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[ProfParanoia]

@El Huesudo II: You make it sound as if Conan started to not tell her stuff in the first place. But it was actually Haibara that didn't do that first. So if Haibara isn't a team player and can't be trusted, well

The team of illegal FBI agents that came up with a plan of "punch out one of our own because women drivers"?

[Kor]

@El Huesudo II: You make it sound as if Conan started to not tell her stuff in the first place. But it was actually Haibara that didn't do that first. So if Haibara isn't a team player and can't be trusted, well

I've already explained why this is not the same thing. Conan doesn't tell Haibara his plans in which Haibara is essentially part of. With Haibara, she doesn't put him at risk by not telling him everything she knows (pretty sure she doesn't tell him BECAUSE she doesn't want to put him at risk.

Plus, Conan didn't tell Haibara his plan in episode 345 and we all know what came out of that.

[El Huesudo II]

Plus, Conan didn't tell Haibara his plan in episode 345 and we all know what came out of that.

If you mean Ran being totally and absolutely badass, then yes, I do know what came out of that.

[Kor]

Plus, Conan didn't tell Haibara his plan in episode 345 and we all know what came out of that.

If you mean Ran being totally and absolutely badass, then yes, I do know what came out of that.

That's not what I meant.

[El Huesudo II]

Plus, Conan didn't tell Haibara his plan in episode 345 and we all know what came out of that.

If you mean Ran being totally and absolutely badass, then yes, I do know what came out of that.

That's not what I meant.

Yes, yes, I know. I was making a joke. Geez, chill, man.

Haibara pretty much "ruined the plan" by taking a cab right to where Vermouth expected her to go, and was almost killed for it (except that Ran was BADASS AS ALL HELL). The whole thing did come with its little rewards (That Man's phone address), but Conan was lucky that Vermouth's more interested in keeping her beloved Cool Guy and Angel safe than in the prosperity of the BO; otherwise they'd have been killed right then and there, no questions asked. (Dude, imagine if it had been Gin instead of Vermouth. Yep.)

And in that case, I agree more with Haibara than with Conan. Conan's plan was totally ridiculous, and leaving Haibara out of it was even more ridiculous, too. Yes, she would have told Conan to forget about it and stay hidden, and that was actually the only safe and sane course of action.

[Cider]

I immediately vote for Gin. He is just fun to watch. He's just in love with his job and he's a fantastic example of the largely 2d villian who you still adore because they are just that awesome. I'd almost go as far as to say he's the perfect example of how to write a compelling villian without being too complex.

^I second this!

[Kleene Onigiri]

@El Huesudo II: You make it sound as if Conan started to not tell her stuff in the first place. But it was actually Haibara that didn't do that first. So if Haibara isn't a team player and can't be trusted, well

I've already explained why this is not the same thing. Conan doesn't tell Haibara his plans in which Haibara is essentially part of. With Haibara, she doesn't put him at risk by not telling him everything she knows (pretty sure she doesn't tell him BECAUSE she doesn't want to put him at risk.

Plus, Conan didn't tell Haibara his plan in episode 345 and we all know what came out of that.

Then you didn't understand what I was pointing out :V
Haibara first didn't tell Conan everything, after that, Conan didn't tell Haibara his plans.

At first, Haibara didn't know how much she can trust Conan with the info, and if she would survive long enough anyway. Because telling Conan more info, would bring him in more danger than he was at the beginning.
Now Conan is already deep into the BO trouble, knows a lot of stuff already that he figured out on his own and Haibara still doesn't tell him much "because she wants to protect him". Sure, maybe at the beginning, but now?

Same for Conan at the beginning. Could he trust Haibara enough with his plans? She was in the BO and didn't reveal much and she also tended to go into a suicidal rush too. So to protect her, he didn't tell her about the plans at the beginning.
Later on, he still doesn't, because they both know each other better now too.

They both don't listen to each others "orders". Haibara told Conan in the London Case not to eat the Anti-APTX for any other reasons than to fly home, did he listen? :x
In the train Conan told haibara and co. not to leave the cabin at all, did Haibara listen? :x
And the case where Conan was sick and Haibara was together with the DBs and they encountered that boy where the criminals pretended to be his parents. Haibara also didn't listen to Conan to call the police :x

So, both keep secrets from each other in order to protect the other party, while both don't listen to the others "orders". So now, both are as faulty

[blackprimrose]

I think having Conan and Haibara hiding stuff from each other is just Gosho's way of unnecessarily prolonging the series and leeching off the fans.

And I think Conan got waaaay too lucky in many of his encounters with the BO - Vermouth has a soft spot for him, Gin either got too wrapped up in his own ego (the Itakura case) or his own lust (Pisco case) . The BO boss also has a knack for sending the wrong agents - just imagine if it was Gin that was in charge of the Mystery Train case - all the characters would be dead. Well maybe that was the reason Gosho didn't do it - he wouldn't have anyone left

[secretbeauty101]

I think having Conan and Haibara hiding stuff from each other is just Gosho's way of unnecessarily prolonging the series and leeching off the fans.

