Ne,
Most of you says that Okiya Subaru is Akai Shuuichi
but
It may be sounds like a maybe stupid theory of mine.
Please don’t criticize so much in my theory, hehe. I’m nervous.
First Subaru Theory
For me, I suspect that Subaru-san is Vermouth.
Kind of stupid, ne.
Because…
In ep 581, when Jodie-sensei following the Scar Akai and saying that don’t get out. She bump Subaru-san accidentally. Jodie-sensei ignores him then find the Scar Akai. Next scene, Chianti the target, and then Vermouth came. She seems talking to Gin to report something but in the anime it was mute then he asks the authorization of “thatâ€
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first Sabru theory is impossible Becase Vermouth was there in red shirt case along with Gin and Vodka outside while Okia Shobru was inside till case is over.
Scar Akai is Akai theory is bit problmatic as shown by this theory: ( NOT mine) Scar Akai is right handed, not left handed like Akai
Scar Akai used his right hand to fire a handgun, to hold his umbrella and to hand back a cellphone. It is unlikely scar Akai is simply using his right hand because he injured his left. In the "Teito Bank Heist",[40] he easily escaped the duct tape binding his hands, yet probably did not use the same method that Jodie used [41] because there was still duct tape over his mouth.[42] It doesn't make much sense for him to put the duct tape back over his mouth again afterwards. Removing the tape with only one hand, especially if it's his off hand, would be difficult especially if robbers are watching him. (His eyes were covered so scar Akai couldn't be sure that no one was watching until the robbers pretended to be hostages which would give him only a few minutes to escape.) Switching handedness after head trauma does not appear to have been documented in scientific literature.
[edit]Scar Akai's behavior does not make sense if he is Akai
[edit]Scar Akai doesn't appear to have lost his memory
If scar Akai is the real Akai, one must assume he either has his memory or he doesn't have it. If he has his memory, Akai would absolutely not wander around in the open since it puts Hidemi (Kir) at risk with no gains to be made from doing so. The Organization's actions in the "Thirteen Red Shirts" case[43] demonstrate the danger.
If Akai does not have his memory, then it is plausible Akai would walk around in the open without knowing the danger he is in, however scar Akai's actions strongly suggest his memory is still intact. He seems to be stalking the FBI by appearing before them: something he would not do if he had lost all of his memory. Further emphasizing the point, Akai also apparently left a warning message to Jodie on her drink coaster during the events of the thirteen red shirts case. If perhaps scar Akai recognized the FBI a little and felt comfortable enough to leave Jodie a message, it is strange that he would not speak to the FBI agents since Scar Akai is clearly capable of speaking.[44] Scar Akai also appears to recognize Chianti.[45]
These contradictions are resolved if scar Akai is someone else in disguise as Akai and is trying to gauge from the FBI's reactions whether the real Akai is dead or not.
[edit]Scar Akai is faking inability to speak in front of the FBI
Scar Akai has avoided speaking in front of the FBI. Jodie assumed he lost his voice at first, but it was later proven that scar Akai is capable of speaking when he returned a phone.[44] One may assume that Scar Akai became deaf but this does not explain why when Jodie called out to him and grabbed his arm, he didn't react at all. Deafness contradicts with his correct and prompt compliance with the robber's vocal demands at the Teito bank heist and the bomber's demands at the Beika dept store. If scar Akai was deaf, he wouldn't have been able to solve the red shirts case because he wouldn't have been able to read the receipts to see the time of purchase. Even if scar Akai could lip read, if he was deaf he wouldn't have been able to figure out the bank robber's plans and know it was safe to remove his duct tape.
A more reasonable explanation is that Scar Akai is not Akai and avoided speaking because he is unable to imitate Akai's voice.
[edit]Gin's actions suggest that he doesn't think Scar Akai is the real Akai
Since Gin called Kir in the "Thirteen Red Shirts" case,[43] he has held a gun to her head the entire time. After Gin observes scar Akai[46], he gives the order for Chianti to leave, and he lowers the gun from Kir's head.[47] While Gin might not have wanted to shoot someone with an unsilenced gun in front of a busy department store that is filled with police, if he thought that Kir was a traitor who had helped Akai fake his death, Gin would not have lowered his gun since Kir may attempt to retaliate in some fashion now that her cover has been blown. The lowering of the gun is concession on Gin's part that he knows or strongly suspects scar Akai isn't the real Akai.
