NBA Playoffs 2012 Thread Round II

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ranger wrote: KG was frustrated from 04-07 when the T'wolves basically didn't give him any help at all, they didn't resign Latree SPreewell
Spree was about to begin the worst year of his career and demanded a ton of money from them for a new deal, thus the notorious "I have a family to feed" line was born. I don't blame them for not deciding to give him anything after that piss poor 04-05 season.
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CarpetCrawler wrote: Philadelphia sports fan are notoriously classless, they even take pride in it. They'd boo Santa Claus (and have, for the record).

I feel for Steve Blake. Idiot Laker fans are tearing him to shreds on the internet when the real culprit was some piss-poor possessions down the stretch where the blame falls directly on Kobe. Besides, Blake had a great, wide-open look. Artest would have been crazy not to give him the ball.
lakers fans live to slurp kobe and blame every problem the team has on the non-kobe players, nothing new there.
Oh, of course. It's just fun to point it out and watch their heads spin as they try to talk their way out of it.
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Personally I think Blake made the wrong call. Even if it was wide open, the chance of missing is still too high to risk it in my opinion - not to mention they were only down by 1 point. A pump fake on Westbrook and a drive for the layup would have almost guaranteed a basket or a foul in that scenario.

But yeah, it wasn't just him - those last few minutes Kobe played were inexcusable.
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Steve Blake hit those shots against Denver. Any time you're open you shoot it!

Update:

West
Spurs up 1-0 vs Clippers
Thunder up 2-0 vs Lakers

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Celtics up 2-1 vs 76ers
Series Tied 1-1 Heat vs Pacers
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Games Later

Mia vs Indiana 7:00 PM EST GAME 3
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Comments from Philly fans earlier

I really hate Hawes. I really hate him.

Worst player ever, only player I’ve ever wished injury on


Anybody hoping for an injury?      I know that was mean. The situation is similar with Chicago game. Why Celts had starters in make no sense

Anyone else want to strangle Marquis Daniels? I really am getting sick of his pulling the air down thing


Please kill Hawes somebody

Guys... I wanna stab eyes out. It’s such a pathetic excuse of effort out there.

http://www.celticslife.com/2012/05/comm ... ame-3.html

You guys have a point what a classless fans right there, I actually rooted for PhiladelphiaIverson76ers for some years though when Celtics was shit(Still rooting they got lottos back then though, and win some games) but AI was all heart!
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you can find people saying moronic things anywhere on the internet, i wouldn't make too much out of that.

philly sports fans are drunken louts in reality though, no doubt about that.
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Almost every team cheers for injuries during the playoffs, unless the injured player is some legendary nice guy HoFer, which Rose and Noah have yet to prove.

Don't lie to yourself, every opposing stadium would cheer if Kobe went down in a playoff series.  I just like 76ers now that they have Doug Collins.  Also Iggy is a great player and is really down to earth.

Also, I see no harm in Blake shooting it.  People wouldn't be complaining if he made the shot..it was a perfect opportunity.  I'd like it if the Lakers can win at least some games so the Spurs can get some time off after their sweep :P
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ranger wrote: Almost every team cheers for injuries during the playoffs, unless the injured player is some legendary nice guy HoFer, which Rose and Noah have yet to prove.

Don't lie to yourself, every opposing stadium would cheer if Kobe went down in a playoff series.  I just like 76ers now that they have Doug Collins.  Also Iggy is a great player and is really down to earth.
I do not think like that these guys are people too, the worst thing I did was wanting players to take longer time to heal injuries, but I never cheered someone going down. I know most of people are like that too. At least most of people I know.

Garden has some of the nicest fans I guess? I watched once on BTV(Equivallent of NBA TV at Philippines) Michael Cooper(A Laker) got applauded when he was being carried away. I think that was Finals too.
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Beastly wrote: Steve Blake hit those shots against Denver. Any time you're open you shoot it!
True for most of regulation, but in the final seconds when the game is on the line, you're probably better off taking the shot you know you can hit
ranger wrote: Almost every team cheers for injuries during the playoffs
Categorically untrue, and, anyone who does is just as classless - playoffs or no playoffs. The only time I could ever see any team cheering for an injury is maybe when a super-douche like World Peace gets owned a la karma. Also, I'd say Rose is a shoe in for the future HOF barring any unforeseen injuries or freak accidents, as well as a stand-up guy.


