Identity of Sera's middle brother (Spoilers)

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Re: Identity of Sera's middle brother (Spoilers)

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AICHAN wrote:I just hope Gosho won't disappoint us again...I mean I hope this girl should at least be a victim of APTX,so that the story can move on.if it's just some normal girl related to Sera I would be mad at Gosho.
She must be; otherwise Sera would not show her cellphone with her to Conan. Unless she wanted to tell Conan: "YES, even I have a friend! Though, it is just a small child." ;)
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Re: Identity of Sera's middle brother (Spoilers)

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User 4869 wrote:Why Sera didn't know what her brother is doing. Just my opinion ofcause
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Oh yeah, I see for about "not knowing what the middle bro is doing". But when did their father died? Because when they (Shuikichi and Yumi) were at school, Shuikichi had already the surname Haneda. So, how could it be that he changed his surname so quickly still being a high/middle-schooler (by two times, I guess)? It's a bit strange for someone being that young to change his surname twice. (Usually it takes some time for getting your surname changed and it costs) The more, when Shuikichi was at school, Sera was probably very young. She should thus probably know that his brother changed his surname (if Shuikichi is the middle bro, of course)
the middle brother changed his surname to Sera when he started high school. That's why his classmate called him Sera-kun in the red woman case. After he graduated he changed his surname to -|-|-|-(which I believe is Haneda) and went to college, where he met yumi, so he didn't change his surname directly like u thought!!!
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Re: Identity of Sera's middle brother (Spoilers)

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MeiTanteixX wrote:
Detective Doroshi wrote:
User 4869 wrote:Why Sera didn't know what her brother is doing. Just my opinion ofcause
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Oh yeah, I see for about "not knowing what the middle bro is doing". But when did their father died? Because when they (Shuikichi and Yumi) were at school, Shuikichi had already the surname Haneda. So, how could it be that he changed his surname so quickly still being a high/middle-schooler (by two times, I guess)? It's a bit strange for someone being that young to change his surname twice. (Usually it takes some time for getting your surname changed and it costs) The more, when Shuikichi was at school, Sera was probably very young. She should thus probably know that his brother changed his surname (if Shuikichi is the middle bro, of course)
the middle brother changed his surname to Sera when he started high school. That's why his classmate called him Sera-kun in the red woman case. After he graduated he changed his surname to -|-|-|-(which I believe is Haneda) and went to college, where he met yumi, so he didn't change his surname directly like u thought!!!
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Re: Identity of Sera's middle brother (Spoilers)

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Aslinn wrote:Well, even if Shuukichi seems like to be the only one who can be the middle brother, there's nothing in file 899 which prove it... And i have to say that i am glad about it. I don't like the idea of this guy being a part of the Akai family... >:( So, I agree with Nemomon. Maybe someone else speak to Shuukichi about Conan.

By the way, am I the only one who think that Shuukichi reeeeally look like Eisuke in the last chapter? Did anyone think about this theory?
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i already had a theory about their simillar look right here:
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A possible relation, since gosho himself said that some people and cases actually linked with each other
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Aslinn wrote:@soul_dreamer : It's true that Conan should have notice it, but, I have the impression that he keeps more and more often a pokerface lately.

About the similarities between eisuke and shuukichi, it's the eyes and, during the file 899, his expressions that make me wonder. Plus the fact that the unknown child really intrigues me.

When I first saw him/her, I immediately thought he is the middle brother. But this impression is based on the french translation of volume 18, so it can be false due to an incorrect translation... I explain : during this volume, haibara said that might be the black organisation know that Kudo has shrunk of/by (sorry i don't know what to use here) 10 years. I read the scan to see how this sentence had been translated in english and found any mention of this. But since Shiho seems to have also shrunk of 10 years, can we think that Aptx 4869 rejuvenate of almost 10 years or just to a young age? (is it clear? I'm not sure... -_-""")

I don't want to say that this child is absolutly the middle bro, it can be totally someone else. But, right now, i can't think of him/her as sera's mother. This child is about 10-12 years old and the mother, at least, 49 years old => 29 ( approx. shuichi's age) + 20 = 49
So, how the mother can shrunk of 35-40 years? :s

And for the dress : Shuichi wore high collar even when he was alone... So i don't think that's a real proof that the child is a girl.
what if Sera's mom ate two Apotoxin pills? Then the shrinking effect might double to 20 yrs. xD in this case, since she might be around 49, she must have eaten at least 3 pills to shrink 30 yrs IF the effect is accurate! :P
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Btw, didn't it hit anyone how adult-like the mystery girl was acting when ordering Sera to tell conan she is her sister outside the domain, if he asked? Almost like the mother figure?

We all know that the possibility of her shrinking is high, so the only female adult that shares the same eyes as Sera is her own mom!!!! It's almost completely obvious!! The question is how the neglecting hints can be explained in this case(like the apotoxin effect, if it follows a strict shrinking rule), just like why eisuke and mizunashi's blood type didn't fit!!!
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I guess there are some similarities between Eisuke's and Shuukichi's eyes, though IMO they don't look exactly the same. However, if Eisuke's and Hidemi's mum is the sister of Akai's mum what it would bring to the plot, besides explaining how Akai got hold of information about Ethan Hondou. Will we get more CIA? Or maybe we will get some background story about FBI and CIA.

