Air on the G String kidnapping case: (Files 728-730): Vote f

[soratothamax]

I think it's safe to say that there hasn't been an adult in the house the whole time the DB were in the villa. Conan's last remark is a reference musical child prodigies like Beethoven so he must have deduced that they've been pranked by a kid this whole time.


that's a good observation. I can't tell what it is though, it could be a record player. but I don't know how that's significant since the 'culprit' used the CD player to play the music... it's kinda a random place to store a record player too. :/

i'm doubting more and more that they are in any danger at all. now I think the coffin is really more suggestive of a pet dying, because of its small size and a coffin suggests that you somewhat loved/respected/etc the thing/person that died. if i were a kidnapper planning to kill a boy I would bury the body straight in the earth, I wouldn't bother with a coffin. :x

exactly. Then again, I wouldn't even bury a dog in a coffin....

I don't believe an adult is in that house either...but a child didn't write that notebook either. The writing, the use of words....definitely not written by a child. So one might guess who is in the house spooking everyone, which might be a child...but who wrote the notebook? Who is keeping the house clean, and the utilities running? I'm very doubtful that it is a child. The adult might've left for some reason.....

exactly, why keep notes of such incriminating evidence, and leave it lying around?

but I agree, I like this file too.

yea, it doesn't make sense that someone would leave the notebook around if they planned on killing anyone. They said have to "Kill" but that didn't say what.


I think it's important to observe the area and the surroundings, and whatever is under that piano stood out to me. Don't know why....it seems out of place, and too openly exposed....


I ALSO GOT ANOTHER CRAZY THOUGHT!!!

http://www.onemanga.com/Detective_Conan/729/16/

What Conan said here..."they are such a .....genius that one could be envious that they were even born". Is someone envious of a child's talents and is confining a child in the villa to practice just like Mozart's father did to him? Don't want to read too into what he said but, that's what came to my mind. Is an older child envious of a younger child? Is an adult being upstaged by a child?

And going back to the maps, maybe they represent "keys" on the piano somehow. Or certain musical notes that have to do with the "Air on the G-string" piece....The last picture map, It looks like a string is floating in the air...

[Schillok]

You know after more then 700 chapters with xxx bloody murders i find it a bit late of Conanto worry about the mental state of the DBs now.

yeah that's exactly what i think...they saw so many dead bodies that i wonder why Conan is afraid like that maybe because the DB never saw a dead child...but still it's not very logical...
anyway,i have no clues about this case,so i'm waiting for the next file...i hope the end will be interesting.

I wondered about that too. But maybe he thought it could be a dead body of a child that already started to rot (since the coffin wasn't buried yet, but a dead body could have been already placed into it)  That's not something the DBs already saw ^^"

hmm,that make sense XD
even if they already saw the skull of a dead man...

They didn't only see the skull, poor Ayumi had it in her hands before she realized what it is... probably not her best memory. 


Anyway... I go with the theory that the notebook was written about 1 year ago (would explain the "rainy" even though it started to rain only 1 hour ago and the dried wine). Guess it is talking about music and componists, not about an actual crime.
Then, this year, a child remembered how nice it was to be there and rode to the house without telling the parents. Maybe the parents started arguing, talking about a divorce or something, at least something stressful that the child (probably the girl in the photo) wanted to escape.
Now it waits in the house for its parents to search for her, hoping to reunite them somehow. And doing the chores it can do (washing up, putting bags where they belong). Passing the time with playing a game (and using a page from the one-year old notebook by chance, removing the page from the book thus explaining the missing day in the diary.)

Sounds like a normal DC plot. 

Of course it doesn't explain the coffin.
Nor why suddenly the height of the piano chair was not at the height for a child their age anymore.
Nor why a photo was lying in a puddle of hot water in the center of the floor...


Okay, maybe my theory is not consistent yet. Guess I will let myself be surprised by the final chapter. And just enjoy reading this "case".

[Detective Prince]

I don't know this case seems more like a Conan, Ran and Mouri case than a Conan and DB case. I hope the next DB case is better.

