I think Ai X Mitsuhiko is cute

[Kor]

...wait, wait...

a-are we using time travelers as an example to prove this? That is either horrible or amazing.

It's fine to proove the shrinking thing with time traveling. Both are fictional and as of yet, impossible so there is nothing wrong with that.

[Abs.]

If there are two freshman in high-school: one is 14 (skipped classes), the other is 24 (got seriously ill before and had to redo a few classes but is completly healthy again). Ignore their different stages of maturnity, inteligence and experiences that have nothing to do with high-school.
In terms of knowledge about that highschool ("knowing the ropes" as you called it) they are completly equal. Even though they have a 10 year difference, they both know nothing.

I hate to use an anecdote to provide evidence against your construction, but here goes: My aunt immigrated into the US at around 33 years of age, and went to a US high school for a year in order to make getting into a US college easy and uncomplicated.  Therefore, she went through classes with a bunch of 16-17 year olds.  EVERY SINGLE STUDENT wanted to be her friend because they ended up asking her to help them with their homework, or to explain parts of the lesson they didn't understand, etc.  Now, taking into account the radically different educational systems and curricula, why would they be asking her?  She may not have learned that material before at all, or she may have, but in the 15 years since she graduated high school in her home country, forgotten it all (Easy example of this is the television show "Are You Smarter than a 5th Grader?")

Keeping with the ropes analogy, even if you may not know a specific set of ropes, you do know in general how the ropes work.

*IF* Haibara stays Haibara, she will still have a different frame of reference for looking at the world.  I'm not talking about "born in the 70s" or anything like that.  I'm saying, as you spend more years alive, your thoughts change, and the way you look at life changes.  You have more experience in things like human relationships and interactions.  Here's an example: In the Seven Mysteries of Teitan Elementary case, do you think that Ayumi, Genta, or Mitsuhiko would have imagined that Kobayashi-sensei would have been in the situation she was in?  At that age, adults are still on the periphery of their cognizance and so adult behaviors, and certainly adult hopes and fears, etc. are way beyond their understanding.  Therefore, the argument is that Shinichi, and therefore Haibara, would "know the ropes" of the way the world in general works a heck of a lot better due to her longer experience within the world and therefore time to analyze things from different points of view.  Yes, as the respective ages get higher, the differences begin to dramatically lessen, but that's only because at the younger ages the amount of understanding is close to zero.

Folks generally accept a couple who are 50 and 61 years of age.  30 and 41 doesn't sound horrible either.  Now, bringing it down to where many people think a romantic relationship might start... 14 and 25?  Yes, it does happen, but it's very much against most legal statutes.  Let's throw legal issues aside.  Assuming that the DB are around 7 years of age, then at 14 years of age, it would be 7 years that Haibara has already spent with them, thinking of her role as that of a "big sister" that encourages them and leads them and cheers them up when they're feeling down, etc.  You don't often see folks that think of themselves as a "big sister" ending up developing romantic feelings toward their charges.  It's like there's a mental block, and I can argue that it is firmly in place in Haibara/Sherry's case.


Back to the actual topic, of Haibara and Mitsuhiko being cute together, I would rather readily agree that Mitsuhiko's crush is cute, but I'd feel bad for Haibara being on the receiving end of it.

[Eve]

Folks generally accept a couple who are 50 and 61 years of age.  30 and 41 doesn't sound horrible either.  Now, bringing it down to where many people think a romantic relationship might start... 14 and 25?  Yes, it does happen, but it's very much against most legal statutes.  Let's throw legal issues aside.  Assuming that the DB are around 7 years of age, then at 14 years of age, it would be 7 years that Haibara has already spent with them, thinking of her role as that of a "big sister" that encourages them and leads them and cheers them up when they're feeling down, etc.  You don't often see folks that think of themselves as a "big sister" ending up developing romantic feelings toward their charges.  It's like there's a mental block, and I can argue that it is firmly in place in Haibara/Sherry's case.


Back to the actual topic, of Haibara and Mitsuhiko being cute together, I would rather readily agree that Mitsuhiko's crush is cute, but I'd feel bad for Haibara being on the receiving end of it.

Yes, the "mental block" point is a really good point, once that "block" is placed, romantic feelings can't be sprout ...thus, I agree with your idea about this pair... it's cute that Mistuhiko has a crush on Haibara, but a retaliation from her in most unlikely.

