If Conan, Heiji, Kaito Kid fought with B.O. will they win?

[TheBlind]

sherlock holmes destroyed Moriarty gang in one shot......so why can't conan do the same?

Apples to Oranges. The Moriarty gang was mostly located in England and the Era Holmes takes place makes it believable for the whole gang to be apprehended. The B.O. is made up of wealthy individuals and government officials who live in an era where you can travel the globe easily. They can all disperse to Countries that would have no obligation to turn them in. Then there's the assumption that the B.O. boss would be foolish enough to keep a database on each member when that could not be the case. He could be an intelligent individual who has the list in his brain or just 1 list always in his keeping.

I never dislike fair criticism. The fall of the B.O. could be domino-like; although those other Syndicate chapters might not fall, enough information like their existence in other countries along with important names is compromised so that the police/intelligence agencies in other countries can begin a purge. The wave of anti-crime effort spreads out from Japan to the rest of the globe like kudzu eats forests. The emphasis is on Shinichi catalyzing the change and the rest of the world following in his charge against the evil syndicate rather than people taking over from there.
Another way could be that unable to exist in their present form without the boss holding keeping them it line, the various global B.O. factions might dissolve and begin infighting which is a fairly common thing when a gang/mafia leader dies without clear succession. This would work if the loyalty of the other chapters depends on the receiving the final product of the research that will likely experience a major or permanent setback with the destruction of Japan's chapter and its data. (I seems likely to me that after Haibara finishes the antidote, she is going to erase all the data on the experiments.) That would effectively kill the Organization as well.

I understand your concept but it all relies on(again, this is me question every ending that has the B.O. completely defeated..even the ones I have posted, not just you) a magical list. In order for Countries to purge, they would have to know what they are looking for and like I said, chances of a memo with all the members being posted at the cafeteria is low. The only two ways where I can any ending playing out where the B.O. could actually be dismantled would be if,one, their Boss betrays them(a cheesy ending where Conan makes him see the light) and discloses everything to officials about his "company". Two, Haibara's tapes actually have relevance to the B.O. and contain a hidden(not up to date) list of every member left to Haibara for leverage.  Short of that, I think Gosho can only provide a "we defeated the boss and made Countries aware of the B.O. threat but he/they are still out there...." open ending(which would kind of suck).

Or maybe Shinichi can go travelling his newlywed wife Ran engaging in mafia-busting tourism.

Or maybe Shinichi can roam the globe with his new partner, Haibara, engaging in mafia-busting tourism while his newlywed wife Ran remains in Japan.

[Kor]

sherlock holmes destroyed Moriarty gang in one shot......so why can't conan do the same?

Apples to Oranges. The Moriarty gang was mostly located in England and the Era Holmes takes place makes it believable for the whole gang to be apprehended. The B.O. is made up of wealthy individuals and government officials who live in an era where you can travel the globe easily. They can all disperse to Countries that would have no obligation to turn them in. Then there's the assumption that the B.O. boss would be foolish enough to keep a database on each member when that could not be the case. He could be an intelligent individual who has the list in his brain or just 1 list always in his keeping.

I never dislike fair criticism. The fall of the B.O. could be domino-like; although those other Syndicate chapters might not fall, enough information like their existence in other countries along with important names is compromised so that the police/intelligence agencies in other countries can begin a purge. The wave of anti-crime effort spreads out from Japan to the rest of the globe like kudzu eats forests. The emphasis is on Shinichi catalyzing the change and the rest of the world following in his charge against the evil syndicate rather than people taking over from there.
Another way could be that unable to exist in their present form without the boss holding keeping them it line, the various global B.O. factions might dissolve and begin infighting which is a fairly common thing when a gang/mafia leader dies without clear succession. This would work if the loyalty of the other chapters depends on the receiving the final product of the research that will likely experience a major or permanent setback with the destruction of Japan's chapter and its data. (I seems likely to me that after Haibara finishes the antidote, she is going to erase all the data on the experiments.) That would effectively kill the Organization as well.