Burbon I agree but Sera being Akemi is bit... wierd as Firstly Akiemi is older then her ( afterall she was older then Sherry ( haibara) who was probably 18 at the time)
P.S I hope I am not being too harsh but I am only trying to have discussion here. Hope you are not too upset at my responce.
Scar Akai is Akai theory is bit problmatic as shown by this theory: ( NOT mine) Scar Akai is right handed, not left handed like Akai
Scar Akai used his right hand to fire a handgun, to hold his umbrella and to hand back a cellphone. It is unlikely scar Akai is simply using his right hand because he injured his left. In the "Teito Bank Heist",[40] he easily escaped the duct tape binding his hands, yet probably did not use the same method that Jodie used [41] because there was still duct tape over his mouth.[42] It doesn't make much sense for him to put the duct tape back over his mouth again afterwards. Removing the tape with only one hand, especially if it's his off hand, would be difficult especially if robbers are watching him. (His eyes were covered so scar Akai couldn't be sure that no one was watching until the robbers pretended to be hostages which would give him only a few minutes to escape.) Switching handedness after head trauma does not appear to have been documented in scientific literature.
[edit]Scar Akai's behavior does not make sense if he is Akai
[edit]Scar Akai doesn't appear to have lost his memory
If scar Akai is the real Akai, one must assume he either has his memory or he doesn't have it. If he has his memory, Akai would absolutely not wander around in the open since it puts Hidemi (Kir) at risk with no gains to be made from doing so. The Organization's actions in the "Thirteen Red Shirts" case[43] demonstrate the danger.
If Akai does not have his memory, then it is plausible Akai would walk around in the open without knowing the danger he is in, however scar Akai's actions strongly suggest his memory is still intact. He seems to be stalking the FBI by appearing before them: something he would not do if he had lost all of his memory. Further emphasizing the point, Akai also apparently left a warning message to Jodie on her drink coaster during the events of the thirteen red shirts case. If perhaps scar Akai recognized the FBI a little and felt comfortable enough to leave Jodie a message, it is strange that he would not speak to the FBI agents since Scar Akai is clearly capable of speaking.[44] Scar Akai also appears to recognize Chianti.[45]
These contradictions are resolved if scar Akai is someone else in disguise as Akai and is trying to gauge from the FBI's reactions whether the real Akai is dead or not.
[edit]Scar Akai is faking inability to speak in front of the FBI
Scar Akai has avoided speaking in front of the FBI. Jodie assumed he lost his voice at first, but it was later proven that scar Akai is capable of speaking when he returned a phone.[44] One may assume that Scar Akai became deaf but this does not explain why when Jodie called out to him and grabbed his arm, he didn't react at all. Deafness contradicts with his correct and prompt compliance with the robber's vocal demands at the Teito bank heist and the bomber's demands at the Beika dept store. If scar Akai was deaf, he wouldn't have been able to solve the red shirts case because he wouldn't have been able to read the receipts to see the time of purchase. Even if scar Akai could lip read, if he was deaf he wouldn't have been able to figure out the bank robber's plans and know it was safe to remove his duct tape.
A more reasonable explanation is that Scar Akai is not Akai and avoided speaking because he is unable to imitate Akai's voice.
[edit]Gin's actions suggest that he doesn't think Scar Akai is the real Akai
Since Gin called Kir in the "Thirteen Red Shirts" case,[43] he has held a gun to her head the entire time. After Gin observes scar Akai[46], he gives the order for Chianti to leave, and he lowers the gun from Kir's head.[47] While Gin might not have wanted to shoot someone with an unsilenced gun in front of a busy department store that is filled with police, if he thought that Kir was a traitor who had helped Akai fake his death, Gin would not have lowered his gun since Kir may attempt to retaliate in some fashion now that her cover has been blown. The lowering of the gun is concession on Gin's part that he knows or strongly suspects scar Akai isn't the real Akai.