[kkslider5552000]

the increased originality and intelligence of this page has made me decide to not lock it despite wanting to for a while

[Schillok]

Well... that anecdote with your aunt was interesting. But doesn't it rather show that age difference has only little influence on whether people can become friends? I don't know how your aunt reacted but it seems like she was accepted by the teenagers as a peer, despite being 15 years older than them.
I don't know why she was better in school than the teenagers, might be inteligence, her attitude/motivation towards school and learning or maybe because the extra experiences during the 15 years helped her understanding complicated things better.

I think we disagree in how be belive Haibaras mind will develop if she redoes her childhood. You think she will mature at a normal rate, driven by her own conciousness. I think she will mature much slower, driven by how her enviroment treats her. Both look like valid theories to me.

In the Seven Mysteries of Teitan Elementary case Shinichi (and Haibara too, probably) understood how Kobayashi-sensei felt, despite being younger then her, right? So why should Mitsuhiko in 10 years (or less) not do the same (assuming that there will be a difference, which I don't think)?

Well, ignoring legal issues (What issues? There are is only a handful people who know Ais past, the law would treat her like a 14 year old in 7 years) what would stop Haibara to fall in love with him? She will suport him, sure, but at the same time Mitsuhiko, Ayumi and Genta will support her back. No, I have no idea how often people who think of themselves as "big sister" develop romantic feelings towards their charges. I don't know if there is a psychological effect that prevents that in non-bloodrelated children after puperty who didn't know each other since early childhood (<5 year old) - but I would guess there is none such an effect.
Physically they are the same age. And if Ai really wants to become Ai and give up that double-identity Shiho/Ai then she will also have to accept mentaly that she is the same age as them and treat them accordingly.
I still think that becoming Ai permanently and giving up her past as Shiho is the only realistic way for Mitsuhiko x Ai to happen.

[Schillok]

the increased originality and intelligence of this page has made me decide to not lock it despite wanting to for a while

It is possible to close your own threads on this board? How... unusual.  Or do only special users have the rights to do that?

Beside... for the most part I think it was a fair and objective discusion. And quite interesting too.
It even made me think about something I didn't consider before: Given the chance, would Ai become Shiho again and continue that live without the organisation? Before I didn't consider it a reasonable option but after reading some opinions... well, I still think it is better for her to stay Ai but maybe becoming Shiho isn't that bad after all...
[Of course I hope a few people who didn't consider Mitsuhiko x Ai to be possible at all changed their minds - even if they still dislike it now.]

[TheBlind]

I think we disagree in how be belive Haibaras mind will develop if she redoes her childhood. You think she will mature at a normal rate, driven by her own conciousness. I think she will mature much slower, driven by how her enviroment treats her. Both look like valid theories to me.

You are going to have to explain this one. It's usually the case that the gifted break-out of their environment because they have the ability to see it's constraining them, so why would Haibara slow down for hers?
She hasn't slowed down with an evil Organization trying to killer her, so chances are she isn't slowing down for anything.
Another question, are you basing this off Conan becoming Shinichi and thus only leaving her alone with the DBs in your scenario?

Shinichi would still be around, so she doesn't have to slow down for the DB's as she will have an equal to talk to in him and Agasa(not equal equal..but better than the DBs). Then there's the perfect example of Shinichi and his "environment". It was the same as Ran's and Sonoko's but he clearly didn't slow down for it and actually broke it by creating his OWN environment to excel in. Chances are the exact same thing will happen with Haibara if she stays in her current form and that's only if you believe her only friends will be the DBs..or that they won't get forced to move away or fail a grade thus separating them ..Yes, I'm evil.

In the Seven Mysteries of Teitan Elementary case Shinichi (and Haibara too, probably) understood how Kobayashi-sensei felt, despite being younger then her, right? So why should Mitsuhiko in 10 years (or less) not do the same (assuming that there will be a difference, which I don't think)?

Shinichi and Shiho are mature past their age(their real age) Mitsuhiko is not, that simple. You trying to deny poor Mitsuhiko his childhood and force him to become an adult before he's ready for Haibara..pure evil.

[Schillok]

Shinichi and Shiho are mature past their age(their real age) Mitsuhiko is not, that simple.

