Discussion thread: Detective Conan 1000-1005

[DCUniverseAficionado]

...maybe she can't do much in her child form, but can fight in her adult form...

Don't know about that... Detective of Souls (951–953/863–864) showed us pretty clearly that even with a 12-15 year old body, she's still got the physical prowess of, as Shinichi/Conan described, "a secret service agent."

There's still the matter of her constant coughing that needs to be addressed—maybe that's what she's concerned about.

[ShadowNeo]

...maybe she can't do much in her child form, but can fight in her adult form...

Don't know about that... Detective of Souls (951–953/863–864) showed us pretty clearly that even with a 12-15 year old body, she's still got the physical prowess of, as Shinichi/Conan described, "a secret service agent."

There's still the matter of her constant coughing that needs to be addressed—maybe that's what she's concerned about.

Well what I wanted to point out is that she maybe lost some percentage of her strength/abilities, which would mean even tho she knocked out that one guy, she could not knock out BO (because they're trained better or something). She might have some power, but would have more as an adult.

[Nemomon]

...maybe she can't do much in her child form, but can fight in her adult form...

Don't know about that... Detective of Souls (951–953/863–864) showed us pretty clearly that even with a 12-15 year old body, she's still got the physical prowess of, as Shinichi/Conan described, "a secret service agent."

There's still the matter of her constant coughing that needs to be addressed—maybe that's what she's concerned about.

Well what I wanted to point out is that she maybe lost some percentage of her strength/abilities, which would mean even tho she knocked out that one guy, she could not knock out BO (because they're trained better or something). She might have some power, but would have more as an adult.

Doubtful. In the Soul Detective she indeed knocked out a single guy. But the BO is not a single guy, it's an army of guys that have access to bombs, guns and other dangerous stuff. She alone would not stand a chance against them. Nec Hercules contra plures.

[blackmoon]

File 1005 looks very promising. It's completely out of the blue. Judging from the chapter, my ratings of the identities have drastically changed. It looks like this:

1. Rumi: Asaka (80%), secret agent like MI6, etc (20%), Rum (0%)

2. Wakita: Definitely involved in the plot with the use of phone this time. He's 100% NOT Eisuke 2.0, appeared and plunged into oblivion. My bet on this character is; BO member but NOT Rum (85%), Rum (3%), and a random bad guy (12%)

3. Kuroda: Tsutomu's friend (75%), Tsutomu (0%) since I think Tsutomu is dead already, Rum (0%), Asaka (0%) and secret agent (25%) like Ethan's friend but he's definitely NOT a regular police officer. I think he's Tsutomu's friend because he was involved with the aftermath of Kouji case.

4. Mary: Asaka (15%), Rum (0%), MI6 (85%). I say she could still have 15% chance of being Asaka is because Asaka looks female, and she could totally look like that, or undergoing some drug to look as young as the real Asaka in the picture. She's like 55 now, so 17 years ago she's around 35-38 I assume....We haven't seen Asaka's upper part of the face, so, we can't be 100% sure on this.

5. Iori: Rum (0%), random bad guy (90%) and a grey char like Bourbon (10%). Not exactly like Bourbon, but has controversial behaviors all around.

That's my take on the situation.

Oh, percentage polls! So fun!
So... you can have your take and we could make our take.
1. Rumi: Possible BO agent related to but not RUM like Curaçao in the movie (60%) since she had access to the APTX 4869 death list which is available to BO only, Rum (1%) well still possible..., Asaka (30%), Police investigator (9%)

2. Wakita: Possible BO agent (30%), Just a random curious person into deduction (69%), Rum (1%)

3. Kuroda: Tsutomu in disguise (5%), Tsutomu's friend (25%), Possible BO agent undercover in police force (35%), RUM (30%), just who he was awaken from coma (5%). It's not likely for a person's hair to turn all white just overnight ya know.

4. Mary: Possible BO agent (30%), RUM (1%), Asaka (30%), secret agent (39%). Not much to be said here except she warned Sera that Conan is not what he was and to beware of him. Why would a good citizen need to beware of young detective Conan? Hmm... is her record clean? And she wanting to make a move on revenge after getting the antidote? Even more suspicious.

5. Iori: Just what he is, butler (45%), RUM (1%), secret agent (34%), possible BO agent (20%). Seems like his deduction skill still relies a lot on his "master mistress" so can't be a big fish.

[Spimer]

Shonen Sunday teaser for next issue:

WARNING: magazine teaser. Not word of Gosho. It can be over-exaggerated. Don't take it for granted.

Spoiler:

"Conan ended the great uproar that the school trip was safely but it'd seem that returning to Shinichi was no small sacrifice...? Pay a lot of attention to the next, new chapter!!!"