Burbon I agree but Sera being Akemi is bit... wierd as Firstly Akiemi is older then her ( afterall she was older then Sherry ( haibara) who was probably 18 at the time)
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Subaru-san is exactly what he claims to be - A doctorate College Student. Again not great evidence, but I think Asaga would know if he was not.
Scar Akai is Akai. Here I agree, though calling your theory would not be correct. The handiness part does not matter. FBI agents are trained to be able to shot with both hands.
Scar Akai doesn't appear to have lost his memory. Here, I disagree. He is acting like that. He has not said one word, and seems like he does not know his fellow agents. Also to he he acts like he is walking in a daze.
He seems to be stalking the FBI by appearing before them. Really, showing up twice is stacking. And they are at normal places: a bank and a cafe. Leaving a warming message, also means nothing. If you saw a person about to head in to a dangerous area, might you not warm them. Also having a phone does not mean he can talk. He can text instead. Scar was not part of the red shirt but in the background. But the college student was. If you wish later we could later poke holes in your other points as well.
Bourbon as far as I am concerned was a word used to test KIR and the BO is now using her for misinformation.
Subaru-san is exactly what he claims to be - A doctorate College Student. Again not great evidence, but I think Asaga would know if he was not.
Scar Akai is Akai. Here I agree, though calling your theory would not be correct. The handiness part does not matter. FBI agents are trained to be able to shot with both hands.
Scar Akai doesn't appear to have lost his memory. Here, I disagree. He is acting like that. He has not said one word, and seems like he does not know his fellow agents. Also to he he acts like he is walking in a daze.
He seems to be stalking the FBI by appearing before them. Really, showing up twice is stacking. And they are at normal places: a bank and a cafe. Leaving a warming message, also means nothing. If you saw a person about to head in to a dangerous area, might you not warm them. Also having a phone does not mean he can talk. He can text instead. Scar was not part of the red shirt but in the background. But the college student was. If you wish later we could later poke holes in your other points as well.
Bourbon as far as I am concerned was a word used to test KIR and the BO is now using her for misinformation.
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^ burbon being fake theory went out the window since latest case... and spoilers from futher case confirms that Amruo is indeed going to be recuring charecter like Sera... I wounder why?
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know a character who acts friendly is no way going to be bourbon if he exist. Also until I see other wise, All Bo members become known the same case. You do not find it funny that this word is mentioned back in 622 and still no one has stepped up to claim it.
Also beware of getting what you are looking for at the right time. It is likely to be a trap. And It sounds like you have taken the bait, hook line and sinker. I hope I can cut you free before you become sushi.
Also beware of getting what you are looking for at the right time. It is likely to be a trap. And It sounds like you have taken the bait, hook line and sinker. I hope I can cut you free before you become sushi.
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Besides all the points that Okiya is Akai, The problem with the Okiya is Vermouth theory is that the timing is completely impossible. In the space of time between when Okiya stopped Jodie and when Vermouth pulled up on the bike, Vermouth would have to get out of the department store through a crowd that Scar Akai couldn't push through without damaging her mask, find somewhere quiet, change her clothes, get on her motorbike, and talk to Gin. The reverse trip is just as impossible because then Vermouth would have to go back to somewhere quiet, put her disguise back on, push back through the crowd without damaging her disguise, and somehow locate Conan in the entire mess in order to talk to him. It just isn't feasible.
The Scar Akai selection doublemoonlight posted is from the wiki version of the Scar Akai is Bourbon theory (http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki ... _real_Akai).
The problem with Sstimson's theory - that Scar Akai is Akai and doesn't remember to be cautious and his appearances in front of the FBI have been coincidences - is that there are several contradictions.
After Scar Akai gave Jodie the slip in the alley, he followed her (she was RUNNING to the bank so he must have actively pursued to keep up!) and sat down right next to her in the Teito Bank.