I think Mitsuhiko is. To me he seems to be mature past his age (even if that is only 7 years). More mature than any 1st grader I know or remember. Yes, at least en par with the 7 year-old Shinichi, even if we only saw him once during that "Silver Moon Magican in the School Library Case". Though that Shinichi was smarter than him.
And no, of course I will give him enough time for his childhood (together with Ai reliving childhood again) - as said countless time again, they both need time anyway.

It's usually the case that the gifted break-out of their environment because they have the ability to see it's constraining them, so why would Haibara slow down for hers?

With "gifted" do you mean artist/philosophers trying to escape their environment so it doesn't influence their work/thoughts? Or do you mean children with special talents for music or inteligence?
But yes, that is what I mean: The environment has a strong influence on your mind and development. For every "gifted" who breaks out there are is an unknown number of gifted ones who remain undiscovered because their talents were supressed by their environment. If Haibara decides she wants to grow up like a normal child it is likely she will supress the urge to leave her environment of children the same (physical) age. The fear of the BO to find her (if they still exist then) will make her even more to stay low-profile among the crowd.
About Conan/Shinichi... well, for Ai/Shiho to become only Ai, Conan/Shinichi would have to find his identity too. Otherwise she would continue searching for an antidote which would prevent her from finishing with her past. He might become Shinichi (most likely) or accept his fate as Conan (which I would prefer  ) without telling anyone his true identity.

No idea what you wanted to say with the Shinichi example... but despite being smarter and more mature than Ran and Sonoko he always stayed in the same grade as them, right? And he seems to have liked it.

BTW, in japanese school sytem there is no "failing a grade". Only going to different school or moving away would separate them. And Mitsuhiko seems smart and hard-working enough to be accepted in the school he wants (Even more with both of his parents being teachers)

[ssjup81]

I like Mitsuhiko's crush on Ai, but even if Ai chose not to go back to her normal age, I still couldn't see her going with Mitsuhiko.  To me, Ai would always see Mistuhiko, Ayumi, and Genta as "kids", so I could never see her hooked up with Genta or Mitsuhiko.  That's the same reason I couldn't see Conan paired up with Ayumi if he ended up not aging.  Same thing.  Would probably always see those three as "kids".

[soratothamax]

If there are two freshman in high-school: one is 14 (skipped classes), the other is 24 (got seriously ill before and had to redo a few classes but is completly healthy again). Ignore their different stages of maturnity, inteligence and experiences that have nothing to do with high-school.
In terms of knowledge about that highschool ("knowing the ropes" as you called it) they are completly equal. Even though they have a 10 year difference, they both know nothing.

I hate to use an anecdote to provide evidence against your construction, but here goes: My aunt immigrated into the US at around 33 years of age, and went to a US high school for a year in order to make getting into a US college easy and uncomplicated.  Therefore, she went through classes with a bunch of 16-17 year olds.  EVERY SINGLE STUDENT wanted to be her friend because they ended up asking her to help them with their homework, or to explain parts of the lesson they didn't understand, etc.  Now, taking into account the radically different educational systems and curricula, why would they be asking her?  She may not have learned that material before at all, or she may have, but in the 15 years since she graduated high school in her home country, forgotten it all (Easy example of this is the television show "Are You Smarter than a 5th Grader?")

Keeping with the ropes analogy, even if you may not know a specific set of ropes, you do know in general how the ropes work.

*IF* Haibara stays Haibara, she will still have a different frame of reference for looking at the world.  I'm not talking about "born in the 70s" or anything like that.  I'm saying, as you spend more years alive, your thoughts change, and the way you look at life changes.  You have more experience in things like human relationships and interactions.  Here's an example: In the Seven Mysteries of Teitan Elementary case, do you think that Ayumi, Genta, or Mitsuhiko would have imagined that Kobayashi-sensei would have been in the situation she was in?  At that age, adults are still on the periphery of their cognizance and so adult behaviors, and certainly adult hopes and fears, etc. are way beyond their understanding.  Therefore, the argument is that Shinichi, and therefore Haibara, would "know the ropes" of the way the world in general works a heck of a lot better due to her longer experience within the world and therefore time to analyze things from different points of view.  Yes, as the respective ages get higher, the differences begin to dramatically lessen, but that's only because at the younger ages the amount of understanding is close to zero.

