Discussion thread: Detective Conan 1000-1005

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Iwamoto Yuri wrote:Him turning out good was certainly a downer, especially since he'd been hyped up as this big threat that turned out to be another ally thus giving Conan less reason to be on guard (and let's be honest, he's not tried actually hiding for ages now...). It was interesting to see him being close to a character obviously involved with the BO, and the fact we all thought he was bad made him 100% more interesting as a character, which was all lost because let's save the status quo I guess :V.
My dislike stems not only from him turning out good, though... I already disliked Akai because he felt overhyped and OP, but in Japan both of them are overhyped in a Rye vs Bourbon feud thanks to their animosity in the Manga and movies (which all stems from one of them misunderstanding what happened because he saw something from the wrong angle). That equates to them getting all the merch in the universe, including these absolutely gorgeous looking figurines while in the meantime Heiji still doesn't have an actual figurine AND SCREW THESE CHARACTERS I NEED THAT TO HAPPEN ASAP.
But it's mostly annoying to see them pitted against each other because of a stupid misunderstanding... If that's what his movie is going to be about then I'm not interested...
You're right. And I think that's intentional on Gosho's part. But again, it's a matter of just when it'll lead to something—be it with Ran, or even the BO.

Until Gosho decides it's time to stop setting up the pieces on the board and actually move them, that's what's gonna happen—again, it's wondering about exactly when he's gonna get to it.

Ah, so you're part of the group who doesn't care for Shuichi. I just hope you realize what turns you off when it comes to him does the opposite for others—you see overpowered, they see an intelligent bada$$ with a lot of history, ties and investment in the BO.

I also advise against the zero-sum view that Shuichi and Rei should lose their status so that Heiji can get a better status—that his gain can only come from their loss. Who says we can't have both? I'm a fan of all three of them! This trio has taken over, in terms of movies, since 2013 and Movie 17. They and Kaito/Kid II have made vaults of money for DC.

Movie 20 was more about that, given that the Scotch death flashback came out around that time. When I hear Movie 22 is about Rei/Toru/Bourbon, I don't think, "looks like more Shuichi/Rei grudge time!" I'm hoping for the rest his past, which features Jinpei Matsuda, Wataru Date, Scotch (still waiting for his real name) and Elena Miyano.

"Stupid misunderstandings" are vintage DC. They eventually lead to relentless remorse for those who feel they got screwed and lashed out, and, thus, development for them—we're eventually going to see that with Rei/Toru/Bourbon. They also provide a way out for those like Shuichi—they seem guilty, but actually aren't. And you know what?... the "stupid misunderstanding" that kicked off everything between them—Scotch's death—I found it to be really tragic. We were so close to, at minimum, potential MPD PSB and FBI team up, only for the wrong thing to happen at the wrong time, and a good man paid the price—and potential allies became anything but. So I am very much invested in seeing a resolution between Rye and Bourbon. They're not overhyped to me—and guess what?... if someone told me Heiji was overhyped, I'd contest that assertion, too. :)
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Hello everyone.

I have been a long time lurker and just now created an account I found this in a blog and wondering what you thought about it, it's the solution to the coded letters.

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Iwamoto Yuri wrote:
Eisuke was hated..
He was? I actually liked him, but only because he annoyed Conan. Annoyed Conan is good.
Yeah, he was, many fans I know (me included) didn't like him. Plus, the dominant rumor in the JP fandom is that Eisuke written out after his arc was concluded because he was too unpopular with the Japanese readership. Seems like there was quite a lot of contempt for the guy on both sides of the pond.
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Aahhh, I didn't know that, but then I don't think I was very active around the time of his introduction....

