Files 771-774 Discussion Thread: The Forced Deduction (Yes,

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:-[ :-[ :-[

For get what I said before but what I am saying is that she probably Lives in america and yet she is Japanese like Akia Suuchi


anyway dose anyone else see similarity between this arc and Kir/Eisuke arc
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sonoci wrote: She never said Agasa, but the fact she knew about the professor... That just didn't sit right with me. I feel something's up (though that should be obvious)
Oh, def.
Totally did NOT think of this, and am now weirded out.  Why would she know about him?  Maybe articles where Agasa solved the mystery?  She's certainly latched onto Conan and his part in the deductions...maybe she's really a psychic or something  ;D
Yes, but this still leaves the question of why? Sera's identity is a major mystery at this point because of so many reasons. Where is her knowledge coming from? Why is she so knowledgeable about Conan (or alternatively why would she look up Conan)? And possibly most important: who is it that she reminds him of?

The last question is more or less assumed to be Akai, but that just seems to obvious for Gosho IMO. I mean, he has done obvious things before, but as people have mentioned against the theory she's the sister of Akai is that there's no real reason for her to investigate Conan. Shuu could've told her about him, yes, but even then I don't think she'd go to such lengths to investigate a seven-year-old boy, no matter how smart he may seem. Furthermore even if she decided to look into Conan, why would she know about Agasa? He may have been mentioned here and there, but to an outsider he wouldn't appear all that important. Of course, a minor look into Agasa could be supported by the 'whatshisname' part, but yeah.

Right now I'm not really worrying about who Sera is. It's too early :P
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doublemoonlight wrote: :-[ :-[ :-[

For get what I said before but what I am saying is that she probably Lives in america and yet she is Japanese like Akia Suuchi


anyway dose anyone else see similarity between this arc and Kir/Eisuke arc
Ok, now I'm confused.  Did she live in America?
And yes, I'm seeing the similarities.  That's what's making me worried that it'll just be a repeat.  But I guess I just have to trust Gosho...

The only reason I can think of for Sera knowing about Agasa is that she researched Kogoro, found the connection to Conan, then looked up Conan and found that he was at crime scenes that Agasa "solved".
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Shuusgirl wrote: Ok, now I'm confused.  Did she live in America?
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"Since three years ago, I'd been living with my parents in America, but...I rebelled, saying that I'd rather live in Japan where I was born and raised, so I came back here to Tokyo!"~Sera, File 771, page 2

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sonoci wrote: "Since three years ago, I'd been living with my parents in America, but...I rebelled, saying that I'd rather live in Japan where I was born and raised, so I came back here to Tokyo!"~Sera, File 771, page 2

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Thank you much!
So then the question is did Akai's family move to America, or just him?  'cause he shoulda been there way longer than 3 years.
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First i must say that I'm ecstatic about this new development.
One thing i found interesting was that the moment that the gun swinging character entered i knew something he was going to do something. My room mate didn't believe me but boom the gun came out!
I find it interesting that Sera is more interesting in Conan then Shinichi when she gets compared to him at school.
I'm personally hoping that she has some kind of connection to Akai.
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Ho.  O__O I take a break from DC for a long time due to the amount of new (filler, but still interesting) mysteries that strung up and nothing BO related, except for these "Akai" herrings that keep being thrown in our faces. Enough with the "akai" kanji hints, Gosho! We get the picture until they're subconsciously melded into our memories.

Anyways, as of yesterday (in my timezone of EST), I caught up with my DC reading and is now going...."Sera"!?  Wha!?  Great, another new mysterious character pops up. Finally, DC seems to be getting back on track into the more severe interesting side. Although, I was pinning some hope on Kaitou Kid's last appearance as a small hint that they eventually, he and Shinichi, will join forces.  

So, after going through all of this thread plus looking a little bit at the first Sera chapter discussion thread, pretty much a lot of people's speculations echo mine.

1) Sera being Akai's little sister is still a possibility, as cliche as it sounds. (And many of us do not want to see that happen, but what can we do if it's so..?) The fact that her provided full name has a "connection" to Akai puts this into perspective.

2) Sera is actually a guy disguised as a girl and the panty shot is made intentionally to throw us off.

3) Sera is Kaitou Kid in disguise. That was my speculation at the very beginning, even with doubt since Sera knows Jeet Kune Do. Then, I decided to drop this speculation after we learned more about her.

4) Sera is another person, who de-aged herself with a controlled pill. Unlike Kudo and Ai, she carefully aged back into a teenager. (Now, this would be interesting... Puts a new spin on the drug.)  

5) Sera is someone not involved at all with the BO main story. She's highly perceptive, but, wanted to simply get close to Conan and study him. Her main idol has always been Kudo, and decided, of all the schools to transfer to, it would be Kudo's school. (The way she acts clueless when hearing about Kudo in the school makes me raise my eyebrow.) And if she's more brilliant than the two particular people, who are very close to Kudo, she would see a match between Kudo and Conan's faces. She would cover her bedroom with Conan and Kudo newspaper pictures. Perhaps, this is her number 1 mystery to solve and it has become her obsession?    

6) Sera has a past involvement with the BO, that could relate to theory point #4.

7) Sera is going to move from the last case's hotel, that she's currently living in, and move in with Subaru. Joy. Conan's little detective anti-BO team is starting to grow. Soon, the number of Team Conan is going to really out-number the BO members...  I'm just sooo looking forward to Subaru and Sera meeting. I think Sera would be highly estatic just waltzing into Kudo's house.


I like that Sera is the type of character that I'm hoping a particular character in the show, "Merlin", would become. Someone else, who knows Conan's secret, but isn't going to reveal that she knows. I am also highly intrigued that Conan has a familiar feel with her. I just hope Gosho has not forgotten Subaru. D:  His apperance is long over-due.