Folks generally accept a couple who are 50 and 61 years of age.  30 and 41 doesn't sound horrible either.  Now, bringing it down to where many people think a romantic relationship might start... 14 and 25?  Yes, it does happen, but it's very much against most legal statutes.  Let's throw legal issues aside.  Assuming that the DB are around 7 years of age, then at 14 years of age, it would be 7 years that Haibara has already spent with them, thinking of her role as that of a "big sister" that encourages them and leads them and cheers them up when they're feeling down, etc.  You don't often see folks that think of themselves as a "big sister" ending up developing romantic feelings toward their charges.  It's like there's a mental block, and I can argue that it is firmly in place in Haibara/Sherry's case.


Back to the actual topic, of Haibara and Mitsuhiko being cute together, I would rather readily agree that Mitsuhiko's crush is cute, but I'd feel bad for Haibara being on the receiving end of it.

pass the sake Abs!  You have the mind of Kudo Shinichi, the intellectual But shoot, I've had that experience. I transferred to a new school and my old school didn't have the same classes as the new. So when I got back to my old school I fell behind, and ended up in classes with all sophmores (I was a Senior). Even though I never learned the material in that class before, I was still surrounded around people who haven't been in the world as long as I have. I was talking about a singer I knew in my youth, they didn't know who it was, but when I talked to people my age, they all knew who I was talking about.

With the 70s thing, I was meaning generations. If someone grew up in the 70s, they are now in their 40s. They didn't grow up with the technology we have today, but they may have learned to use it. Whereas this generation was raised on technology, so it's second-nature to them. It would be the same with anything else besides technology. Haibara would have to adjust herself just like her peers who continuously grow old in body form.

Just cause you look young, and are in a younger body, and are treated young, does not mean you are. I look young for my age, and people treat me young, but I'm not. I don't act anything like the younger generation. And it gets annoying when people treat me young, and I have to remind people how old I really am. It gets annoying when people question my intelligence when I'm often times smarter than those doing so.....just a side rant....but yea, if you've lived 20 years of life, you're basically 20 years old....

Spoiler:

Does anyone here know about the show "So Weird" (18+ age group) ? That used to come on Disney channel. Remember the girl Rebecca who took a longer time to grow up than all the rest of her peers? She was the mom's friend Molly's friend in the past, and then became the daughters' friend, Fiona. That was weird.....

[soratothamax]

I never said that Haibara doesn't have the experiences of a 20 year old now. I said she won't have the experiences of a normal 30 year old in 10 years if she stays as a kid.
The difference of a kid grown up in the 80s or 90s... it is not that big, both had friends, both went to school, both played, both grew up, had troubles with parents... rather if there are differences between the two they are more likely caused by their differences in characters or by the slightly different inventions/playthings that make their live easier. If you freeze the older one in time for 10 years or deprive him from any feedback from his environment concerning his age (without damaging is mind) [both ethically not recommended  ] for that time then these two can become perfect friends/lovers/whatever. The influence of the decade they grew up won't be significant.
Same with Haibara: If she stays a kid she does not make any experiences a normal 30 year old would make, but rather re-experience the experiences of a teenager (without the meddeling of some Black Organisation).
If there are two freshman in high-school: one is 14 (skipped classes), the other is 24 (got seriously ill before and had to redo a few classes but is completly healthy again). Ignore their different stages of maturnity, inteligence and experiences that have nothing to do with high-school.
In terms of knowledge about that highschool ("knowing the ropes" as you called it) they are completly equal. Even though they have a 10 year difference, they both know nothing.
In the case of Ai and Mitsuhiko it is the same: Both have never experienced the live as a 20 year old. Ai might have repeated childhood (classes) but this are her first tween years, just like for Mitsuhiko.


In the case of the time-traveler: He will adapt to his new surrounding. Actually Ai is more of a case who traveled back into the 70s: She might consider some things as idiotic and will miss some inventions and changes of the present... but she will adapt (10 years sound like more than enough) and could live a perfect normal live in 70s, together with a non-timetraveling husband from that time if she chooses to.

well, this is Haibara's first time experiencing going to school and being around friends, but do you need those experiences to be a normal teenager? Not all teenagers go to high school, meet friends, and shop etc. That is not everyone's experience. It is an influence. However, being alive for some years makes you think more about the world you live in. That experience shows the generation gap. By the time Haibara is 40, she will already know how it felt to be in the mind of a 30 year old, which Mitsuhiko will be, no matter what a 30 year old MAY experience.