Two good games tonight - anyone going to make any predictions? I'm thinking the Heat will win, even though I'm rooting for the Pacers and that the Spurs will win, even though I'm rooting for the Clippers.
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Blake can hit the shot, his offensive repetoir does include the 3 pointer.  Stop blaming it on Steve Blake, he's a roleplayer that did his job - take open 3 pnt shots.  It just didn't fall down, shit happens.

If anyone's to blame  it's Kobe for 2 key turnovers that cost them the game.

I don't like calling people potential HoFers when a player has so much more in his career to either solidify or deminish a HoF status.  To be honest, a lot of people thought T-Mac could have potentially became a HoF, even with Steve Francis.  A couple years back, same with Dwight Howard.  I'm sure alot of you guys will be ridicule me for that now, but anything can change.  If Dwight continues to be where he is and how he acts, no way he's going to be in the HoF.

The only current players in the NBA who I believe are 100% guaranteed to get into the HoF is Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, Lebron James, Kobe Bryant, and Tim Duncan.  Arguments can be made for Ray Allen, Kevin Garnett, Dirk Nowitzki, Manu Ginobili, and Grant Hill.

You might call me a homer on this, but the reason I put Manu on there is, despite all-star and championships, he's going to get acclaim for being the MVP on the ONLY TEAM in history, to beat the American Olympic team post-Dream Team era and win the gold.

If you think about it, that's crazy..the only other team to win Golds besides the US was the Soviet Union..and, well, they don't exist anymore. A team led by Ginobili and some Argentine nobodies at the time beat the best players in the NBA.

also, screw KG, biggest asshole in the NBA.  Period.
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M.Holmes wrote: Personally I think Blake made the wrong call.
You'd have to be certified insane to not take that shot when you have a look like that to the basket.
Even if it was wide open, the chance of missing is still too high to risk it in my opinion - not to mention they were only down by 1 point.
That doesn't matter. If you find an opening, you take it. And 10 times out of 10, players are going to take that exact same shot that Steve Blake took.
ranger wrote: Blake can hit the shot, his offensive repetoir does include the 3 pointer.  Stop blaming it on Steve Blake, he's a roleplayer that did his job - take open 3 pnt shots.  It just didn't fall down, shit happens.
This.
If anyone's to blame  it's Kobe for 2 key turnovers that cost them the game.
And this.
I don't like calling people potential HoFers when a player has so much more in his career to either solidify or deminish a HoF status.  To be honest, a lot of people thought T-Mac could have potentially became a HoF, even with Steve Francis.  A couple years back, same with Dwight Howard.  I'm sure alot of you guys will be ridicule me for that now, but anything can change.  If Dwight continues to be where he is and how he acts, no way he's going to be in the HoF.
I can definitely see a case being made for T-Mac, even if I don't agree with it.
The only current players in the NBA who I believe are 100% guaranteed to get into the HoF is Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, Lebron James, Kobe Bryant, and Tim Duncan.  Arguments can be made for Ray Allen, Kevin Garnett, Dirk Nowitzki, Manu Ginobili, and Grant Hill.
Your 100% guarantees are correct. Allen, Garnett, and Dirk are also 100% guarantees to be in. Allen is the career leader in threes made and has a ring, and is also an incredibly clutch player. Garnett is one of the best all-time rebounders in the league and has a ring. Dirk has an MVP and a ring. Manu and Hill are guys you can make arguments for, but I see Manu more than Hill. Hill had about 2-3 dominant years before he got hurt. He's a guaranteed hall of famer if he doesn't get hurt and continues the great level of play for a few more years. He's borderline now. Maybe if you put his time in Duke into consideration...? Manu though, I can definitely see him in there, and I don't think there's anyone out there who would disagree with the selection.
also, screw KG, biggest asshole in the NBA.  Period.
KG had the "calling players things like a cancer patient" reputation even before the Charlie Villanueva scandal broke out. It just wasn't brought up because it was never of that magnitude, and no one would say anything. I think using tactics like cheap trash talk like that really tarnishes a player in my eyes, no matter how great of a winner they are. Same reason why I can respect Jordan as a player, but not as a person (slapping Steve Kerr in practice? Grow up, you baby. And don't even get me started on that Hall of Fame speech).