Scar Akai can speak and isn't deaf shown by solving the red shirts case (he wouldn't have been able to solve the red shirts case if he was deaf because he wouldn't have been able to read the receipts from where he was standing to see the time of purchase), so why did he not say anything or react at all to Jodie when she grabbed his arm and started talking to him? If some unknown woman grabbed you and started asking if you were some guy, you would probably say something, or at least look at her like WTF? If you didn't remember who you were, you might even try to ask her questions.
There are no indications Scar Akai's left hand was hurt and thus would have to use his right hand. If there was, Gosho would have dropped hints because that's the way Gosho rolls. Scar Akai easily escaped the duct tape binding his hands in a short space of time (When the robbers pretended to be hostages to the bomb explosion), yet did not use the same method that Jodie used because there was still duct tape over his mouth. Both hands were probably needed to do so.
Akai also apparently left a warning message to Jodie on her drink coaster during the events of the thirteen red shirts case. If perhaps scar Akai recognized the FBI a little and felt comfortable enough to leave Jodie a message, it is strange that he would not speak to the FBI agents since Scar Akai is clearly capable of speaking.
Scar Akai also appears to recognize Chianti.
After Gin called Kir in the Thirteen Red Shirts case, he held a gun to her head for the duration of the stakeout. After Gin observes scar Akai, he gives the order for Chianti to leave, and he lowers the gun from Kir's head. While Gin might not have wanted to shoot Kir with an unsilenced gun in front of a busy department store that is filled with police, if he thought that Kir was a traitor who had helped Akai fake his death, Gin would not have lowered his gun since Kir may attempt to retaliate in some fashion now that her cover has been blown. The lowering of the gun is concession on Gin's part that he knows or strongly suspects scar Akai isn't the real Akai.
If Sera is Akemi, that means that Akemi somehow faked her death in Conan's arms. Conan was too close, too experienced in determining the signs of death, and isn't the type that loses his head over a death, so that he wouldn't observe the apparatus needed to fake a gunshot. Also, what would be Gin's motive for helping Akemi fake her death? The most common theory at this point in time is that Sera is Akai's sister, come to look for him.
I agree Amuro is Bourbon, but I also think he is Scar Akai as well.
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I would have put a picture of some poor sot of a trainer who caught a Gyarados, but I couldn't find a good one.
The Scar Akai selection doublemoonlight posted is from the wiki version of the Scar Akai is Bourbon theory (http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki ... _real_Akai).
The problem with Sstimson's theory - that Scar Akai is Akai and doesn't remember to be cautious and his appearances in front of the FBI have been coincidences - is that there are several contradictions.
After Scar Akai gave Jodie the slip in the alley, he followed her (she was RUNNING to the bank so he must have actively pursued to keep up!) and sat down right next to her in the Teito Bank.
Scar Akai can speak and isn't deaf shown by solving the red shirts case (he wouldn't have been able to solve the red shirts case if he was deaf because he wouldn't have been able to read the receipts from where he was standing to see the time of purchase), so why did he not say anything or react at all to Jodie when she grabbed his arm and started talking to him? If some unknown woman grabbed you and started asking if you were some guy, you would probably say something, or at least look at her like WTF? If you didn't remember who you were, you might even try to ask her questions.
There are no indications Scar Akai's left hand was hurt and thus would have to use his right hand. If there was, Gosho would have dropped hints because that's the way Gosho rolls. Scar Akai easily escaped the duct tape binding his hands in a short space of time (When the robbers pretended to be hostages to the bomb explosion), yet did not use the same method that Jodie used because there was still duct tape over his mouth. Both hands were probably needed to do so.
Akai also apparently left a warning message to Jodie on her drink coaster during the events of the thirteen red shirts case. If perhaps scar Akai recognized the FBI a little and felt comfortable enough to leave Jodie a message, it is strange that he would not speak to the FBI agents since Scar Akai is clearly capable of speaking.
Scar Akai also appears to recognize Chianti.