I understand your concept but it all relies on(again, this is me question every ending that has the B.O. completely defeated..even the ones I have posted, not just you) a magical list. In order for Countries to purge, they would have to know what they are looking for and like I said, chances of a memo with all the members being posted at the cafeteria is low. The only two ways where I can any ending playing out where the B.O. could actually be dismantled would be if,one, their Boss betrays them(a cheesy ending where Conan makes him see the light) and discloses everything to officials about his "company". Two, Haibara's tapes actually have relevance to the B.O. and contain a hidden(not up to date) list of every member left to Haibara for leverage.  Short of that, I think Gosho can only provide a "we defeated the boss and made Countries aware of the B.O. threat but he/they are still out there...." open ending(which would kind of suck).

Or maybe Shinichi can go travelling his newlywed wife Ran engaging in mafia-busting tourism.

Or maybe Shinichi can roam the globe with his new partner, Haibara, engaging in mafia-busting tourism while his newlywed wife Ran remains in Japan.

That's the first problem I have with DC, there is no way for a satisfying good ending regarding the B.O. If the B.O. is defeated, it will be either a cheesy ending or as you said, an ending in which they defeat the B.O. off screen.
I think the series started bright, continued bright (except episode 345) and will end bright. There is this badass organization, yet everything is bright all the time. I'd really want this series to start to take a much darker turn when things will actually start to become dangerous for Conan and his friends. I wouldn't mind if it'd take even more time to finish it.
I'd be really satisfied with a dark ending when some of Conan's friends will really die or even Conan dies and the organization continues to exists, but the odds of that are...low...

how about stopping with all the random cases and make something that puts Conan's usual life in danger and he has to start and do things differently from now on? I mean, wouldn't it be much more thrilling if everyone started to be in danger and Conan had to tell some of them his secret?

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

how about stopping with all the random cases and make something that puts Conan's usual life in danger and he has to start and do things differently from now on? I mean, wouldn't it be much more thrilling if everyone started to be in danger and Conan had to tell some of them his secret?

It would be more thrilling, but it would be a risky turn of events from the point of view of the author. I assume Gosho is going to continue to write DC for a while longer at least. The problem with your idea is that is closes options - once you do something you can't undo it.  By closing too many options it becomes very, very easy to write oneself into a corner - which results in a clumsy deux ex machina to save or a weak ending. Specifically, by upping the danger, you will begin to run into problems as long as the manga continues on for a while; the heightened level of danger won't seem real, and the readers will think the org is weak and "overrated" because it has been holding onto all the cards and still hasn't managed to do anything with them. The readers won't easily accept a downgrading of the "threat level" either. Doing something like this without a clear vision of how to continue indefinitely or gracefully end can easily back you into a wall.

Superhero comic books are a great demonstration of why options should be kept open. Retcons are common because the authors had inadvertently forced the story one way, but then later when they had a vision of a new direction to take the story, they were unable to because they effectively pigeon holed themselves. Retcons would probably be fatal for a manga like DC which relies on continuity and accumulated hints. Conan's identity is one of the biggest cards he has and one that Gosho has not given out lightly. The only characters who know it are the ones who keep it to themselves and won't do anything about it, maintaining the status quo.

Gosho has been very careful not to write into corners which has allowed him to continue coming up with great ideas for a decade plus. The clues he has given which are pertinent to the overarching mysteries of what the purpose of the org is and the boss's identity are vague and can easily be written to fit many different potential endings. Basically Gosho has left himself multiple backdoors, a good thing, to escape should he feel that he is suffocating himself. If you are planning to write for years, giving yourself room to move even if you have the ending in mind is an excellent thing; you never know when you will come up with something even better that you simply have to implement. I really admire how well Gosho has managed to keep the plot moving without shutting out options. It is difficult to do well.

[The Stray]

I think the this might end something like this, Conan somehow takes down the BO in Japan and becomes Kudo again, but his serect becomes publicly know, and at that point the author of DC will start a new series where the other member of the BO try reclaim Japan, and start by trying to kill or recrite Kudo, with him solve serveral murder mysteries along and try to found a way to take down the BO for good.

[CoolKid3]

I'd be really satisfied with a dark ending when some of Conan's friends will really die or even Conan dies and the organization continues to exists, but the odds of that are...low...

Few sacrifices would be epic... For some reasons, I kinda like the idea that one, two or more DC characters would end up dead... This kind of ending would really be an unforgettable one...
I'm really hoping that the DC ending would surpass the shock that I had when I saw the Code Geass R2 ending - Zero Requiem...

[mizumi]

I'd be really satisfied with a dark ending when some of Conan's friends will really die or even Conan dies and the organization continues to exists, but the odds of that are...low...

