Discussion thread: Detective Conan 1000-1005

[Spimer]

Spoiler:

Gosho already said in Animal Crossing that the case would end in file 1005.

I guess that the next thing the group will do will be going to the location suggested by Okita (Tenmanguu in Kitano).

[DCUniverseAficionado]

Spoiler:

Gosho already said in Animal Crossing that the case would end in file 1005.

I guess that the next thing the group will do will be going to the location suggested by Okita (Tenmanguu in Kitano).

Spoiler:

True, but since Page 1 of File 1,004 says "Series File 5" at the top, instead of "Series Resolution," I thought it would remove any remaining doubt, so I brought it up.

[eros1607]

For a milestone like chap 1000, this thread is actually too quiet. I remembered some of the big arcs (Mistery train, scarlet...) had more than 80 pages. Even the betrayal arcs (chap 954-957) also had 17 pages and the beach arc (chap 972-974) had 20 pages.

[Kor]

For a milestone like chap 1000, this thread is actually too quiet. I remembered some of the big arcs (Mistery train, scarlet...) had more than 80 pages. Even the betrayal arcs (chap 954-957) also had 17 pages and the beach arc (chap 972-974) had 20 pages.

Yes, I made a note of that in the cbox a few days ago. I'd say it's a combination of several elements:
The forum in general is less active than it was in the past.
It took quite a while, but other solid communities formed in other platforms (tumblr, discord, etc.), which wasn't really the case back during and before Scarlet. Younger or newer viewers may be attracted more to these more newer platforms for one reason or the other. Forums are (for lack of a better term) old. They're the stuff of the former decade, not the current one. Not to say that there aren't still extremely active forums, or that forums can't survive (for the time being, this one does at least), but younger fans may be attracted to the younger platforms.
Lastly, there just wasn't that much of enthusiasm from people here about this field trip in the first place. Not to mention that we knew months ahead about this field trip thing, so any novelty it could have had has already worn off by the time the case finally happened (and there were many breaks this year so far. We'll barely get over 30 chapters in 2017 as things currently go). Plus even if you didn't happen to know about the field trip months ahead, you got two mediocre cases preluding the field trip, so you knew where the wind's gonna go either way.
It's also familiar territory and we've seen it already when it happened in London (though then it was muuuuuch longer). Even though it's risky, Shinichi uses a bunch of pills so he can indulge and travel to some place with Ran. You may add in Heiji and Sera and that chick from Conan-Movie-21-Please-Buy-It-When-It-Comes-Out-On-DVD and her silly butler, but it's all still very samey, and I wouldn't at all be surprised if around chapter 1250 (or maybe even before that) we will once again see Conan turning into Shinichi so he can travel somewhere with Ran and the two can progress to their next step of their relationship - holding hands.

[eros1607]

For a milestone like chap 1000, this thread is actually too quiet. I remembered some of the big arcs (Mistery train, scarlet...) had more than 80 pages. Even the betrayal arcs (chap 954-957) also had 17 pages and the beach arc (chap 972-974) had 20 pages.

Yes, I made a note of that in the cbox a few days ago. I'd say it's a combination of several elements:
The forum in general is less active than it was in the past.
It took quite a while, but other solid communities formed in other platforms (tumblr, discord, etc.), which wasn't really the case back during and before Scarlet. Younger or newer viewers may be attracted more to these more newer platforms for one reason or the other. Forums are (for lack of a better term) old. They're the stuff of the former decade, not the current one. Not to say that there aren't still extremely active forums, or that forums can't survive (for the time being, this one does at least), but younger fans may be attracted to the younger platforms.
Lastly, there just wasn't that much of enthusiasm from people here about this field trip in the first place. Not to mention that we knew months ahead about this field trip thing, so any novelty it could have had has already worn off by the time the case finally happened (and there were many breaks this year so far. We'll barely get over 30 chapters in 2017 as things currently go). Plus even if you didn't happen to know about the field trip months ahead, you got two mediocre cases preluding the field trip, so you knew where the wind's gonna go either way.
It's also familiar territory and we've seen it already when it happened in London (though then it was muuuuuch longer). Even though it's risky, Shinichi uses a bunch of pills so he can indulge and travel to some place with Ran. You may add in Heiji and Sera and that chick from Conan-Movie-21-Please-Buy-It-When-It-Comes-Out-On-DVD and her silly butler, but it's all still very samey, and I wouldn't at all be surprised if around chapter 1250 (or maybe even before that) we will once again see Conan turning into Shinichi so he can travel somewhere with Ran and the two can progress to their next step of their relationship - holding hands.

