Mafia Round 19: Shake Up Christmas

[Vylash]

I We did try the nice route first....

That's just cruel

Also... <3

[PT]

I We did try the nice route first....

Shhhhhhhh, no we didn't. You're confused. We would never threaten to kill someone if they didn't help us.

*discombobu-frightens DT so he forgets all about this*

I We did try the nice route first....

Indeed. Didn't seem to work though.

However, I we definitely did not threaten her. At all. Ever.

[Yurikochan]

Favorite part of the game: How the BO threatened Carter3 to help them kill. I say, new rule say the criminal can't alliance with BO. Also, liked the part where I killed Kleene. Still not sure if it's okay to joke about.

But with all seriousness. If Kleene was alive, I think the town could have won. Cause they'd have an extra vote.

Buuuuuut if you didn't read the APTX rule wrong we would have had six....instead of three and how awesome was my calling out of both PT as Vermouth and CTU as Agasa?

And also I thanked Carter very nicely and let her know of her win. So it wasn't threatening.

[Schillok]

Favorite part of the game: How the BO threatened Carter3 to help them kill. I say, new rule say the criminal can't alliance with BO. Also, liked the part where I killed Kleene. Still not sure if it's okay to joke about.

Why shouldn't they form an alliance? They both have the same goal so once they figure out each other of course they should work together. (Beside, this is only true for the Bomber. Okuda might have been after a BO and Natsuki wins with the town.)
As long as the influence of the Bomber is considered during deciding the number of BOs it should be fine. (Maybe this game could also have worked with one less BO... yeah, it means we would probably have lost but 8 BO + 1 town-killing criminal is pretty dangerous for the town.)

And finally... mistakes happen. You are not the first GM forgetting some kind of protection on a townie.

But with all seriousness. If Kleene was alive, I think the town could have won. Cause they'd have an extra vote.

It isn't that easy to say. The game ended with a 2 VS 2. Even if Kleene would still be in the game it would just be 3 VS 2 then - lynching a BO and the BO retaliating during the night would have made it 2 VS 1 and we pretty much knew about breva being Kogoro and Edo being Eri already. So it would have ended 1 VS 1, a close outcome, but still a win for the BO.
Yes, the game would have taken a very different turn anyway, but just as likely it might have not changed the outcome at all.

[Schillok]

Forgot to say: I was the one suggesting to threaten Carter.
Just to make sure that he had no other choice but working with us. It was in his best interest anyway, I just wanted another argument to make sure he realizes that before the phase change.

And of course there was the chance that we might have been wrong. If he was a real townie we had to make sure that he had no chance to talk himself out of it.

[PT]

It was only a very slight chance we were wrong though, all things considered. And between when I PMed her giving her the details of our little... plot and when she PMed me back agreeing to it, I was incredibly paranoid that I was missing something and she wasn't actually the bomber.

[pofa]

Well, given Kleene's will, we knew we weren't wrong though. Because it couldn't be Akonyl, since he was discombob'd on a night when the criminal killed, and I'd proved conia's healing ability. So it had to be Carter.

[Akonyl]

It isn't that easy to say. The game ended with a 2 VS 2. Even if Kleene would still be in the game it would just be 3 VS 2 then - lynching a BO and the BO retaliating during the night would have made it 2 VS 1 and we pretty much knew about breva being Kogoro and Edo being Eri already. So it would have ended 1 VS 1, a close outcome, but still a win for the BO.
Yes, the game would have taken a very different turn anyway, but just as likely it might have not changed the outcome at all.

while not a definite, if kleene was alive I probably wouldn't have told edo to switch from cross-examining kain to examining breva, and asked kleene to interrogate breva, which would point out kain's innocence and we may have lynched paix instead. Dunno if kleene would trust me on telling her to interrogate breva, though

[Carter3]

It was only a very slight chance we were wrong though, all things considered. And between when I PMed her giving her the details of our little... plot and when she PMed me back agreeing to it, I was incredibly paranoid that I was missing something and she wasn't actually the bomber.

wait so when you Pmed me, you weren't completely positive on me being the bomber? wow what a gamble
but honestly since the beginning i was hoping a BO would contact me, so we could work together, the only problem was, i didn't know who was BO, and i wasn't planning on asking people that, b/c i know that wouldn't of helped

but i just find it funny that, you guys thought you had to threaten me to help you!! all you had to do was ask!

[KangarooGirl]

It was only a very slight chance we were wrong though, all things considered. And between when I PMed her giving her the details of our little... plot and when she PMed me back agreeing to it, I was incredibly paranoid that I was missing something and she wasn't actually the bomber.

wait so when you Pmed me, you weren't completely positive on me being the bomber? wow what a gamble
but honestly since the beginning i was hoping a BO would contact me, so we could work together, the only problem was, i didn't know who was BO, and i wasn't planning on asking people that, b/c i know that wouldn't of helped

but i just find it funny that, you guys thought you had to threaten me to help you!! all you had to do was ask!

*pouts* You didn't reply to my PM. I was working up to it.

[PT]

Nope, we were pretty certain you were the bomber for the same reasons I gave you, but there was still a chance we were somehow wrong (as that seemed to be the recurring theme this round), so I was a little worried. Which is why I left certain details out before you confirmed yourself as the bomber.

Anyway, we weren't sure you'd work with us unless we made it seem like you really had no choice.

[Conia]

I also wanted to mention how both Conia and Edo believed Okuda was in the game after Ako-chan mentioned that he arrested the criminal!!!!!

That's entirely not the case
I knew Carter was the criminal, but xpon told me you were criminal too, way back at Night 2...

I just lied to xpon about my gender. Well you were right about there being two BO left.

I pmmed Carter asking her to not let you know anything important. So I have to give her a hug for that. ^^

She did gave me info after all

[pofa]

Carter. We should've taken our shot with that a night earlier; we could have killed another townie besides Kleene. (:-\ )

[Detective Tommy]

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[Detective Tommy]

It isn't that easy to say. The game ended with a 2 VS 2. Even if Kleene would still be in the game it would just be 3 VS 2 then - lynching a BO and the BO retaliating during the night would have made it 2 VS 1 and we pretty much knew about breva being Kogoro and Edo being Eri already. So it would have ended 1 VS 1, a close outcome, but still a win for the BO.
Yes, the game would have taken a very different turn anyway, but just as likely it might have not changed the outcome at all.

If Kleene was alive, people might have chose their actions differently. And they could've found Paix earlier.