In general I hate players who do stuff like name-calling and being physical with their own teammates. Journalists call it "intensity", I call it "I'm in reality a crybaby douche."

Also, ranger is correct. Fans, especially ones in certain cities, have been known to cheer when opposing players go down in a game. You'll find situations where in games with heated rivals that fans will applaud a player being carted off out of respect for the player and for the team (Coop was respected by most all fans as one of the best defenders in the league in the 80's), but when the contact is made? They'll cheer in approval too. Like the time Robert Parish beat the crap out of Bill Laimbeer, or when Julius Erving landed a few blows on Bird.
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ranger wrote: Blake can hit the shot, his offensive repetoir does include the 3 pointer.  Stop blaming it on Steve Blake, he's a roleplayer that did his job - take open 3 pnt shots.  It just didn't fall down, shit happens.

If anyone's to blame  it's Kobe for 2 key turnovers that cost them the game.

I don't like calling people potential HoFers when a player has so much more in his career to either solidify or deminish a HoF status.  To be honest, a lot of people thought T-Mac could have potentially became a HoF, even with Steve Francis.  A couple years back, same with Dwight Howard.  I'm sure alot of you guys will be ridicule me for that now, but anything can change.  If Dwight continues to be where he is and how he acts, no way he's going to be in the HoF.

The only current players in the NBA who I believe are 100% guaranteed to get into the HoF is Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, Lebron James, Kobe Bryant, and Tim Duncan.  Arguments can be made for Ray Allen, Kevin Garnett, Dirk Nowitzki, Manu Ginobili, and Grant Hill.

You might call me a homer on this, but the reason I put Manu on there is, despite all-star and championships, he's going to get acclaim for being the MVP on the ONLY TEAM in history, to beat the American Olympic team post-Dream Team era and win the gold.

If you think about it, that's crazy..the only other team to win Golds besides the US was the Soviet Union..and, well, they don't exist anymore. A team led by Ginobili and some Argentine nobodies at the time beat the best players in the NBA.

also, screw KG, biggest asshole in the NBA.  Period.
I want to be objective but, come on, nobodies? That's too harsh. The most important players of that team are very respected in Europe and earned quite a reputation, which let some of them play in the NBA, with different outcomes, I must say.

One fact: The only players that won in a same season the NBA championship and the gold medal in the Olympics were Jordan, Pippen and Ginobili.

BTW: Pacers won by 19.
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get hype! just as i suspected all along, the weak link is wade, not bosh.
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CarpetCrawler wrote: That doesn't matter. If you find an opening, you take it. And 10 times out of 10, players are going to take that exact same shot that Steve Blake took.
Agree to disagree. That's not a shot that Tony Parker or Chris Paul (good point guards) would have took with the game on the line. Good players give up good looks to get better looks all the time, especially in crunch time. It wasn't just his shot that was wide open, it was his entire lane. Westbrook jumped about 10 feet out of bounds, 3 dribbles and he would have been looking at about a 12 foot jumper as opposed to a 22 foot shot AKA much better odds.  Again, not solely blaming Blake, the entire team is accountable for those last 5 minutes.

I figured Miami would come back and be more aggressive after that last loss. If they don't perform Sunday then I guess it's going to be another year for LeBron with no ring. Also props to the Clippers for hanging in against SAS at home.
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dude Holmes, you can't compare Steve Blake to TP and CP3 - TP and CP3 aren't really known for their 3-pnt range.  Blake on the otherhand, is.  That's like, his entire offensive arsenal.  Plus, he made clutch ass shots in the Denver series.  He was WIDE OPEN.  HE MAKES those shots.  There was no better option at that time, Kobe was tangled up, and Artest HAD to pass to Blake, who was open due to Westbrick's carelessness.

Like I said, Kobe lost that game.  

Also, liek I said, the Spurs series will be a sweep.
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