If a mediocre case (important though) like the beach arc can get 20 pages last year but this case get this number of discussions just shows that chap 1000 so far is a disappointment for non Shin-Ran lovers. The number of discussions on reddit and discord for betrayal and beach arc are also both higher. For a milestones, it's actually sad. Just hope that after this case (and all the breaks as well) we can get something more interesting.

[DCUniverseAficionado]

I wouldn't at all be surprised if around chapter 1250 (or maybe even before that) we will once again see Conan turning into Shinichi so he can travel somewhere with Ran and the two can progress to their next step of their relationship - holding hands.

Well, at least you didn't say File 2,005... but I guess, then, by your estimate, we can expect them to *shocked gasp* hold hands in 2024!

[Nemomon]

From my perspective the only good thing in this case is Sera noticing how Shinichi and Conan act in exactly the same way. If only Sera had enough willpower to tell Shinichi straight that she knows that he's Conan, then I would say that there was a reason for this case to even exist. But like always, she probably won't say a single word about that, she will only keep smirking, and the milestone case will end up being nothing interesting at all.

[eros1607]

From my perspective the only good thing in this case is Sera noticing how Shinichi and Conan act in exactly the same way. If only Sera had enough willpower to tell Shinichi straight that she knows that he's Conan, then I would say that there was a reason for this case to even exist. But like always, she probably won't say a single word about that, she will only keep smirking, and the milestone case will end up being nothing interesting at all.

At least now we know that Shin-Ran has become official lol so that Gosho will focus on something else for a while, even it's just about small progressing with Sera stuff. It's will be best to go back to Rum stuff after a very long time already. A milestone is just a number. I just hope he will not spend too much time with the weird Momiji.

[Antiyonder]

So your suggestion is she's only his favorite because of the status quo? That he's just a selfish parent?

I can't see her personality changing too much, should she find out... so, after that, what would change about her that would make him suddenly decide she's not his favorite, anymore? That's why I don't buy this assertion. Just this year, we've had her twice (986 and 993) pull what she pulled in File 5/Episode 2, when she first knocked a culprit's teeth out—that part of her, at least, is still the same—Gosho's still having her do that, at least. It's why I look forward to the ultimate climax—I can see her bookending her moment at the beginning (File 5/Episode 2) with one at the end, on a BO member... I'm hoping it's Gin, or someone of comparable rank, in the BO.

Well yeah.

1. Because her finding out would mean a severe increase in her being active rather than just some exceptional moments.

2. Lets face it. The longer you settle into a routine, the more you have to put effort into doing something new. Heck even if he did it 500 cases sooner I imagine he'd have to accustom himself to a more frequently changing dynamic/role for the character. I mean we got some change in the middle of say the 500s, the Shiragami and London arc would be greatly altered by that though I've often thought of ways to make them significant and in an arguably more powerful way.

3. And while I have pointed out how Ran being brought into the fold actually opens up new story telling material for when he wants to have something interesting outside of the BO cases, I sometimes think Gosho either doesn't realize the gains of said development, or just focuses more on what he would no longer be able to do which is basically various rehashes (like the ironic humor of Ran wondering where Shinichi is when he's with her as Conan, or stories where Conan turns back into Shinichi but has to leave before Ran finds out his secret or possible suspicion arcs for the future).

[Oxynou]

For a milestone like chap 1000, this thread is actually too quiet. I remembered some of the big arcs (Mistery train, scarlet...) had more than 80 pages. Even the betrayal arcs (chap 954-957) also had 17 pages and the beach arc (chap 972-974) had 20 pages.

Spoiler:

The fact that shinichi appeared on television could maybe deliver a big BO case, which would for sure awaken the community. Let's see this case like the prologue of a whole new arc. Also, it reminds me that if Shiho's face wasn't filmed by Mitsuhiko ,the whole mystery train case wouldn't have happened.

[irishock]

People checked out when it was revealed to be a love comedy featuring a couple that isn't exactly the most popular (at least on this site).

The beach arc and the 3 straight cases in the 950's generated a ton of discussion because it felt like the plot was finally moving

[DCUniverseAficionado]

People checked out when it was revealed to be a love comedy featuring a couple that isn't exactly the most popular (at least on this site).

