Mystery Woman in File 745: Shiho Miyano?

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Mystery Woman in the London Arc: Shiho Miyano?

Yes, we get to know more about her dark family history.
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Yes, she's here to visit her home town to catch up with friends and refresh old memories.
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Yes, Shinichi will meet her in adult form for the first time and Ran will think she's his girlfriend and maybe he will finally fall in love with Haibara!
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If that woman is Shiho, then she's only here to give Conan the antidote to go back home. period.
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What are you talking about? That woman is not Shiho! Haibara is staying at Ayumi's.
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Haibara is in Beika, figuring out Okiya Subaru's true identity.
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Mystery Woman is Elena Miyano.
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Mystery Woman is Vermouth
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Mystery Woman is Yukiko
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She's Hestia, the bomber from the serial killer's past
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Dus wrote: So Gosho just wanted an excuse to turn Conan/Shinichi into an utter moron?

I'm not saying she should go to London for a wild goose chase.
A) She just happens to be there and learns something about Elena by chance
or B) The tapes her mother left her contained some information that would tell Ai where to search.
A) sounds.... strange. You know, because she is being pursued she can't just go to London for fun.
B) Sounds more reasonable. But we don't know it D: But better reason than A) in case she happens to pop up in London and find something out ;D

Well, Gosho likes Holmes, so giving his main characters a love story in London is just what he wants to do.

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Akemi~chan wrote: ok you people make no stinking sense at all. if elana and atsushi ARE DEAD!!! HOW CAN THEY BE IN LONDON?!?
Again, not sure what exactly was said in DC (damn you nomemory :P) But I think it was said that Elena disappeared and not that she was dead for sure.
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Kleene Onigiri wrote: But I think it was said that Elena disappeared and not that she was dead for sure.
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Ai and Pisco both said the parents died in an accident. There is more to this accident than is said however for reasons I go over briefly in the spoiler box below.

Copypasta from the Elena and Atsushi Miyano section of the my facts and speculations document...
Spoiler: Info and Speculation on Atsushi and Elena Miyano, not spoilers just lots of text

Info and Speculation on Atsushi and Elena Miyano

Info and Speculation on Atsushi and Elena Miyano
Atsushi Miyano was a researcher and apparently Ai’s father. Elena Miyano was British and apparently Ai’s mother.(424) According to the anime translation (345), they started the APTX research according to Vermouth. One or both of them worked on the project before Shiho took over.
Both of them died for some reason which Pisco called an accident while Shiho was young. Haibara talks about her father and a little about the accident in chapter 384. It doesn’t seem likely the accident was actually an accident because Elena took the time to leave tapes for Shiho. The act of leaving the tapes indicates that Elena knew something would happen or she was about to do something that she might not survive. A situation where death is known to be likely doesn’t seem like it should be called an “accident”. It might be that the real cause of Miyano’s deaths may be secret even from some of the upper level executives like Pisco who was of equal rank to Gin. Are the parents even dead?

Atsushi was a “mad scientist” who was unpopular because his work and theories were not mainstream. Agasa was a distant acquaintance of Atsushi. Elena was known as “hell’s angel” for some unknown reason. It might be because of her apparently nice personality which set her apart from the darkness of the rest of the organization. Elena is probably the foreign half of Ai’s background. She wears glasses and has long hair. Atsushi Miyano’s appearance is unknown.

Atsushi Miyano moved out of the house from the tape case (423-425) thirty years ago to go somewhere for his research. (This is probably related to the org.) He got married in this time period and then visited once later with Elena when Akemi was 4-5 years old. The visit most likely occurred about 20 years prior to the current timeline.

Elena left four tapes for Haibara. (425 and 427) They are numbered 1-20 with the numbers split into groups of five. The numbers correspond to a message left by Elena for Haibara's same-numbered birthday; Conan listened to the beginning of the #11-15 tape and Elena’s recording was for 11-year-old Shiho. (File 425 p. 17). Conan mentioned that he moved to the 11 through 15 one because there were so many blank ones. I suppose the blank ones were some the earlier tapes (1-5 and 6-10) corresponding to when Ai was young. I wonder why they were blank?
I would like to note that in number 18, Elena talks about if Shiho will regret what she is about to do. My guess is that refers to Shiho taking over the drug research or returning to the org from her studies abroad. I wonder how Elena would have known Ai was taking over the research at that particular age?
Something Elena said about herself at the part of the third tape meant for Ai’s 18th birthday surprised Ai, but we couldn’t hear what it was due to a scene switch. (You are old enough to hear this … I am really…) Two ideas which take into account the information is something that you wouldn't tell someone until they were older and more mature: one was that she was telling Shiho that either Atsushi or Elena was still alive, and another is that one (or both) of her parents wasn't her real parent. (Her original parent(s) was someone significant) The reason I always thought it might have had something to do with the parents was Vermouth's smile when Agasa mentions what they might uncover about them. (Volume 41 chap 10)

Elena seemed to be somewhat close to Akemi. For instance, Akemi was taken with Atsushi and Elena to the Miyano's old home. It was also Akemi who got the tapes for Shiho from Elena.

Vermouth said the following at one point: “If you [Shiho] want to blame someone, blame your parents who took over this foolish research.” (434) However it is translated differently by the more reliable DCTP in the anime as "Don't hate me, hate your foolish parents for starting this experiment”. (ep 345)
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I actually had the idea that there's a chance Haibara's mom might still be alive and is hiding in London. But as for the black haired lady, the most sensible thing is for it to be Yukiko in disguise. I mentioned in a another thread that I doubt Haibara can appear in the UK, even in adult form. Where the hell would she get her passport from? But I certainly hope we'll find out something about her.

Also...I kind of agree that the love story in London is kind of pointless, but it is nice to see some new scenery.
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Ah, thanks Chekhov :x Strange, I thought I read that they disappeared instead of died D:
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ELENA Is Alive!!!!!!!

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I hope is option 1

btw, if she were Elena, why would she be watchng Shinichi and Ran?
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I picked Elena =]]
That'd be awesome if she's alive lol.
Maybe that's what she said to Ai in the tapes, too.
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Cider wrote: I picked Elena =]]
That'd be awesome if she's alive lol.
Maybe that's what she said to Ai in the tapes, too.
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Abs. wrote:
Cider wrote: I picked Elena =]]
That'd be awesome if she's alive lol.
Maybe that's what she said to Ai in the tapes, too.
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we have to wait till gosho aoyama tells us who is she ? ;D

anyway , I think aoyama will make it something really different as usual  :)
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i really want to know who it is x3 "my first thought was: is it just some weird woman or maybe it is Vermouth, or his mother.. who the hell is it?"
i can't wait for the answer x3
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i keep my word i think its shiho.

Many ppl here need more fantasy xD
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inlovekm wrote: i keep my word i think its shiho.

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Kleene Onigiri wrote:
inlovekm wrote: i keep my word i think its shiho.

Many ppl here need more fantasy xD
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I don't think that the woman is Shiho.  That person is probably not a woman at all, just Eisuke in disguise.  He smiles at the end because now that Shinichi and Ran are fighting, he can take Ran away from Shinichi.  This case is sour because Shinichi loses Ran to Eisuke, but sweet because Shinichi realizes that Shiho is way better than Ran. ;D 
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