If Eisuke's and Shuukichi's mums are sisters and also Shuukichi's the middle brother; it could be interesting as we would get more CIA and I wouldn't mind to see Eisuke again, of course, if there would be a reason for him to come to Japan. However, I still wonder what Shuukichi role would be as a middle brother?

Edit: Well I guess, there's a possibility for Akai's to take 2-3 pills, but if that the case and we assume that someone from the BO gave her the pills; why would they give her 2-3 pills? To make sure she's really dead? Or did she took by herself these pills, which I doubt that. I think it's most likely the the mother took only one pill and it shrank her to 12-15 years old. APTX 4869 shrank peoople to their child age, right? So I guess, if the mystery child is the Akai's mum, then it could be explained why she's few years older than Conan and Ai as she was much older than those two, when she took the pill.

Regardless, if this child is the mother or the middle-brother, I would be satisfied, because in both cases, it would be interesting.
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soul_dreamer wrote:I guess there are some similarities between Eisuke's and Shuukichi's eyes, though IMO they don't look exactly the same. However, if Eisuke's and Hidemi's mum is the sister of Akai's mum what it would bring to the plot, besides explaining how Akai got hold of information about Ethan Hondou. Will we get more CIA? Or maybe we will get some background story about FBI and CIA.

If Eisuke's and Shuukichi's mums are sisters and also Shuukichi's the middle brother; it could be interesting as we would get more CIA and I wouldn't mind to see Eisuke again, of course, if there would be a reason for him to come to Japan. However, I still wonder what Shuukichi role would be as a middle brother?
not the mother being siblings, but Akai's father and eisuke's mother!! The possibility of them sharing the same eye is almost 100% if shuukichi is the middle brother! !! (Since it's told that middle brother looks like the father and Gosho portrays similarity through eyes!!!)
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Sorry, I had in my mind what Gosho said in his interview about two mothers being sisters. However, it would mean that there are two mothers, who are sisters plus Akai's father and Eisuke's mother, who are siblings. Does it mean that everyone is related to each other?
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soul_dreamer wrote:Sorry, I had in my mind what Gosho said in his interview about two mothers being sisters. However, it would mean that there are two mothers, who are sisters plus Akai's father and Eisuke's mother, who are siblings. Does it mean that everyone is related to each other?
naa, these were just some notable possibilities that were more likely than anything else ^^

EDIT: the two mother's are likely yukiko and chikage! That Gosho even bothered to mention such important info must because it's not important at all!! Something unrelated to the plot, like kaitou kid and Kudo shinichi being cousins
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naa, these were just some notable possibilities that were more likely than anything else ^^

EDIT: the two mother's are likely yukiko and chikage! That Gosho even bothered to mention such important info must because it's not important at all!! Something unrelated to the plot, like kaitou kid and Kudo shinichi being cousins
Great, it would be soooo interesting for them to be sisters. Come on Chikage didn't even appear in Detective Conan, did she? So what she would suddenly appear in DC with Kaito to visit Yukiko and Conan would be also there during the visit and then there would be the scene, where Yukiko or someone says to Kaito that he looks a lot like Shinichi. Or Yukiko would just tell that she has the sister and that she's Chikage.
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soul_dreamer wrote:
naa, these were just some notable possibilities that were more likely than anything else ^^

EDIT: the two mother's are likely yukiko and chikage! That Gosho even bothered to mention such important info must because it's not important at all!! Something unrelated to the plot, like kaitou kid and Kudo shinichi being cousins
Great, it would be soooo interesting for them to be sisters. Come on Chikage didn't even appear in Detective Conan, did she? So what she would suddenly appear in DC with Kaito to visit Yukiko and Conan would be also there during the visit and then there would be the scene, where Yukiko or someone says to Kaito that he looks a lot like Shinichi. Or Yukiko would just tell that she has the sister and that she's Chikage.
chikage appeared in the DC series, but only as The phantom Lady!!!
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It would be soooo funny if the akai and the honda are related. Imagine Shuichi and Eisuke in the same room... xD But, in this case, why Rena and Shuichi didn't reconize each other in Red and Black? If Shuichi know about his uncle, he would underdtand that Rena is his cousin thanks to her story...

And if yukiko and chikage are really sisters, I will be so glad!! I love Kaito, and it will explain why chikage appeared in dc and why she don't look like the same as in Magic Kaito... ^_^

Oh, and did gosho already confirm that the middle bro is 28? Seems like all the theories about him are based on his age.
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Middle bro's friends are 28-29 so he should be at least 28.
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@MeiTanteixX: You right, but in manga, she was only mentioned and her picture as a Phantom Lady was showed in the background, but I guess you can count it as an appearance. Well I don't Yukiko and Chikage to be sisters, but I guess I will start to get used to the fact that they might be sisters indeed. There will be other interesting things that I will look for, at least.

@Aslinn: Yes it would be funny to have Eisuke and Shuuichi in the same room, but the same time I would find it interesting, considering their character differences. It could quite entertaining.
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