As for this current case, had that feeling that Sera was going to find a way to keep the cell phone connected.
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Sera knowing Professor Agasa definitely stood out when reading the case, along with her great interest in Conan.
mysterygirl wrote: 5) Sera is someone not involved at all with the BO main story. She's highly perceptive, but, wanted to simply get close to Conan and study him. Her main idol has always been Kudo, and decided, of all the schools to transfer to, it would be Kudo's school. (The way she acts clueless when hearing about Kudo in the school makes me raise my eyebrow.) And if she's more brilliant than the two particular people, who are very close to Kudo, she would see a match between Kudo and Conan's faces. She would cover her bedroom with Conan and Kudo newspaper pictures. Perhaps, this is her number 1 mystery to solve and it has become her obsession?   
Then she was feigning not knowing Shinichi during the last case? She seemed to know more about Conan than Shinichi, which is also a bit odd.
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randompi314159 wrote: Sera knowing Professor Agasa definitely stood out when reading the case, along with her great interest in Conan.
mysterygirl wrote: 5) Sera is someone not involved at all with the BO main story. She's highly perceptive, but, wanted to simply get close to Conan and study him. Her main idol has always been Kudo, and decided, of all the schools to transfer to, it would be Kudo's school. (The way she acts clueless when hearing about Kudo in the school makes me raise my eyebrow.) And if she's more brilliant than the two particular people, who are very close to Kudo, she would see a match between Kudo and Conan's faces. She would cover her bedroom with Conan and Kudo newspaper pictures. Perhaps, this is her number 1 mystery to solve and it has become her obsession?   
Then she was feigning not knowing Shinichi during the last case? She seemed to know more about Conan than Shinichi, which is also a bit odd.
You're right, that's odd. I can't believe that she knows about Sleeping Kogoro and Conan, but nothing about Kudo. If she's good detective, she should at least check about him in Internet after Hotel Case, right? I remember, in earlier case, she was shocked when Kudo made a call. Maybe she was thinking that he was dead like many people? Maybe she has connected already Shinichi and Conan, but in class she just pretended she didn't care about it? I don't think she would be so excited about meeting Conan, if she think that he's just a smart kid.
Btw, basing on Conan's cautious behaviour towards Sera (to not to show her that he's too smart), maybe this time he will solve this case as Shinichi (in person), so Sera and Kudo will finally meet~! Other options are:
1) Kogoro will solve the case and rescue everybody (haha)
2) Sera will do it (but actually what will Conan do then?)
3) Conan will do it with DB (Boooring...)
4) Conan will do it alone (but this way he will make Sera and the others suspicious)
I vote for Shinichi option. :D
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Keep in mind she withheld her knowledge in the last case for the sake of gaining info about Conan, so it's likely that her inquiries about Conan stem from an interest in Shinichi. She's smart enough to know that people(especially Ran) would get suspicious if she started asking around about Shinichi. She's just trying to keep a low profile while she goes after her main objective which we won't be sure of until at least the end of this case
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Blah wrote:
xpon wrote: not from ran kicking!
I really didn't want to go find this but...--> http://www.mangarush.com/manga/detective-conan/140/p-4

Perhaps you do not think that counts?
I'm sorry I have to say I don't SEE her panties there.  They might be there but the way the drawing is she could very well be going commando.  (Though I doubt it 'cause no girl in her right mind would go commando in a skirt.)

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http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn17 ... 179079.jpg Would this count too?  That's where my head first went when talking about pantie shots in DC.

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oh my ..

((( totally random: why does her name have to be Sera? ~~ in my language, that's like an insult, that's how you call someone who does sth you don't approve (hard to explain); just today my dad told me not to be such a 'sera', because I was in a bad mood and didn't want to chat .. that bothers me a bit xD )))
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RedPoppy wrote: You're right, that's odd. I can't believe that she knows about Sleeping Kogoro and Conan, but nothing about Kudo. If she's good detective, she should at least check about him in Internet after Hotel Case, right? I remember, in earlier case, she was shocked when Kudo made a call. Maybe she was thinking that he was dead like many people? Maybe she has connected already Shinichi and Conan, but in class she just pretended she didn't care about it? I don't think she would be so excited about meeting Conan, if she think that he's just a smart kid.
Btw, basing on Conan's cautious behaviour towards Sera (to not to show her that he's too smart), maybe this time he will solve this case as Shinichi (in person), so Sera and Kudo will finally meet~! Other options are:
1) Kogoro will solve the case and rescue everybody (haha)
2) Sera will do it (but actually what will Conan do then?)
3) Conan will do it with DB (Boooring...)
4) Conan will do it alone (but this way he will make Sera and the others suspicious)
I vote for Shinichi option. :D
I thought with the same solutions in addition to Okiya appearing in the professor's house and interfering  :) but I hope foe Shinichi's one, but he has just appeared a few files back  :-\
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mysterygirl wrote: 2) Sera is actually a guy disguised as a girl and the panty shot is made intentionally to throw us off.
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Along with this there's also-*shuts mouth*

Actually, those with this theory seem very insistent, so I don't see much point in debating the flaws. ...Flaws I've actually pointed out before. ...In great detail.

To each their own, I suppose :P *gets money ready to place a bet with Kor*
...Someone who knows Conan's secret, but isn't going to reveal that she knows.
I agree that this would be interesting. I mean, when Ran knew behind the scenes it opened up many opportunities for her to pick on Conan in ways she wouldn't of if she didn't think he was Shinichi. Right now, Sera pretty much knows for sure but is treating him like a little kid--er, well, a little kid she respects.
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