Few sacrifices would be epic... For some reasons, I kinda like the idea that one, two or more DC characters would end up dead... This kind of ending would really be an unforgettable one...
I'm really hoping that the DC ending would surpass the shock that I had when I saw the Code Geass R2 ending - Zero Requiem...

Noooo I don't want anyone die even BO members
Probably Gin and his gang all go to jail. 
I really, really hope no one die... b/c I don't want to see Conan failing to protect someone
Probably BO's going to reveal their objective, probably going to turn out to be something that deserve pity, everyone come to an understanding at the end.  But probably Conan still capture all of them for their crime. 
 

[Aluecard]

my munny is that Heiji or  kaito  kid  well one of them wood die  for saveing kudo will stop them thus wining =P

[Kor]

It would be more thrilling, but it would be a risky turn of events from the point of view of the author. I assume Gosho is going to continue to write DC for a while longer at least. The problem with your idea is that is closes options - once you do something you can't undo it.  By closing too many options it becomes very, very easy to write oneself into a corner - which results in a clumsy deux ex machina to save or a weak ending. Specifically, by upping the danger, you will begin to run into problems as long as the manga continues on for a while; the heightened level of danger won't seem real, and the readers will think the org is weak and "overrated" because it has been holding onto all the cards and still hasn't managed to do anything with them. The readers won't easily accept a downgrading of the "threat level" either. Doing something like this without a clear vision of how to continue indefinitely or gracefully end can easily back you into a wall.

He already made the B.O. weaker to my opinion. CIA agent, Akai, and obvious disorder between the members. I think that even in a bigger threat level, the manga can continue for a couple of years. Is it really that hard to make a really really long arc? Conan's urge to solve cases on the way even though he shouldn't because someone might be watching him...

Superhero comic books are a great demonstration of why options should be kept open. Retcons are common because the authors had inadvertently forced the story one way, but then later when they had a vision of a new direction to take the story, they were unable to because they effectively pigeon holed themselves. Retcons would probably be fatal for a manga like DC which relies on continuity and accumulated hints. Conan's identity is one of the biggest cards he has and one that Gosho has not given out lightly. The only characters who know it are the ones who keep it to themselves and won't do anything about it, maintaining the status quo.

Didn't they kill superman and later brought him back to life? (I can get very bored and read about a lot of things in wiki...)

Gosho has been very careful not to write into corners which has allowed him to continue coming up with great ideas for a decade plus. The clues he has given which are pertinent to the overarching mysteries of what the purpose of the org is and the boss's identity are vague and can easily be written to fit many different potential endings. Basically Gosho has left himself multiple backdoors, a good thing, to escape should he feel that he is suffocating himself. If you are planning to write for years, giving yourself room to move even if you have the ending in mind is an excellent thing; you never know when you will come up with something even better that you simply have to implement. I really admire how well Gosho has managed to keep the plot moving without shutting out options. It is difficult to do well.

But still, I can't appriciate the too bright atmosphere that Conan has daily while knowing that whatever he's doing may put his friends in danger. Haibara was added in order to show that, but I seriously hope that Conan will stop being so arrogant and see the real risk at hand (and as it seems, the only way to do that is if one of Conan's friends will die)

I'd be really satisfied with a dark ending when some of Conan's friends will really die or even Conan dies and the organization continues to exists, but the odds of that are...low...

Few sacrifices would be epic... For some reasons, I kinda like the idea that one, two or more DC characters would end up dead... This kind of ending would really be an unforgettable one...
I'm really hoping that the DC ending would surpass the shock that I had when I saw the Code Geass R2 ending - Zero Requiem...

Noooo I don't want anyone die even BO members
Probably Gin and his gang all go to jail. 
I really, really hope no one die... b/c I don't want to see Conan failing to protect someone
Probably BO's going to reveal their objective, probably going to turn out to be something that deserve pity, everyone come to an understanding at the end.  But probably Conan still capture all of them for their crime. 
 

If Conan can protect everyone...he's no different than a superhero, something that he isn't. Through several occasions in the series Conan has been saying "as a detective, I can't let you kill other people." or "as a detective I can't let you commit suicide..." and to me it is ultimate crap. Does Conan think that detective=superman? Did his father feed him with too much mysteries when he was young and eventually led him to believe that a detective is the protector of humanity? Conan should be put in a situation in which he sees that he actually can't protect everybody. If Gosho meant that to happen after killing Akemi then...it did nothing at all. Conan was sad for one page and then later he became like his former self. If one of his closes friends die then it'll put some sense into him.