Some 30 year old's LIVES don't change much from when they were teens,  but their MINDS have been handling the situation longer than when they were teens, so they think differently about life than they did when they were teens. Their minds will constantly grow and change, depending on how they've seen change in the world happen to them. Haibara has already seen what an adult's life is, even in a small body. Even at age 40, Haibara will really be thinking like a 50 year old, and being treated younger might annoy her because she'll be as wise as people twice her age.

[soratothamax]

Well... that anecdote with your aunt was interesting. But doesn't it rather show that age difference has only little influence on whether people can become friends? I don't know how your aunt reacted but it seems like she was accepted by the teenagers as a peer, despite being 15 years older than them.
I don't know why she was better in school than the teenagers, might be inteligence, her attitude/motivation towards school and learning or maybe because the extra experiences during the 15 years helped her understanding complicated things better.

I think we disagree in how be belive Haibaras mind will develop if she redoes her childhood. You think she will mature at a normal rate, driven by her own conciousness. I think she will mature much slower, driven by how her enviroment treats her. Both look like valid theories to me.

In the Seven Mysteries of Teitan Elementary case Shinichi (and Haibara too, probably) understood how Kobayashi-sensei felt, despite being younger then her, right? So why should Mitsuhiko in 10 years (or less) not do the same (assuming that there will be a difference, which I don't think)?

Well, ignoring legal issues (What issues? There are is only a handful people who know Ais past, the law would treat her like a 14 year old in 7 years) what would stop Haibara to fall in love with him? She will suport him, sure, but at the same time Mitsuhiko, Ayumi and Genta will support her back. No, I have no idea how often people who think of themselves as "big sister" develop romantic feelings towards their charges. I don't know if there is a psychological effect that prevents that in non-bloodrelated children after puperty who didn't know each other since early childhood (<5 year old) - but I would guess there is none such an effect.
Physically they are the same age. And if Ai really wants to become Ai and give up that double-identity Shiho/Ai then she will also have to accept mentaly that she is the same age as them and treat them accordingly.
I still think that becoming Ai permanently and giving up her past as Shiho is the only realistic way for Mitsuhiko x Ai to happen.

Well any human being can accept another and become friends no matter the age group. But it will be harder, and certainly hard when thinking in romantic terms. It'll be harder to be with someone who doesn't understand what you are going through at your age, and how your generation was. There will be very little communication and understanding.

Ai can give in and marry him, but she'll get sick of him after a while. Haibara likes them and likes their carefree spirit much in the same way that a mother loves how carefree her daughter is and wishes she could go back to being carefree again. But the world, years of experience changes people, and make them less carefree. Shiho can take the easy route and be a child again, but to the DBoys they don't really know what IS the easy route as they've never experienced it before. So to them, their life is not carefree but difficult. When they get older, they will see that things they thought were necessary were really trivial. No matter how old Ai and Mitsu gets they will never truly understand each other. They can give each other advice, but it will be more of a mother-son relationship, or big sister-little brother relationship. Mitsuhiko will never understand her fully.

As far as being cute, I think it's cute that Mitsu likes Haibara, same with Ayumi, but I'm not stuck on it. When it shows up I just laugh......  Sorry, the romance just would be weird, but it's a cute little crush. I had a crush on my cute teacher once. Ever had a crush on your elementary school teacher who was twice your age?

[soratothamax]

the increased originality and intelligence of this page has made me decide to not lock it despite wanting to for a while

It is possible to close your own threads on this board? How... unusual.  Or do only special users have the rights to do that?

Beside... for the most part I think it was a fair and objective discusion. And quite interesting too.
It even made me think about something I didn't consider before: Given the chance, would Ai become Shiho again and continue that live without the organisation? Before I didn't consider it a reasonable option but after reading some opinions... well, I still think it is better for her to stay Ai but maybe becoming Shiho isn't that bad after all...
[Of course I hope a few people who didn't consider Mitsuhiko x Ai to be possible at all changed their minds - even if they still dislike it now.]

Then again, but the time she finds the antidote to decide to become Shiho there won't be any organization. After the BO is taken down, will she decide to start a new life? Or keep with her established life as a kid? Either way, she won't be in fear of the BO ever again....she might even end up like Jodie and Satou fighting crime as Shiho to end injustice because she remembers how it was in her family......

but hey, anything is open for the imagination, ne?

[soratothamax]

Shinichi and Shiho are mature past their age(their real age) Mitsuhiko is not, that simple.