The beach arc and the 3 straight cases in the 950's generated a ton of discussion because it felt like the plot was finally moving

Or at least for those who comment/post in the Story Discussion thread.

So we had the plot seem to move starting with File 947, and what was 25 Files after that? File 972, the start of the Ripples case. As of the latest File (1,004), it's been 50 files since we got the Scotch flashback case, the events of which were initiated by the Koji Haneda case... so I'd say, given my rule that (around/approximately, at least) every 25 and/or every 50 files, something noteworthy (IMO, at least—see below for what I mean) happens, I'd say we're gonna get something soon.

Spoiler:

Gonna have this in a spoiler box so this post won't be that big/long unless someone opens this.

The Hatamoto Family Luxury Liner Serial Murders (Volume 3, File 20–File 25)
The Kidnapping of Conan Edogawa (Volume 5, File 49–File 50 and Volume 6, File 51)
The Night Baron Murder (Volume 8, File 72–File 77)
The Great Detective of the West Appears (Volume 10, File 92–File 96)
Encounter with the Black Organization (Volume 12, File 114–File 116)
Murder at the Ski Lodge (Volume 14, File 139–File 140 and Volume 15, File 141–File 143)
Conan Vs. Kaitou Kid (Volume 16, File 156–File 159)
A New Student (Volume 18, File 176–File 178)
Shinichi Kudo's First Case (Volume 21, File 204–File 207)
The Cruise Ship Symphony Serial Murder Case (Volume 23, File 225–File 230)
The Desperate Revival (Volume 26, File 254–File 257)
The Mysterious Passenger (Volume 29, File 287–File 289)
The Tiger Scroll and Toyotomi's Castle (Volume 31, File 317 and Volume 32, File 318–File 321)
Deja Vu in the Rain (Volume 34, File 347–File 349)
The Dark Footprints of a Silent Witness (Volume 37, File 377–File 379)
Ginko-Colored First Love (Volume 40, File 410–File 412)
Dual Mysteries on a Full-Moon Night (Volume 42, File 429–File 434)
Miracle at Koshien Ball Park (Volume 43, File 445–File 446 and Volume 44, File 447–File 449)
The Dissonance of the Stradivarius (Volume 46, File 470–File 474)
Black Impact (Volume 48, File 499–File 500 and Volume 49, File 501–File 504)
Deduction Battle on the Ski Slope (Volume 50, File 518–File 521 and Volume 51, File 522)
The Young Witness and the Giant Hammer (Volume 53, File 550–File 552)
Whereabouts of the Missing Photograph (Volume 56, File 582–File 584)
The Magic Spell of Friday the 13th (Volume 58, File 605–File 608 and Volume 59, File 609)
Kaitou Kid and the Purple Nail (Volume 61, File 631–File 634)
What She Truly Wants to Ask (Volume 62, File 652 and Volume 63, File 653–File 654)
Detective Boys Vs Robbers (Volume 65, File 677–File 679)
Tomorrow is There (Volume 67, File 699)
Ryoma's Treasure (Volume 70, File 731–File 733)
Holmes' Revelation (Volume 71, File 743–File 751 and Volume 72, File 752)
The Besieged Detective Agency (Volume 73, File 771–File 773 and Volume 74, File 774)
Detectives’ Nocturne (Volume 76, File 796–File 800)
The Shadow Approaching Haibara's Secret (Volume 77, File 815–File 817)
The Cherry Blossom Viewing Trap (Volume 80, File 850 and Volume 81, File 851–File 852)
The Tragedy of the Red Woman (Volume 82, File 872 and Volume 83, File 873–File 875)
Scarlet Prologue (Volume 84, File 891–File 893)
The Woodpecker Murders of Kawanakajima (Volume 86, File 913–File 915 and Volume 87, File 916–File 917)
Shukichi’s Envelope (Volume 89, File 945–File 947)
Ripples (Volume 92, File 972–File 974)

And this is just one way to do it—and you may also want to look at the cases that immediately precede and immediately follow the ones listed—for instance, the case where Hyoe takes notice of Rumi due to her public take-down of Mr. Golfer culprit ended 25 files before the end of this case... and File 1,012–File 1,014 is 25 files after Rumi and Hyoe's encounter back in February.

[saorin]

If it ended up like that, the neverending, heartbreaking romance would finally end, and Gosho would finally move his attention from a romance that nobody even cares to the BO that everybody wants to see solved.