[Mizzicco]

I'd be really satisfied with a dark ending when some of Conan's friends will really die or even Conan dies and the organization continues to exists, but the odds of that are...low...
Few sacrifices would be epic... For some reasons, I kinda like the idea that one, two or more DC characters would end up dead... This kind of ending would really be an unforgettable one...
I'm really hoping that the DC ending would surpass the shock that I had when I saw the Code Geass R2 ending - Zero Requiem...

Noooo I don't want anyone die Cry even BO members Tongue
Probably Gin and his gang all go to jail.
I really, really hope no one die... b/c I don't want to see Conan failing to protect someone Sad
Probably BO's going to reveal their objective, probably going to turn out to be something that deserve pity, everyone come to an understanding at the end.  But probably Conan still capture all of them for their crime.

If Conan can protect everyone...he's no different than a superhero, something that he isn't. Through several occasions in the series Conan has been saying "as a detective, I can't let you kill other people." or "as a detective I can't let you commit suicide..." and to me it is ultimate crap. Does Conan think that detective=superman? Did his father feed him with too much mysteries when he was young and eventually led him to believe that a detective is the protector of humanity? Conan should be put in a situation in which he sees that he actually can't protect everybody. If Gosho meant that to happen after killing Akemi then...it did nothing at all. Conan was sad for one page and then later he became like his former self. If one of his closes friends die then it'll put some sense into him.

What I think Conan meant by "I won't let you kill anyone", or "I won't let you commit suicide" is that i won't let you kill because it's against the law (of course) and I won't let you commit suicide is normally when someone killed another person then wants to escape prison or whatever. He feels that no one should commit a crime, and if they did, he wants them to atone for their crime and get punished.

[Kor]

I'd be really satisfied with a dark ending when some of Conan's friends will really die or even Conan dies and the organization continues to exists, but the odds of that are...low...
Few sacrifices would be epic... For some reasons, I kinda like the idea that one, two or more DC characters would end up dead... This kind of ending would really be an unforgettable one...
I'm really hoping that the DC ending would surpass the shock that I had when I saw the Code Geass R2 ending - Zero Requiem...

Noooo I don't want anyone die Cry even BO members Tongue
Probably Gin and his gang all go to jail.
I really, really hope no one die... b/c I don't want to see Conan failing to protect someone Sad
Probably BO's going to reveal their objective, probably going to turn out to be something that deserve pity, everyone come to an understanding at the end.  But probably Conan still capture all of them for their crime.

If Conan can protect everyone...he's no different than a superhero, something that he isn't. Through several occasions in the series Conan has been saying "as a detective, I can't let you kill other people." or "as a detective I can't let you commit suicide..." and to me it is ultimate crap. Does Conan think that detective=superman? Did his father feed him with too much mysteries when he was young and eventually led him to believe that a detective is the protector of humanity? Conan should be put in a situation in which he sees that he actually can't protect everybody. If Gosho meant that to happen after killing Akemi then...it did nothing at all. Conan was sad for one page and then later he became like his former self. If one of his closes friends die then it'll put some sense into him.

What I think Conan meant by "I won't let you kill anyone", or "I won't let you commit suicide" is that i won't let you kill because it's against the law (of course) and I won't let you commit suicide is normally when someone killed another person then wants to escape prison or whatever. He feels that no one should commit a crime, and if they did, he wants them to atone for their crime and get punished.

Well yeah, obviously. But the way Conan says it makes it annoying. AND he isn't even a police officer. He can't take the law to his own hands and do what the police should do.

[Mizzicco]

I'd be really satisfied with a dark ending when some of Conan's friends will really die or even Conan dies and the organization continues to exists, but the odds of that are...low...
Few sacrifices would be epic... For some reasons, I kinda like the idea that one, two or more DC characters would end up dead... This kind of ending would really be an unforgettable one...
I'm really hoping that the DC ending would surpass the shock that I had when I saw the Code Geass R2 ending - Zero Requiem...

Noooo I don't want anyone die Cry even BO members Tongue
Probably Gin and his gang all go to jail.
I really, really hope no one die... b/c I don't want to see Conan failing to protect someone Sad
Probably BO's going to reveal their objective, probably going to turn out to be something that deserve pity, everyone come to an understanding at the end.  But probably Conan still capture all of them for their crime.

