FBI, CIA, and Japanse Police Vs BO

[takiko]

why don't the fbi, cia, and japanese police help each other to take the bo down??

[Misztina]

Hm...

Japanese police:
It seems like they don't know about the existence of the Black Organisation. If they do know about it, maybe only small informations, whoch are not enough to take them serious or take any measures against them.
Lets not forget that the Bo is very careful about itself, so they just don't run around saying: "It was our work!!!" as Ai mentioned earlier.

Now that Conan & Kogoro are involved, plus there is the FBI & CIA, one would think they could just cooperate.

But involving the police would be risky, since the informations could easily leak. Who could be trusted in the Japanese police? There might be actual BO members in the police force as well, but of course Vermouth also could disguise herself to gain information from there. The Japanese police at this point is not a good partner for Conan, FBI & CIA. They are not reliable and there is no way that by legal terms they could cooperate.

Of course if only a few members of the police would help them that's a different story. But also a bit risky and not legal.

[dcfan01]

Hm...

Japanese police:
It seems like they don't know about the existence of the Black Organisation. If they do know about it, maybe only small informations, whoch are not enough to take them serious or take any measures against them.
Lets not forget that the Bo is very careful about itself, so they just don't run around saying: "It was our work!!!" as Ai mentioned earlier.

Now that Conan & Kogoro are involved, plus there is the FBI & CIA, one would think they could just cooperate.

But involving the police would be risky, since the informations could easily leak. Who could be trusted in the Japanese police? There might be actual BO members in the police force as well, but of course Vermouth also could disguise herself to gain information from there. The Japanese police at this point is not a good partner for Conan, FBI & CIA. They are not reliable and there is no way that by legal terms they could cooperate.

Of course if only a few members of the police would help them that's a different story. But also a bit risky and not legal.

That's true, but i think that involving the police is the best option, because the BO will not be able to do what they want, they will have to be careful about their acts, and the police may even let mouri (conan/shinichi) be the head of the case, given his past in the force, and his incredible deduction power. And, as the BO is an international Org., and the case is officialy acepted in japan, the FBI and the CIA would be able to officially take care of the situation.

[kirite]

FBI, CIA, and Japanese police...

I think it'll get too political.  It's hard to imagine FBI and CIA "coorporating", not to mention police from a different country.  The thing about secret service is that you're very jealous of your information.  So if they ever work together with other groups I think it'll end up with a situation with people who don't trust each other.

[takiko]

Hm...

Japanese police:
It seems like they don't know about the existence of the Black Organisation. If they do know about it, maybe only small informations, whoch are not enough to take them serious or take any measures against them.
Lets not forget that the Bo is very careful about itself, so they just don't run around saying: "It was our work!!!" as Ai mentioned earlier.

Now that Conan & Kogoro are involved, plus there is the FBI & CIA, one would think they could just cooperate.

But involving the police would be risky, since the informations could easily leak. Who could be trusted in the Japanese police? There might be actual BO members in the police force as well, but of course Vermouth also could disguise herself to gain information from there. The Japanese police at this point is not a good partner for Conan, FBI & CIA. They are not reliable and there is no way that by legal terms they could cooperate.

Of course if only a few members of the police would help them that's a different story. But also a bit risky and not legal.

hahah... i feel sorry for the japanese police...

[Tez]

Legally, what Rena is doing right now with the FBI is illegal. FBI and CIA in even America are not allowed to share information with each other. If the rest of the CIA were to know what she was doing, she'd be in big trouble.

And if the Japanese police knew that either the FBI or the CIA were in Japan without permission, they'd be in even more trouble. They'd be kicked out of Japan and then the BO'd be allowed to do whatever they please.

As many have said before me, there's no legal way for them to do it. But, I would like to see it. That'd be an interesting case. Maybe the police could help out without knowing it. Just a thought though, interesting topic.

[takiko]

that's why they should let the japanese police know... even in the higher-ups only and those who can be trusted...

[rushx5]

Well if what Conan and Shuichi planned was actually a systemic assassination operation that'll take out BO members one by one then Jap police won't have to be involved.

[Kite]

that's why they should let the japanese police know... even in the higher-ups only and those who can be trusted...

The higher-ups can't be trusted any more than the underlings. The more power you have, the more power hungry you'll get. Higher-ups can be bribed, and they will be the first who'll get the suggestion to trade information for money.

If they really would have to involve the police, they should only involve those who they really trust. And even then you can't be completely sure, wackos sure exist out there, who would get a thrill out of it just to make you trust them, after which they'll backstab you good and hard. Having patience for several years just to get that thrill is no big deal to those people. It's a sad fact when you live in the city.

[bash7353]

I don't think FBI and CIA not working together has anything to with it being illegal. It's that the 3 parties just don't trust each other.
FBI and CIA have a good reason not to go to the Japanese police - and it's not 'cause they're not allowed to work in Japan, I think the Japanese police want to take the BO down just as much as the FBI or the CIA - but because it is likely BO operatives are within the Japanese police.

Also, the CIA doesn't care about the law as much as they care about getting the job done, i.e. taking down the BO. It's just that up until now they didn't see any advantage by asking the FBI for help. What they saw was just more people knowing that they're onto the BO.

What I'm asking myself is did the CIA intent to do anything about Kir being in FBI custody without the FBI knowing she's CIA and the BO - also without knowing her true identity - trying to get her back?

[Found]

Legally, what Rena is doing right now with the FBI is illegal. FBI and CIA in even America are not allowed to share information with each other. If the rest of the CIA were to know what she was doing, she'd be in big trouble.

And if the Japanese police knew that either the FBI or the CIA were in Japan without permission, they'd be in even more trouble. They'd be kicked out of Japan and then the BO'd be allowed to do whatever they please.

As many have said before me, there's no legal way for them to do it. But, I would like to see it. That'd be an interesting case. Maybe the police could help out without knowing it. Just a thought though, interesting topic.

this WILL be a major conflict in the ending.. thanks for starting this thread, takiko.

[sstimson]

Two Points:

First If I remember right Under the Title of QUOT " Homeland Security " END QUOT

The FBI, NSA, and the CIA have been put. The theory is pooling information.

Second: As BO is international, It would make more sense to get INTERPOL involved, though they might be already.

Also not sure where Vermount fits any more. It almost seems like she is a double agent.
Another thing is the BO might have a mole in place any of the above.

Later

[ShinRan36]

Hey does the police know something about the BO? I dont think so 

[takiko]

Hey does the police know something about the BO? I dont think so 

i don't think so too... when haibara first first appeared, conan thought that the woman in the money counterfeiting case was one of the bo members... then megure was like "what are you talking about??" to conan...

[Found]

they don't.. when conan found out anokata's number, haibara shot down the idea of asking takagi to trace it.. logical reason follows: if takagi doesn't know, the rest of the police don't.