I think Mitsuhiko is. To me he seems to be mature past his age (even if that is only 7 years). More mature than any 1st grader I know or remember. Yes, at least en par with the 7 year-old Shinichi, even if we only saw him once during that "Silver Moon Magican in the School Library Case". Though that Shinichi was smarter than him.
And no, of course I will give him enough time for his childhood (together with Ai reliving childhood again) - as said countless time again, they both need time anyway.

It's usually the case that the gifted break-out of their environment because they have the ability to see it's constraining them, so why would Haibara slow down for hers?

With "gifted" do you mean artist/philosophers trying to escape their environment so it doesn't influence their work/thoughts? Or do you mean children with special talents for music or inteligence?
But yes, that is what I mean: The environment has a strong influence on your mind and development. For every "gifted" who breaks out there are is an unknown number of gifted ones who remain undiscovered because their talents were supressed by their environment. If Haibara decides she wants to grow up like a normal child it is likely she will supress the urge to leave her environment of children the same (physical) age. The fear of the BO to find her (if they still exist then) will make her even more to stay low-profile among the crowd.
About Conan/Shinichi... well, for Ai/Shiho to become only Ai, Conan/Shinichi would have to find his identity too. Otherwise she would continue searching for an antidote which would prevent her from finishing with her past. He might become Shinichi (most likely) or accept his fate as Conan (which I would prefer  ) without telling anyone his true identity.

No idea what you wanted to say with the Shinichi example... but despite being smarter and more mature than Ran and Sonoko he always stayed in the same grade as them, right? And he seems to have liked it.

BTW, in japanese school sytem there is no "failing a grade". Only going to different school or moving away would separate them. And Mitsuhiko seems smart and hard-working enough to be accepted in the school he wants (Even more with both of his parents being teachers)

When people say Shinichi and Shiho are mature for their age, they mean intellectually. They know more than most their age, but they are still rather more immature than adults who are older. Being intellectually smarter than peers is different from wisdom. Wisdom comes from years of experiencing life. It comes from going through day-to-day circumstances for a long time, and knowing how to adapt and cope with the realities of it. The DBoys at age 20 might be dreaming of a big house and a great job paying lots of cash, and being huge successes after college. When Haibara is 20 (30 basically), she'll be thinking of bills cost this, that, and the other. Even though she would have not experienced paying a bill, she lived in the world long enough to have heard/seen people who are going through that, and recognizes that bills comes along with fancy things.....

[kirite]

When people say Shinichi and Shiho are mature for their age, they mean intellectually. They know more than most their age, but they are still rather more immature than adults who are older. Being intellectually smarter than peers is different from wisdom. Wisdom comes from years of experiencing life. It comes from going through day-to-day circumstances for a long time, and knowing how to adapt and cope with the realities of it. The DBoys at age 20 might be dreaming of a big house and a great job paying lots of cash, and being huge successes after college. When Haibara is 20 (30 basically), she'll be thinking of bills cost this, that, and the other. Even though she would have not experienced paying a bill, she lived in the world long enough to have heard/seen people who are going through that, and recognizes that bills comes along with fancy things.....

I think unlike Shinichi and Haibara, the DB will know- or already does know "real world worries".  Dispite their age difference, the DB lived in the working world longer.

Haibara lived in the insolated world of B.O.  She's a genius, her sister isn't with her, as a high level member of the Org I'm guessing unless Gin does his own bills and pays his taxes I'm not too sure what type of "real world" exposure someone of her status will have.  You can argue now that she's living with Agasa she'll have "real world" worries, however it's hard to say since Agasa's money supply never seems to run out even though he doesn't do much xD.  

Shinichi, really not much explaination needed. His parents are affluent enough, besides he just likes to read, play soccer and solve mysteries.  It's a quiet life full of people getting stabbed to death.  I'm sure if he ever needs money he can do well as a P.I.  I really doubt he'll suffer dry spells like Kogoro because unlike Kogoro he won't swing into random moments of idiocy xD.  Plus he can just go outside and someone will most likely die (poor Shinichi xD).

Thing is unlike Agasa or Yuusaku, the DB's parents/guardians aren't millionairs.   I mean just look at Genta.  Genta's family owns a small pub.  I really doubt prior to Agasa Genta has even been to anywhere far because his parents are too busy and because they simply can't afford to.  As for exposure once he's old enough he'll probably be helping in the family business.  His mother seems to very shrewd with money and I'm sure he'll pick up her tricks (or she'll force him to using her awesomeness).