[Kor]

I believe I have solved the overall mystery, but I have to go now, so I'll edit this post later.

So here's the deal. I completely forgot that I posted this, and remembered only today. I'm also a bit sick, but oh well.

(note: my deductions are nowhere good or specific like Chekhov's Conan's. I can't usually tell regarding ALL the clues, so my deduction is a....Kogoro Style deduction!)

(note 2: I haven't read what was written in this thread ever since this post)

Spoiler:

THERE IS NO FREAKING CRIME PEOPLE!

The shadow man is obviously the girl. It was obvious when it was pointed out that the chair didn't fit to Conan, but it fitted to Ayumi to play on the piano, so without a doubt, the one who played on the piano is the girl. Not to mention that in the first file, Mitsuhiko claims there was a "tall person" behind the door, but when Conan opened the door, we could see behind it something that if the girl stood on it, she would seem taller (and in the picture, the girl is sitting next to the piano, so we know she's a piano player). I believe everything is just a prank which the girl created. Since the wine wet the notebook recently, the girl probably did that on purpose. not everything in the diary can be related to each other. There is a map for that videogame in the notebook, so it is likely that part of the information in the diary refers to the game.

About the "boy" I believe it's not really a boy, but instead it's the way the girl refers to the violin player in the picture (I have to assume the flute player is a female and that she's the girl's mother. I can't really tell). She says that the "child" plays a lot and smiles often, so it could fit to the violin player. Regarding the "situation that the child is in" I believe the situation is a relationship with the girl's mother (the flute player). I think the days "countdown" refers to the days until the two got married (or something along those lines). About what was written in the diary, I think it's some sort of game the girl played with the "child"

Now, the "shadow girl" didn't expect the DB to come. The whole "crime scene" (potato chips on the floor and the mess in the kitchen) seemed to have been prepared beforehand (more than an hour according to Conan and the pages with wine stains), and was most likely meant for the girl's mother and the "child", or just for the "child". After all, the girl seems to be the only one in the house beside the DB.

Why would she refer to that violin player as a "child"? If he is younger than her mother, the girl might think it's fine to refer to him like that, or a better explanation, if the man is less skilled than the girl's mother or is playing less years, her mother might have refered to him as a child (child in abilities compared to her), and her daughter got stuck with the refrence (she's just a child after all). In my college, I'm the youngest person (everyone else is after the army, so the youngest person after me can only be 20 years old, and I'm 18), and I and some other students always joke about this fact, some also think I'm too young to play with them, and I've seen other cases of a student calling another student a "child" (that other student started 3 years ago when she was 17). Music (whether is Jazz or classic) are very similiar in many cultures (obviously), so it's very likely.

Any thing related to "death" is most likely not related to death, but to other things (be it related to music or the videogame)

In any case, the things that are obvious to me:
1) the "shadowman" is the girl from the picture
2) There is no actual crime.

What I didn't figure out though, was if the OOT note had anything to do with the case (it had its importance though to solve the mystery), and if the Air on the G String had any importantce (besides the "100 years after Bach died" refrence).
Maybe I'll play it with my flute and post it later on YouTube  8) (my brother played it on trumpet when he was in ninth, and it's not hard)

Well, I think that's everything. Now I'm gonna see what Chekhov wrote and see how many stuff I got wrong. (hopefully I won't forget about it again  )

Just to point out, according to my source, some of Gosho's sheet music are wrong. It could be though that we both have different sheets.......or Gosho sucks 

[Renzy]

What bothers me is the number agreement.

"They are an extraordinary genius..." They are AN ...GENIUS?

For this sentence to make sense, it should be He/She is an...or They are...GENIUSES. So something is definitely off, but I'm not sure what Conan means by his use of plural pronouns. Maybe two people are working together to play a piece? Im not sure...

[GinRei]

What bothers me is the number agreement.

"They are an extraordinary genius..." They are AN ...GENIUS?