[Incomplete-tantei]

Well if they're saying that, isn't it because they were informed by Gosho or his assistants ? Anyway, the side lines read "next time, new developments" so I guess next file is going to be plot-related. (Again the side lines at the end of chapters are apparently not written by Gosho, but it's because Gosho himself informed his assistants, otherwise they wouldn't have written something like that)

[Spimer]

No. The editors get the next chapter ahead of time to be able to edit the magazine.

And since they've seen the next chapter they can write these teasers.

So Gosho and his assistants are unrelated, it's the Shonen Sunday editors.

[ShuichiSera28]

Just a thought Conan does have one more antidote so maybe Conan uses the the last antidote and uses kind of plan to trick the BO to think he's dead again like Conan tricked the BO to think Ai was dead during the Mystery Train. I mean I'm just throwing things out there.

[ShinConan]

I don't think Okita the Shinichi look-a-like was introduced for no reason other than romance. I bet he's going to have some sort of role in fooling the BO, that is IF Conan decides to trick the BO instead of straight out confronting them.

[K.O.R.N]

Oh, percentage polls! So fun!
So... you can have your take and we could make our take.
1. Rumi: Possible BO agent related to but not RUM like Curaçao in the movie (60%) since she had access to the APTX 4869 death list which is available to BO only, Rum (1%) well still possible..., Asaka (30%), Police investigator (9%)

2. Wakita: Possible BO agent (30%), Just a random curious person into deduction (69%), Rum (1%)

3. Kuroda: Tsutomu in disguise (5%), Tsutomu's friend (25%), Possible BO agent undercover in police force (35%), RUM (30%), just who he was awaken from coma (5%). It's not likely for a person's hair to turn all white just overnight ya know.

4. Mary: Possible BO agent (30%), RUM (1%), Asaka (30%), secret agent (39%). Not much to be said here except she warned Sera that Conan is not what he was and to beware of him. Why would a good citizen need to beware of young detective Conan? Hmm... is her record clean? And she wanting to make a move on revenge after getting the antidote? Even more suspicious.

5. Iori: Just what he is, butler (45%), RUM (1%), secret agent (34%), possible BO agent (20%). Seems like his deduction skill still relies a lot on his "master mistress" so can't be a big fish.

You can hardly call a person like Wakita, who wants to be Kogoro's apprentice AND looking at the news and thinking "Shinichi" to be just a random person here. It's hard to ignore Wakita's possible role of a "filler character" at this point with this development. And also, 3 Rum suspects are included in one page. That could either narrow down who Rum is, among these 3, or, at least, some important role that these 3 play, including Wakita.

[dccd]

One little thing (which might be complete wrong)
Someone pointed out that the phone on P15(last pic) and P16 might be different.
What actually is different is the hand/finger position of the holder.
Its pretty obvious if you compare the pictures.

I dunno if this is intentional or just meaningless, but I guess you understand what this might mean.

[Dr-anime]

I’m definitly happy with the development going on, I’ll accept the fact that Shinichi messed up his hiding for a high school trip since it had the effect I wished for on the story ( I mean him solving a case and everyone hears about it ).

So satisfied with Wakita confirmed as an important character because Gosho never used filler character as a suspect for important character , I mean they usually end up related to the plot anyway wether in cool way or not and I think Wakita is cool charcter and finally have some evil in his blood like Gin & Vodka ( sorry Bourbon you are not even close to scary or heartless ).
So I’m really excited for Wakita whatever his role is which is probably the evil side unlike Rumi and Kuroda which clearly are the good characters here :/
And definitely the BO heard about Shinichi is alive even if RUM didn’t tell them as it came out big so it’s nice too.

Although the plot seems like it’s developing fast now I don’t trust Gosho that we are near the end in anyway , so I hope Conan will not be able to solve this with a trick or something , because I always think Gosho will make Conan take down the BO stealthily with his kid innocent form so I hope they will at least be aware he’s alive and look for him while Conan is safe with his form kind of plot ( please ! it’s been too peaceful for decades )

Rumi definity is Asaka, the way she tested Conan skills means she’s new to him but I wonder how did she know about Conan being smart ( I don’t think she knows he’s Shinichi though , because you don’t have to test Shinichi's detective skills )

Kuroda I hope he’s the final character helping Conan at the final stage with the police forces and not some trustful character who will disappear later

[ShadowNeo]

I’m definitly happy with the development going on, I’ll accept the fact that Shinichi messed up his hiding for a high school trip since it had the effect I wished for on the story ( I mean him solving a case and everyone hears about it ).

So satisfied with Wakita confirmed as an important character because Gosho never used filler character as a suspect for important character , I mean they usually end up related to the plot anyway wether in cool way or not and I think Wakita is cool charcter and finally have some evil in his blood like Gin & Vodka ( sorry Bourbon you are not even close to scary or heartless ).
So I’m really excited for Wakita whatever his role is which is probably the evil side unlike Rumi and Kuroda which clearly are the good characters here :/
And definitely the BO heard about Shinichi is alive even if RUM didn’t tell them as it came out big so it’s nice too.