If Conan can protect everyone...he's no different than a superhero, something that he isn't. Through several occasions in the series Conan has been saying "as a detective, I can't let you kill other people." or "as a detective I can't let you commit suicide..." and to me it is ultimate crap. Does Conan think that detective=superman? Did his father feed him with too much mysteries when he was young and eventually led him to believe that a detective is the protector of humanity? Conan should be put in a situation in which he sees that he actually can't protect everybody. If Gosho meant that to happen after killing Akemi then...it did nothing at all. Conan was sad for one page and then later he became like his former self. If one of his closes friends die then it'll put some sense into him.

What I think Conan meant by "I won't let you kill anyone", or "I won't let you commit suicide" is that i won't let you kill because it's against the law (of course) and I won't let you commit suicide is normally when someone killed another person then wants to escape prison or whatever. He feels that no one should commit a crime, and if they did, he wants them to atone for their crime and get punished.

Well yeah, obviously. But the way Conan says it makes it annoying. AND he isn't even a police officer. He can't take the law to his own hands and do what the police should do.

Apparently he thinks he is, or that he won't be questioned about his actions because hes Kudo Shinichi. He probably forgot that he got shrunk

[mizumi]

If Conan can protect everyone...he's no different than a superhero, something that he isn't. Through several occasions in the series Conan has been saying "as a detective, I can't let you kill other people." or "as a detective I can't let you commit suicide..." and to me it is ultimate crap. Does Conan think that detective=superman? Did his father feed him with too much mysteries when he was young and eventually led him to believe that a detective is the protector of humanity? Conan should be put in a situation in which he sees that he actually can't protect everybody. If Gosho meant that to happen after killing Akemi then...it did nothing at all. Conan was sad for one page and then later he became like his former self. If one of his closes friends die then it'll put some sense into him.

I think he should grow up in that sense too like he shouldnt consider himself a murderer when he fail to stop someone from committing suicide or crime.  its his weakness but that's why I really like conan it's his character, he's immature, but I don't think it will ever change, because that character make him a very good detective, a very good person in nature (imo that is ) it also make the story more exciting cause he's constantly put in danger and I always worried about conan >< anyway, I think he's a little annoying in that sense but its not bad thing to always trying his very best to stop crime we need "superhero" character like this... what make him different from other superhero is he doesn't even want his enemy to die... mostly because he want them to be punished but also because it doesn't feel right for him to let they die

[mangaluva]

If they're going to defeat the BO, it's going to be a slow chip-away thing. Defeat a few small-time members, luck into some info about larger members, start catching a few of them until you find some bigger info... It's not going to happen in one blow.
Even if they get the boss, it's not going to get all of them. Some chancer'll step into the big spot. You'd need to take out him and all of his important associates at once, then try to get some lesser members... however it happens, it's not happening fast.

[TheBlind]

Well, it was his fault that she commited suicide. Would you like him to say, "Well, I don't care. This bitch deserved it."?
That would have been immature just like the series Death Note. He kills people who are already in prison and he doesn't even know if they are really bad people.

I don't see it that way as Conan had no part in her suicide. Conan did what a detective is suppose to do and solved the case with the expectancy that she would surrender herself but that obviously did not happen. In the end, she choose to kill herself to atone for her crimes(she was a really good person) but Shinichi having a huge ego made it about him. In "Shinichi land", he not only should of solved the case but also have a sixth sense of what the culprit would do when his crimes have been revealed. So the message of that case is a 50/50 for me, as it's the case where Shinichi is suppose to stop seeing cases as a game/puzzle but he also shows reinforces the notion that Shinichi thinks he's superman.

[Abs.]

Thing is, in DC-land committing suicide is also a crime/a big no-no, as it is still the act of taking someone's life.  It is also a way to escape from punishment/a mistaken way of trying to atone for wrongdoing (this is from the mouths of the characters).  Bad all around.  So basically it's the same as with any other crime: If Shinichi (or anyone else, whether it be Shizuka or Takagi, etc.) can prevent it from happening, he (or they) will.

I don't see it as Shinichi thinks he's Superman, but that he takes a lot of responsibility for what happens around him.

See it as a "with great power comes great responsibility" thing if you wish.