Anyone else think some characters should die soon/ in the ending?

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sonoci wrote:Killing off a character could be both a good choice or a bad choice. It really depends on the situation and who it is that's being killed off.

For instance, Akai actually dying probably would have been a really good move. It really would have left a substantial blow - and an effective one at that. We were given enough time with Akai to grow to like him and his smarts were definitely displayed well. When Akai "died" I remember that I actually teared up. It was a pretty powerful moment, especially with the reactions (geeeeez, Jodie's!). Him being killed also would have served to not only up the ante of the threat of the Organization, but to add suspense.

Akai was the other Silver Bullet. He was killed. What does that mean for Conan, another Silver Bullet who's younger and less experienced?

I like the mystery around Akai's "death" - though of course it's been a little long at this point, ahaha - but it also feels a bit like a cop-out. I mean, off the top of my head, the only character that the BO killed that we, as the audience, was able to connect with was Akemi (I'm probably wrong on this point, but this is straight from my noggin - there could also be the point made that Akemi's is the only front-up death that made enough of an impact on me that I still remember it without reference). The BO can kill any number of minor characters, but without at least a couple of main character kills they don't give quite as much of a threatening presence.

I'm not saying they have to kill a bunch of people in the main cast, but Akai would have been a wonderful victim not only for the reasons listed above, but also because it would have been one more main character death since Akemi's. His backstory also gave information on Akemi, so having him die as well could have been a sort of "together in death" thing.

Anyway, Akai dying for 100% sure would have been a nice shock after waiting so long after Akemi's (there have been other shocks, obviously, but this one would have been a huge one). Honestly, if Akai really did die, it probably would have been enough to not have anyone else die and still have fairly good tension until the ending.

As is, though, yeah - I think that someone should possibly kick the can. Don't ask me who, though, I haven't a clue :-\
You make some very nice points, and almost kind of make me wish that Akai had indeed died for real.

Almost.

I have a different outlook on the whole thing, and after thinking it over I really think that Gosho actually made the best move in having Akai fake his death. He obviously intended for Akai to "die" as far back as the cellphone arc, when Conan first acquired his two identical phones (assuming that the most popular form of the fake death plan is true), so it's not like Gosho killed off Akai and then changed his mind and brought him back, he never intended for him to die in the first place.

But I digress. I like the whole "Akai faking his death and coming back as Okiya" plot because its extremely fitting for Akai's character arc. Think about it- Gosho had established Akai's character as follows:

-He's an introverted loner who has issues connecting with other people
-He worked as an undercover spy in the Organization for a few years, and came to hate it.
-He was assigned a mission to get close to Akemi and eventually ended up falling in love with her for real.
-She was brutally killed by the Organization he hated.
-Akai feels guilt over Akemi's death and can't face Haibara because his mission as a spy is what indirectly led Haibara's death.
-Akemi left a P.S. for Akai with an unknown message.

If Akai were to meet his end at Kir's hands and just die like that with failing to avenge Akemi or face Hiabara, his character arc would be incomplete and lack closure, as well as end up being anticlimactic. He'll have basically been the cool agent who lost his love to the Organization and then got killed himself without achieving anything or taking on the responsibility of facing Haiabara.

The reason him coming back as Okiya and living next to Haiabara is so clever, story-wise, is because it creates the perfect set-up through which Gosho can tie up the whole Akemi-Haibara subplot in one go. It acts as a parallel to Akai's earlier situation with Akemi- a 'mission' in which he is involved with one of the Miyano sisters. Akai's first mission led to Akemi getting killed, and its his greatest regret in life. Now he's been given a second mission, and a second chance: to protect Haibara from danger. This mission is his way of redeeming himself after what happened with Akemi.

Aside from all that, it creates a great dynamic between Haibara and Okiya, which has taken a very interesting turn with Haibara beginning to suspect Okiya of being Moroboshi Dai, which is indeed who he is. On top of all that, there's little doubt that all this (Akai being Haibara's guardian) is tied to whatever Akemi told Akai in her last text to him. I'm not sure how Gosho is going to resolve this part of the plot, but so far he's been doing a great job of putting everything together, and took a route most writers probably wouldn't take.
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@Kudo Shinchi
I completly agree with you...killing Akai would make his character incomplete...now he has a second chance to fight the BO and finally repair what he did in the past.And I really like Okiya/Ai dynamic,I think this subplot has a good potential^^

I agree that killing a character would probably spice up the BO plot,but for now I have no idea who could be killed.Maybe Kir...
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I totally forget to mention that my first post on Akai was more leaning towards a "if it had been planned that way", as in, "if Akai had been set-up slightly differently and not left with incomplete ends, his death would have been a really good move".