For this sentence to make sense, it should be He/She is an...or They are...GENIUSES. So something is definitely off, but I'm not sure what Conan means by his use of plural pronouns. Maybe two people are working together to play a piece? Im not sure...

They is being used as a non-gender specific pronoun.  It's the third dictionary use of the word:

3. (used with an indefinite singular antecedent in place of the definite masculine he or the definite feminine she)

The only other non-gender specific word that can be used is "it", which is generally seen as incredibly rude to refer to a person as.

[Abs.]

The only other non-gender specific word that can be used is "it", which is generally seen as incredibly rude to refer to a person as.

If we used "it," folks would assume the suspected cat/dog was the piano player. 

[Akonyl]

The only other non-gender specific word that can be used is "it", which is generally seen as incredibly rude to refer to a person as.

If we used "it," folks would assume the suspected cat/dog was the piano player.   :(

cats playing the paino, you say?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ860P4iTaM
(not keyboard cat)

[Misztina]

I'm so glad that my language is similiar to Japanese, or rather we don't have he or she only the non-gender specific word. Makes the translations so much easier. ^.^

Kor:
About the piano chair. I may have misunderstood this scene, but I thought that first the seat was adjusted to a little girl's height, but then when Conan set on it, it was "out-of-height" or him. Since Conan is sort of as tall as Ayumi, this means that someone changed the seat's height. Conan in tha position would have had difficulties to play the piano, therefore a higher person must have played on the piano for a while. This also means that when the DB were lured to the house, no one was playing the piano, but a recording from that specific piano's play was played.
So the shadow person is obviously not a little girl.

[Abs.]

Conan's a shrimp.

[Misztina]

Conan's a shrimp.

Spoiler:

[Kor]

Kor:
About the piano chair. I may have misunderstood this scene, but I thought that first the seat was adjusted to a little girl's height, but then when Conan set on it, it was "out-of-height" or him. Since Conan is sort of as tall as Ayumi, this means that someone changed the seat's height. Conan in tha position would have had difficulties to play the piano, therefore a higher person must have played on the piano for a while.

hmm...yeah you're probably correct, and I was the one who misunderstood it.

This also means that when the DB were lured to the house, no one was playing the piano, but a recording from that specific piano's play was played.
So the shadow person is obviously not a little girl.

Actually, I think it's the other way around. As Conan said, there was an OOT note in the piano which was also when someone played (in the first file). When the DB entered the house, the chair fitted to Ayumi, so the one who played on the piano should have been the little girl.
As was noted by Conan, when the music was played in the second file, there was no OOT note, therefore the piano wasn't played at, and it was a CD playing. I think the girl just changed the height of the seat to make it seem like someone else played on the piano.

edit: Chekhov's theory has many similarities to mine (at least regarding the girl being the shadow man).

If I'm correct about the girl pulling the prank......what are the odds of her becoming a new member of the Detective Boys? Just a wishful thinking I guess. (and if it happens...it means a lot of upcoming DB cases and the manga dragging even more)

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

I wonder if the diary could be talking about divorce proceedings between the parents hence the diary talking about one child being alone and the place setting is for one adult rather than two.

I made a model of the diary and messed around with it. I made the following observations.
•The diary only makes sense if read in Western order. It doesn't work if you try to rearrange the pages to read right to left.
•Because the diary is stapled in the middle, in order for the pages on the fore edge of the book to be flat, the outermost pages are slightly wider than the inner pages. Removing a page will cause the all the pages "outer" to the removed page to stick up a small amount creating a slight discontinuity at the place of the page removal. Inserting an outer page where an inner page should be will cause just that page to stick up.

║║║║║║
║║║║║║
║║║║║║
║║╚╝║║
║╚══╝║
╚════╝

I still stand by the theory that it was a page removed rather than a page inserted, although the art would imply a page was inserted because I could not think of any way the diary would make sense if a page was inserted.
•Unfortunately from the text it isn't clear which part of the diary the page that sticks up corresponds to. Conan thinks "and two of the pages are sticking out from the edge. On the page after the one that was sticking out, there's traces of something having being written." Due to western vs eastern reading order, after could mean the one page to the "left" (eastern) or one page to the right (western).