After Gin called Kir in the Thirteen Red Shirts case, he held a gun to her head for the duration of the stakeout. After Gin observes scar Akai, he gives the order for Chianti to leave, and he lowers the gun from Kir's head. While Gin might not have wanted to shoot Kir with an unsilenced gun in front of a busy department store that is filled with police, if he thought that Kir was a traitor who had helped Akai fake his death, Gin would not have lowered his gun since Kir may attempt to retaliate in some fashion now that her cover has been blown. The lowering of the gun is concession on Gin's part that he knows or strongly suspects scar Akai isn't the real Akai.
If Sera is Akemi, that means that Akemi somehow faked her death in Conan's arms. Conan was too close, too experienced in determining the signs of death, and isn't the type that loses his head over a death, so that he wouldn't observe the apparatus needed to fake a gunshot. Also, what would be Gin's motive for helping Akemi fake her death? The most common theory at this point in time is that Sera is Akai's sister, come to look for him.
I agree Amuro is Bourbon, but I also think he is Scar Akai as well.
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If you are right a question. Vermouth delivered a ok to shot. Is Bourbon allowed not to check in with the Boss. Is he so secret that even the Boss does not know what is going on with him?
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@doublemoonlight
Subaru theory… huh(slight depress)
Tskk… even though… I want him to be Vermouth hehe.
Oo… right handed, noted.
Wow, sugoi, I didn’t notice it that Scar Akai didn’t use his mouth to remove the duct tape in his hands. Thanks! ... and to the detectiveconanworld.com
Come to think of it, hehe, if you say Akai is not Scar Akai, hehe, you know when I’m thinking of this theory, I think first the Scar Akai is Calvados, you know maybe he wasn’t dead. And his appearance and body built didn’t see in the anime or manga. And maybe that’s why Scar Akai recognizes Chianti because there are buddies.
Yeah I know the theory of Sera was freaking ridiculous! Hehe.
You’re not harsh. It’s OK. Thank you.
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I got too excited to write because when I see Vermouth disappearing then Bourbon comes. I didn’t see the handedness, gomen.
Ne, what’s 622?
Manga – Witch FD case?
Anime - 255 case?
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Ay! I didn’t expect you post some comments for this thread. (happy!)
Yeah… about the mask, hehe me was too excited to post. Hehe.
You have all point. I’m just excited. Hehe.
I will read some articles and recap episodes to get some information.
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I’m glad no one post like I imagine. Sweat. Thanks.
Subaru theory… huh(slight depress)
Tskk… even though… I want him to be Vermouth hehe.
Oo… right handed, noted.
Wow, sugoi, I didn’t notice it that Scar Akai didn’t use his mouth to remove the duct tape in his hands. Thanks! ... and to the detectiveconanworld.com
Come to think of it, hehe, if you say Akai is not Scar Akai, hehe, you know when I’m thinking of this theory, I think first the Scar Akai is Calvados, you know maybe he wasn’t dead. And his appearance and body built didn’t see in the anime or manga. And maybe that’s why Scar Akai recognizes Chianti because there are buddies.
Yeah I know the theory of Sera was freaking ridiculous! Hehe.
You’re not harsh. It’s OK. Thank you.
@sstimson
I got too excited to write because when I see Vermouth disappearing then Bourbon comes. I didn’t see the handedness, gomen.
Ne, what’s 622?
Manga – Witch FD case?
Anime - 255 case?
@Chekhov MacGuffin
Ay! I didn’t expect you post some comments for this thread. (happy!)
Yeah… about the mask, hehe me was too excited to post. Hehe.
You have all point. I’m just excited. Hehe.
I will read some articles and recap episodes to get some information.
Salute! Sir! Er…Mam!
I’m glad no one post like I imagine. Sweat. Thanks.
Hehe.
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Can you rephrase?sstimson wrote: Vermouth delivered a ok to shot.
The chat between Vermouth and Gin in 704 makes a lot of sense if you think about it as Vermouth telling Gin that Scar Akai is Bourbon in the silent "fanservice panel". Gin then asks if the boss authorized this plan, and Vermouth tells him yes because ano kata is a cautious guy who wants to make doubly sure Akai is dead and Kir is not a traitor.sstimson wrote: Is Bourbon allowed not to check in with the Boss. Is he so secret that even the Boss does not know what is going on with him?
http://dctp.ws/V67-Reader/V67-8Read/A11.html
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I am sure that Vermouth is going to be supporting charecter at best during this Burbon arc since she had her own arc not too long ago... but I am sure she will be back as main or important charecter during final Anokata arc so don't worry.