This sounds pretty disrepectful - both for the manga and part of its readership. You can safely take me out of your "nobody", because I *gasp* would like to see both plots resolved. ┐(´∀｀)┌

My initial post was what I think, not what others think.

Many of us seem to have a different concept of what "nobody" means...

Anyway, while I might be wrong on this, I didn't notice many people asking Gosho when Ran will accept Shinichi's proposal or how their relationship will evolve.

I've gotten quite the opposite impression, especially from Japanese Q&As. This might simply be due to reading on different sites. Probably shows that gut feeling can deceive and is a bad starting point for generalizations. Therefore, I am also not going to conjure assumptions like "the majority likes ShinRan". While I might even believe this might be true for the Japanese fandom, I do not believe this to apply to the worldwide fandom.

People checked out when it was revealed to be a love comedy featuring a couple that isn't exactly the most popular (at least on this site).

This almost reads like "nobody told me this would have elements of a love comedy lol". (While I assume that this is not what you originally meant.) It was part of the deal from the beginning and people knew what was coming. It was to be expected to come up to a certain extent at some milestone. Gosho was also always very upfront about that. I do understand if people are not interested in that part of the manga, but listening to people complain about this over and over again as if this would change anything about the way the manga was designed to be is just getting unnerving.

Also, I've gotten the impression (or this might be DCUniverseAficionado's optimism finally rubbing off) that this is actually a starting point for many good plot developments. With the density of hints, I am almost sure that Shinichi on TV will be addressed and I am also pretty sure Sera is gonna act on her newly-won hints (or confirmations) at a point in time not too far away (speaking in DC standards). And I am also not giving up on Ran's suspicions just because of

Spoiler:

the kiss.

We've gotten so many of Shinichi bloopers and Ran's "this is weird" impressions in the last 4 chapters that I am taking them at face value. I don't believe they just served comic relief - we've had enough of that already. This scene is not necessarily destroying her current (presumed) stance on the Shinichi-Conan situation and it can still be in-character.

So, while 1000+ might not have had that instant "boom", I am willing to believe that this is actually leading up to something and that 1000 will turn out to be the starting point for several developments that are gonna be interesting. I probably would have found it rather out of place if 1000 had been massive without proper buildup before that.

Also, I am very happy about file 1004 and I freely admit that. (´°ω°`)

[S.Vineyard]

There is also a issue, I kept thinking about during the last days.

Spoiler:

How will Shinchi cope with being permanently Conan again after the Kyoyo Trip?

Why?

- Minus the Nights, were he was Conan again, he has been Shinichi again for 2+ days. And this time not because of necessity and in secret.
Nope, for this 2 days he lived again the normal life he had before he was poisoned by Gin.

And after the trip he'd back to be Conan again, permanently. To be reminded again what the BO has taken from him, might actually sadden him.

Plus, now actually having a girlfriend and not being able to enjoy their new relationship (nope, not what you're thinking. ), but rather pretending to be her "little brother" again, might also be more difficult for him now.

Normally after Ran and Shinichi remeet, the former had to suffer when he suddenly had to disappear. Now, it's imo. more the opposite.

(It's not that Gosho pressed the reset button hard after the London Arc and the Love Confession. He actually gave explaination for why Ran had taken such much time to answer, plus made fun of it in universe with the Ran/Kazuha talk about the scar eyed inspector and his waifu collegue.)

@ Slip Ups: Yeah, pretending to be a kid for quite a long time did take it's toll. Reminds me of the "Ran-Nee Chan" Slip Up during the Desperate Revival. It became actually far more worse in Kyoto.

@Sera: Don't really think there will be an immidiate follow up. Remember that she's apparently still following Mary's orders, who is not trusting Conan.

[Haibara & Aika ryona]

And to tell you the truth mister Nemomon, even if he back to the BO story, then he will do a multi characters again without reason, and episodes that doesn't make any sense, andd make us wait, and then nothing important will happen

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As I said before, I am sure that after all your suggestions, and assumptions, there is nothing important will happen, but I will not say uncessary things. Just will say, let's hope one important thing will happen, and as I said Also, the story will be more than awful. We waited all the time after 450, but really nothing happened, just frustrating

I want it to finish as soon as possible. Nothing will happen that good will happen. I am sure that the events will be not just bad but it will be awful