Black Org boss new theory (Frankenstein theory)

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sstimson wrote: Maybe I right and Akemi faked her death, and is now living peaceful with her parents overseas. You are also suggesting that Hairaba's Parents faked their death. With all this death faking, I am begining to wonder about those murder cases that get solved, were they faked too? Is this a case of Disney death of overload, Like Snow White or Sleeping Beauty?
*my guess- Akemi's death
gin kill Akemi, dogmatic behavior(boss no command)
gin unaware- atsushi Family relationships.
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According to FBI, BO propose to Akemi that she rob a bank, they will kill her and Haibara if she fail. That order is imply that they want to kill her from the start. Impossible that the boss don't know the whole thing. (It should have been he order it)

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I doubt that. it's romanji. I tend to think Gosho pun it will be in japanses character. In Japanese it separate as  Na na- tsu-no ko. Not Na-n-atsu- no ko


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my guess, Vermouth(Elena) Fake action(Trickery), she tried to Conceal her identity.
Vermouth take a lot of effort to hunt down Haibara. She don't tell Gin or anyone what she doing. If she try to make people think she not relate to Haibara she will need to make her move openly to BO side. When she actually try to make a move on Haibara (try to pick her up at Agasa house) Gin don't witness that. One who going to believe Vermouth try to kill her is the good guy side. And if she don't want to kill Haibara. What she going to do if Ran didn't show up and Jodie don't attack her.
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Great deduction but I have to agree with Conan 48:69.
We have to wait for Gosho
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Maybe Akemi isn't the real daughter, but adopted instead? Haibara and akemi don't resemble each other much either.
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And Akemi never show her half-breed trait even she half Japanese-British
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Kleene Onigiri wrote: Maybe Akemi isn't the real daughter, but adopted instead? Haibara and akemi don't resemble each other much either.
Here is the answer. perhaps... 
Elena tape. "I am really…"???
User 4869 wrote: According to FBI, BO propose to Akemi that she rob a bank, they will kill her and Haibara if she fail. That order is imply that they want to kill her from the start. Impossible that the boss don't know the whole thing. (It should have been he order it)
According to FBI...?
James's statement? chapter? I'm really curious.
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Probably Vol. 58 not sure about chapter but maybe 599 Akai's past.
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User 4869 wrote: According to FBI, BO propose to Akemi that she rob a bank, they will kill her and Haibara if she fail. That order is imply that they want to kill her from the start. Impossible that the boss don't know the whole thing. (It should have been he order it)
I can tell you for a fact that did not happen.

What did happen follows:

Akemi is tired of the Bo watch her and controlling her all the time. She wants out of the BO. Her feeling make their way to Gin. Gin, not the Boss offers her a way out. Akemi likely says something like" I want my sister out to". Gin agrees. After all he sees this as a way to get rid of a possible problem. Akemi does the Bank job, and Gin double crosses her, Killing her in the process.

Hairaba is said several time to be an important part of the BO. She is not going to get released from them. Gin acted by himself. I do not think the Boss would do anything that might cause a major problem. Killing Akemi caused Hairaba to defect. I believe The Boss would have found a way to make Akemi happier. Please look at the arc where Akemi is killed and also look at the Arc of introducing Hairaba.
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I feel it's story evolving. At first Haibara say she create the drug. Now her parent do. In 129. It's like first Akemi get involve to get Haibara out, but in second (Clash) Bo involve her in the bank rob because they want to kill her. The story is somehow conflict. But as the second fact come later I tend to believe it more. The story Jodie tell Conan is probably told by Akemi in the message (we don't see that part, Akemi just ask Akai to date her at the end, not count the PS)
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I think it is pretty clear. Haibara developed the current drug by taking over her her parents' research. They started it and she was about to hit the finish-line with the drug, I think caling it "her drug" is not a lie, nor an exagration.

About Akemi, she believed that she can get away from the organisation and she wanted to protect Shiho and get her out from the BO too. She wants to find a way out, Gin & co. naturally realize her plan, so they offer her the job of the bank robbery. Since Akemi wanted to leave the organisation, at that second she was doomed. Bo does not tolerate traitors, so they wanted to get rid of her  so they said: "Hey, we let you go, if you pull this off." Unfortunately she was too naive, so she went to rob the bank.
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Excellent theory, i like it.

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inlovekm wrote: Excellent theory, i like it.

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boss identity and Frankenstein theory most well-known fact in Korea.
There is a controversy on this subject in Korea. but, a great many people supported.
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casualvgm wrote:
Kleene Onigiri wrote: Maybe Akemi isn't the real daughter, but adopted instead? Haibara and akemi don't resemble each other much either.
Here is the answer. perhaps... 
Elena tape. "I am really…"???
I agree with you. Ai and akemi do not resemble each other and if it is true i really admire Akemi for risking her life in order to save Ai....  :)
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This is the best theory i have ever read.
I dont know why there are very few comments in a great theory like this one.
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