Although the plot seems like it’s developing fast now I don’t trust Gosho that we are near the end in anyway , so I hope Conan will not be able to solve this with a trick or something , because I always think Gosho will make Conan take down the BO stealthily with his kid innocent form so I hope they will at least be aware he’s alive and look for him while Conan is safe with his form kind of plot ( please ! it’s been too peaceful for decades )

Rumi definity is Asaka, the way she tested Conan skills means she’s new to him but I wonder how did she know about Conan being smart ( I don’t think she knows he’s Shinichi though , because you don’t have to test Shinichi's detective skills )

Kuroda I hope he’s the final character helping Conan at the final stage with the police forces and not some trustful character who will disappear later

Why is Rumi "definity" Asaka? I mean... you didn't even reason it (with an acceptable reason/evidence)?! Also what do you want point out with "because you don't have to test Shinichi's detective skills"? Explain yourself, thanks.

[Dr-anime]

Spoiler:

I’m definitly happy with the development going on, I’ll accept the fact that Shinichi messed up his hiding for a high school trip since it had the effect I wished for on the story ( I mean him solving a case and everyone hears about it ).

So satisfied with Wakita confirmed as an important character because Gosho never used filler character as a suspect for important character , I mean they usually end up related to the plot anyway wether in cool way or not and I think Wakita is cool charcter and finally have some evil in his blood like Gin & Vodka ( sorry Bourbon you are not even close to scary or heartless ).
So I’m really excited for Wakita whatever his role is which is probably the evil side unlike Rumi and Kuroda which clearly are the good characters here :/
And definitely the BO heard about Shinichi is alive even if RUM didn’t tell them as it came out big so it’s nice too.

Although the plot seems like it’s developing fast now I don’t trust Gosho that we are near the end in anyway , so I hope Conan will not be able to solve this with a trick or something , because I always think Gosho will make Conan take down the BO stealthily with his kid innocent form so I hope they will at least be aware he’s alive and look for him while Conan is safe with his form kind of plot ( please ! it’s been too peaceful for decades )

Rumi definity is Asaka, the way she tested Conan skills means she’s new to him but I wonder how did she know about Conan being smart ( I don’t think she knows he’s Shinichi though , because you don’t have to test Shinichi's detective skills )

Kuroda I hope he’s the final character helping Conan at the final stage with the police forces and not some trustful character who will disappear later

Why is Rumi "definity" Asaka? I mean... you didn't even reason it (with an acceptable reason/evidence)?! Also what do you want point out with "because you don't have to test Shinichi's detective skills"? Explain yourself, thanks.

Sorry I’m not someone who could write the best theories , I’m merely pointing out my opinion

I think Asaka is Rumi because Gosho doesn’t cheat with his hints or make them extra shocking , first Asaka blurred picture and the long hair feels similar to Rumi , 2nd all the wounds on Rumi’s bodies and her fighting skills point out she went through serious fight in the past , 3rd the fact that Asaka probably ran away after a fight with RUM and was blamed for the death means she/he needs to uncover the truth of that day and he/she has no detective skills since it wasn’t solved for 17 years so Rumi is approaching a detective for help unlike Wakita or Kuroda who didn’t approach a detective with a buzzle ..

As I told you it’s not solid evidences it’s just a feeling , and by exclusion from the latest suspicious characters - their figure , their age ( can’t belive Kuroda or Wakita would be on Rum , distressed for being wrongly accused , or worked as a bodyguard with feminine hair and small hand in the blurred pic )

Nor I would think Rumi is RUM , second in command who probably started the organization with the boss , and another Vermouth version of the organization !

As for testing Shinichi skills , I never thought of Rumi as Vermouth because she tested Conan's detective skills and even helped him at the beginning with a hint so he would solve the case ( she solved the case first and tested Conan with it ) , Vermouth never help Shinichi to solve mysteries or even hint for him , she knows he’s already smarter then her / trust him enough that he will find the answer anyway so it’s not Vermouth's way of doing things around Conan ..

rumi doesn’t trust conan skills that much , i wonder if she knew it’s actually the famous shinchi in kid form would she still test him and give him hints , okay she could test him with the case but hard to believe she would help the already famous detective with a hint ( but then it should be unbelievable for her that a first grade schooler is that smart ! )

maybe she knows about mary shrinkage and knows that the kid could be shrunk too but doesn’t know he’s shinchi ( although i think it’s too much if asaka knows there’s two shrunken human while the BO isn’t aware )

well as u notice i’m just saying , no solid evidence involved

[Meitanti-San]

"I think Asaka is Rumi because Gosho doesn’t cheat with his hints or make them extra shocking "

I think it's funny that you mention "cheat" because the Rum Arc started with Agasa's "trick" that turns out to be cheating.