As is, yeah: killing him with all the loose ends would have actually been a bad move. I guess the best way to put it is - of the characters we have, Akai dying would have made the most impact imo (again, only if his loose ends had been tied up in this hypothetical scenario)
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Depends on what you mean by impact. While Akai is awesome and despite the backstory that was given to the audience with Akemi shortly before his "death", he's not exactly a character whose death I'd consider particularly sad? It kinda makes him more awesome, dying for some greater cause. If it was one of the sillier characters (so nearly any other character in the series XD) we love and see all the time, that would be much of a "noooo ;__:" reaction I feel. But that's just me.

Of course it doesn't help that even when I was initially going through the series I immediately thought he'd be back in some way (I even called the new Akai actually being a BO member, though for much dumber reasons than what Gosho actually did). And this is despite initially thinking there was no way he could've survived.
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k11chi wrote:That sounds horrible. He should give Kogoro more moments instead rather than do something random like that.
Exactly. Kogoro is actually a pretty epic guy, but he just doesn't care enough to try much of the time. When things get personal, he's amazingly competent. I'd love to see him get more character development, and see what he can really do. And I'd love more chapters/episodes from his point of view.

If anyone dies, I think that Agasa dying would have the biggest impact on Conan, since he's close to him, and supports him with his inventions. I hope that wouldn't happen though, since he's my second favorite character.
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Killing Akai would've meant that Kir needed to have a greater impact on the story than she did.
It would've been just sad if Akai died just for the information "A new member called Bourbon will appear".

I also think there should be victims and Akai would be the best guess in my opinion. Gosho could end the Akai-Akemi-Shiho relation with
Akai protecting Ai including some last words about their relationship and the hidden PS. (obviously a little more dramatic etc ..)
Although it would be unlikely to have a maincharacter die while protecting another one this would give Akai a proper ending.

Another reason would be to finally make Conan the Silver Bullet and also if Gin can confirm Akais death with his own eyes this could led to a showdown with Anokata because he still thinks Akai is the only one who can destroy the BO.
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I really don't see Akai dying before he could kill Gin.
Gin is his personal enemy.Conan is the main character so his enemy should be the BO boss.That's also why I think Akai shouldn't be killed,we still need him in the story as a silverbullet.


However I personally think killing Agasa would be interesting,it would have a huge impact on Ai and Conan...Agasa is involved in the BO plot from the begining,he even knows Ai's parents...so it wouldn't be surprised for him to be one of their victim,especially if the BO discover Ai true identity.
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Agasa dying would be big. But then nobody can make Conan new inventions or fix the gadgets. With that Conan'll be in a big pinch, no?

Akai actually dying would be really incomplete. I get this feeling that a lot of stuff hasn't been settled yet. There's Haibara's mistrust and hate, and Akemi's death to really clear up.
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RoboG55 wrote:Agasa dying would be big. But then nobody can make Conan new inventions or fix the gadgets. With that Conan'll be in a big pinch, no?

Akai actually dying would be really incomplete. I get this feeling that a lot of stuff hasn't been settled yet. There's Haibara's mistrust and hate, and Akemi's death to really clear up.
I'd love to see what Conan would have to do when he can't get new gadgets, and has nobody to maintain them for him.
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I can't see Agasa dying because his "first love" was introduced a while ago. Since she was mentioned lately (well just one of her handbags but w/e) i don't think
Gosho want's to let this romance slip through.
Also Conan without gadgets would totally relate on the FBI to capture everyone or at least would need to start using guns/tazers etc which wouldn't really fit in.

I would still go with my earlier mentioned guess it would be Akai protecting Ai from Gin. It would wrap up his story from causing Akemi's death on to safe her little sister and
revenge Akemi by killing Gin.
Well but if i think of it if that situation occurs Akai surviving and AkaiXShiho happening would be more Gosho style since he never killed a multi case character so far
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I really doubt they would kill off anyone.

If anything, it would be a character that someone is related to that we see very, VERY rarely. Maybe like Sonoko's sister for example.
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wolf4537 wrote:I really doubt they would kill off anyone.

If anything, it would be a character that someone is related to that we see very, VERY rarely. Maybe like Sonoko's sister for example.
Same, if Gosho hasn't killed any main characters yet and kept them dead, he's not gonna.
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