I'm also revising my theory about the stain in the diary per something Abs. pointed out.
Also, Conan noted the stains are near but not exact mirror images, meaning the spill was done on one page and then the diary was closed, transferring the spill to the other page. Conan then noticed it was wet once again. Earlier, when the girl wasn't around, the boy spilled the wine in the diary while making the map and shut it. Later after it had dried, the girl went back to get the map for the boy and neatly pried apart the staples and began removing pages to get to the map. In the process she noted the diary, read it, then peeled apart the stained pages to finish reading it. Presumably she took it as a threat like the DB did. She then removed the one page so the writer of the diary wouldn't know about the map and thus that she/the boy had read it, reapplied wine and stuck the pages back together again so it was how she found it.

Edit: for the full solution attempt which is likely full of Fail click here.

[soratothamax]

I'm so glad that my language is similiar to Japanese, or rather we don't have he or she only the non-gender specific word. Makes the translations so much easier. ^.^

Kor:
About the piano chair. I may have misunderstood this scene, but I thought that first the seat was adjusted to a little girl's height, but then when Conan set on it, it was "out-of-height" or him. Since Conan is sort of as tall as Ayumi, this means that someone changed the seat's height. Conan in tha position would have had difficulties to play the piano, therefore a higher person must have played on the piano for a while. This also means that when the DB were lured to the house, no one was playing the piano, but a recording from that specific piano's play was played.
So the shadow person is obviously not a little girl.

I was thinking about this too. The stool was the perfect size for a little girl...but wasn't a CD player playing the music? Maybe the first time a little girl was playing the piano, but the second time they ran in, it was the CD player, and no one was playing it. Also, what child would remember to lower their seat? Not many...And do you think that a girl carried all the DBoys backpacks off somewhere? I wonder how heavy those backpacks were...of course it depends on how old the girl is now.

And I can't stop thinking about what's under that piano...

Also another thing that gets me. I don't believe a little girl wrote that notebook. The word use is too adult for a child to use. A little girl wouldn't use phrases like "I'm reviewing the child prodigies of the past...". That's definitely not something a little girl would say. So the notebook was written by someone else.

I still stand by the theory that it was a page removed rather than a page inserted, although the art would imply a page was inserted because I could not think of any way the diary would make sense if a page was inserted.
•Unfortunately from the text it isn't clear which part of the diary the page that sticks up corresponds to. Conan thinks "and two of the pages are sticking out from the edge. On the page after the one that was sticking out, there's traces of something having being written." Due to western vs eastern reading order, after could mean the one page to the "left" (eastern) or one page to the right (western).

I agree with this theory. I think a page was removed. The only page that might have been drawn on was the Monster Getter map page, and the child could've been tearing out the pages he/she drew on. Possibly the child used the journal to draw the maps from the game. OR the maps could represent the keys or musical notes on the musical piece or piano....

But why would the child run hot water? How did the picture get there? Who is paying the utilities in the house? Who is cleaning up? Who was drinking wine? Certainly not a child. Who left the wine and notebook on the table? And why is this person entering and exiting the music room and constantly playing the music?

What was the purpose of the coffin and the shovel? why was the front door unlocked?

[caribou]

I agree that the shadow person is the little girl! she probably adjusted the chair to her height when she was playing, but because she wanted the DB to think that it was an adult in the house, she later went back to lower it when she turned on the CD player.

i'm not denying that there is normally an adult to keep the house in order, but the adult is probably away at the moment.

i can't make head or tail of the diary though, the divorce idea is very interesting! (if you could explain how the entries would correspond to a divorce though, Chekhov, that would be marvellous)
Like soratothamax i'm also doubting that the diary was written by a child though. (then again, the kid is a prodigy. lol)

sudden random thought: WHAT IF THE KID IS YET ANOTHER VICTIM OF APTX