I am sure that Vermouth is going to be supporting charecter at best during this Burbon arc since she had her own arc not too long ago... but I am sure she will be back as main or important charecter during final Anokata arc so don't worry.
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It funny at times how one can see the same thing and interpret it differently. That panel shows to me Vermouth giving the "You may shot him" order , nice and simple, no hidden message behind it. You see a dark and hidden plot. As I see it you got a problem with that idea. If Bourbon exist, why would Gin need to know about how he is doing things? Bourbon would tell the Boss and only report to him. The Boss being the boss and Gin "not needing to know" would be kept completely in the dark. The message to Gin should have been a simple NO. Either Bourbon is secretive and Gin has no idea what is going to, or Gin knows all and Vermouth message is not needed. I do not see how it could be both. Why would Gin even setup a kill if he know that is Bourbon? You as I see it are trying to have your cake and eat it to.Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:Can you rephrase?sstimson wrote: Vermouth delivered a ok to shot.
The chat between Vermouth and Gin in 704 makes a lot of sense if you think about it as Vermouth telling Gin that Scar Akai is Bourbon in the silent "fanservice panel". Gin then asks if the boss authorized this plan, and Vermouth tells him yes because ano kata is a cautious guy who wants to make doubly sure Akai is dead and Kir is not a traitor.sstimson wrote: Is Bourbon allowed not to check in with the Boss. Is he so secret that even the Boss does not know what is going on with him?
http://dctp.ws/V67-Reader/V67-8Read/A11.htmlSpoiler:
My reasoning why I think your reasoning is wrong.
Gin does think that is Akai, that is clear, but since he knows he can not just shot anybody without the Boss' okay, he waits for that okay. Here it seem that Gin has no idea of what or where Bourbon is. If he had a idea, then this setup would not have happened. And as the Boss knows where bourbon is would for sure make sure their two mission do not cross. After all this really is a question of what does Gin know.
Note his words "Did you get authorization ..." and Vermouth response is "Yeah". Why would Gin ask for authorization for Scar to be Bourbon? That makes no sense. Gin here is asking if he can Shot this person" Vermouth says "yeah" Do I dare ask you what you think Gin is asking authorization for.
note here http://dctp.ws/V67-Reader/V67-7Read/A3.html
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Note even after receiving the message, he does not call off the troops, he waits until the target is gone. Why did he wait until then if you are right?
Also on the same panel Gin comment (IMO for Kir) "he is a secretive one". Does Gin "have any need to know" about Bourbon's mission?
These questions and others to me make your idea here unlikely as I see this part.
I can partly see what you are saying, but those question remain. The main one being the BO is secretive. It would for sure keep one part in the dark about what the other parts are doing. Not doing so would be dangerous. Bourbon's mission is something Gin does not need to know and if the Boss simply said no, Gin would except that as an answer. Why would the Boss tell another part what one part is doing if it does not involve them in any way?
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Re: My Subaru Akai Bourbon Sera Theory
Actually in the Japanese, that is not a "silent fanservice panel" at all. It has "ヒソ　ヒソ" sound effects marks on the far right, which means whispering is going on.Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:[...]silent "fanservice panel". [...]
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Re: My Subaru Akai Bourbon Sera Theory
Guess I better make some annotations. Thanks for the info!Abs. wrote:Actually in the Japanese, that is not a "silent fanservice panel" at all. It has "ヒソ　ヒソ" sound effects marks on the far right, which means whispering is going on.Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:[...]silent "fanservice panel". [...]
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Re: My Subaru Akai Bourbon Sera Theory
*salutes*Chekhov MacGuffin wrote: That would have been nice to have not cleaned out. Guess I better make some annotations. Thanks for the info!
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Re: My Subaru Akai Bourbon Sera Theory
is this interview reveal that amuro is bourbon or part of the black organization?
http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/foru ... ntry235287
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http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/foru ... ntry235287
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Hehe.