And I think Conan got waaaay too lucky in many of his encounters with the BO - Vermouth has a soft spot for him, Gin either got too wrapped up in his own ego (the Itakura case) or his own lust (Pisco case) . The BO boss also has a knack for sending the wrong agents - just imagine if it was Gin that was in charge of the Mystery Train case - all the characters would be dead. Well maybe that was the reason Gosho didn't do it - he wouldn't have anyone left

I, agree with this comment 100% its exactly what I've been trying to say for so long. Just shows how Gosho wouldn't have been able to get away with that file if Gin was in charge. They are just reasons for Gosho to prolong the manga, as soon as we have a new breakthrough in the plot, the story is then dragged through 100s of cases filled with story fillers and police romance stories, first sato and tagaki and now chiba and his childhood friend. Everyone needs to get paired in Detective Conan or else the story won't end. And now the fans are demanding a Sato and Takagi wedding, what's next Shiratori and Conan's teacher's wedding and then Chiba and his childhood friend's wedding, and so on. And then the last main pairing to sum all the other pairings up will be Ran and Shinichi to conclude the plot.

[El Huesudo II]

I think having Conan and Haibara hiding stuff from each other is just Gosho's way of unnecessarily prolonging the series and leeching off the fans.

And I think Conan got waaaay too lucky in many of his encounters with the BO - Vermouth has a soft spot for him, Gin either got too wrapped up in his own ego (the Itakura case) or his own lust (Pisco case) . The BO boss also has a knack for sending the wrong agents - just imagine if it was Gin that was in charge of the Mystery Train case - all the characters would be dead. Well maybe that was the reason Gosho didn't do it - he wouldn't have anyone left

I, agree with this comment 100% its exactly what I've been trying to say for so long. Just shows how Gosho wouldn't have been able to get away with that file if Gin was in charge. They are just reasons for Gosho to prolong the manga, as soon as we have a new breakthrough in the plot, the story is then dragged through 100s of cases filled with story fillers and police romance stories, first sato and tagaki and now chiba and his childhood friend. Everyone needs to get paired in Detective Conan or else the story won't end. And now the fans are demanding a Sato and Takagi wedding, what's next Shiratori and Conan's teacher's wedding and then Chiba and his childhood friend's wedding, and so on. And then the last main pairing to sum all the other pairings up will be Ran and Shinichi to conclude the plot.

Don't forget Haibara and Mitsuhiko. (Face it people, AiCon is never gonna happen. *ducks and braces for impact*)

[AICHAN]

I think having Conan and Haibara hiding stuff from each other is just Gosho's way of unnecessarily prolonging the series and leeching off the fans.

And I think Conan got waaaay too lucky in many of his encounters with the BO - Vermouth has a soft spot for him, Gin either got too wrapped up in his own ego (the Itakura case) or his own lust (Pisco case) . The BO boss also has a knack for sending the wrong agents - just imagine if it was Gin that was in charge of the Mystery Train case - all the characters would be dead. Well maybe that was the reason Gosho didn't do it - he wouldn't have anyone left

I, agree with this comment 100% its exactly what I've been trying to say for so long. Just shows how Gosho wouldn't have been able to get away with that file if Gin was in charge. They are just reasons for Gosho to prolong the manga, as soon as we have a new breakthrough in the plot, the story is then dragged through 100s of cases filled with story fillers and police romance stories, first sato and tagaki and now chiba and his childhood friend. Everyone needs to get paired in Detective Conan or else the story won't end. And now the fans are demanding a Sato and Takagi wedding, what's next Shiratori and Conan's teacher's wedding and then Chiba and his childhood friend's wedding, and so on. And then the last main pairing to sum all the other pairings up will be Ran and Shinichi to conclude the plot.

Don't forget Haibara and Mitsuhiko. (Face it people, AiCon is never gonna happen. *ducks and braces for impact*)

Come on,Haibara is not that desperate.

[ProfParanoia]

Don't forget Haibara and Mitsuhiko. (Face it people, AiCon is never gonna happen. *ducks and braces for impact*)

Come on,Haibara is not that desperate.

I don't want this thread to be Ai shipping discussion buuuuut...
No, she's just desperate enough to date a man because his race is similar or because he was with her sister and wiretapped her house for no actual reason.

[El Huesudo II]

Well, as far as I recall, Haibara was kind of looking for a partner (especially if said partner was Shinichi) and Mitsuhiko is head over heels for her (and she knows it).

Just give it time. And no, no amount of time in the world is enough for AiCon to happen. Just no. To me they're more like Olivia and Elliot (see: Law and Order SVU), but less sappy and more tsun (on both sides).

[pofa]

Vodka alllllll the way.

[ProfParanoia]

Well, as far as I recall, Haibara was kind of looking for a partner (especially if said partner was Shinichi) and Mitsuhiko is head over heels for her (and she knows it).

Just give it time.

No, it is and will always be squidgy and immoral of her, I don't care if you know about some parents that were 9 years apart, that will never be the same thing as this.