And as for the merch thing, that's just be being petty XD.
I don't really know what it is exactly about Akai that's turns me off, because I really liked his Subaru persona, but as Akai he just really annoyed me... Amuro was only interesting to be because he was a threat, now he's just another ally... it just gets dull in my opinion :v (you have every right to like them, though, I just don't).
As for them being overhyped, you've not seen how big these two are in Japan. There's literally team Amuro and team Akai merchandise, and if there's new stuff it has to feature those two.
I'm glad DC is doing well on that department, but it's starting to irk me how much these two need to be in everything (that is body pillows, full figurines, bath towels, plushies, phone charms, keychains, etc etc.). The entire fight scene on a ferris wheel in one of the more recent movies already annoyed me, but it's crazy to see how extremely popular those two are.
(Those figurines are still really pretty tho... Could pm The images of your want)
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This is a very interesting discussion, but it's a bit off-topic. ;)
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Ahh, sorry ^^'.
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Wakarimashita wrote:This is a very interesting discussion, but it's a bit off-topic. ;)
Iwamoto Yuri wrote:Ahh, sorry ^^'.
Likewise. :-[

In that case, should we just continue this bit off-topic discussion in PM? (Either way, I'm just being sure to get confirmation)

More on topic—more spoiler pics have come out for 1,003 since the first two came out.
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Spoiler:
I love that smirk on Sera's face when Shinichi said "Ah-le-le?" outloud ;D
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xLostChains wrote:
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I love that smirk on Sera's face when Shinichi said "Ah-le-le?" outloud ;D
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That's hilarious...
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saorin wrote:
DCUniverseAficionado wrote:
Iwamoto Yuri wrote:
Spoiler:
What is interesting, however, is Gosho making it clear that he might copy a lot of ideas from the movies and anime, so that still leaves me puzzled about what that means for the DC manga canon.
Spoiler:
I think of the movies as non-canon guidelines, for Gosho to take something he likes from the movies and have it play a role in the manga—make no mistake, though... the movies aren't canon. Characters that were created for movies may ascend into the manga canon, but you won't see the following events (even meetings between manga characters and not yet manga characters) referenced—not even broadly, let alone in specifics:
  • Teiji Moriya's anti-symmetrical bombings
    Aquacrystal and Shinichi/Conan shooting Ran in the leg to save her
    The Memories Egg and Kaito/Kaitou Kid II discovering Shinichi's/Conan's identity and stopping him from telling Ran
    Ran getting Retrograde amnesia and Shinichi/Conan then confessing to her at Tropical Land as they're shot at
    BO member/murdered traitor Yoshiaki Hara, the BO bombing the Tokiwa Twin Towers (due to his betrayal) and Gin nearly killing Sonoko (after mistaking her for Shiho/Sherry)
    10-year-old Hiroki Sawada uploading his consciousness to the net as he's driven to suicide by Jack the Ripper's descendant and Shinichi/Conan and co. getting stuck in a virtual reality Victorian London
    A man dressed as Benkei killing 5 people, leading to Inspector Fumimaro Ayanokoji meeting Shinichi/Conan and Heiji, ultimately leading to Shinichi posing as Heiji to try and save Kazuha
    Shinichi/Conan and Kaito/Kid II engage in a glider chase, then, alongside Ran, have to land a plane, as she confesses to the former, only to think, later, that she actually confessed to the latter
    A cruiseliner sinks, but not before Kogoro is able to solve the case himself and take down the culprit, who made use of another vengeful person and their efforts to increase the chances of their success
    Kaito/Kid II disguises as Saguru after coming across a group of three alumni of Crime Research Club of YOU turned criminals and aids Shinichi/Conan and Heiji in saving the others from wrist bombs as they obliviously enjoy Miracle Land
    Ran and Sonoko are abducted on Komi Island by two treasure hunters after Anne Bonny's and Mary Read's treasure, and Shinichi/Conan literally has to raise a ship to save them all
    Shinichi/Conan and soprano Reiko Akiba prevent the destruction of an entire music hall and prevents the culprit from completing their serial murder spree
    A BO memory card containing their NOC list is destroyed before Shinichi/Conan can get his hands on it, but his identity is not exposed by BO member Irish,
    and he manages to use his suspenders to leap down Tokyo Tower, and not only not die, but cause the BO helicopter trying to shoot him to crash
    A terrorist group hijacks Jirokichi's airship, only to be thwarted by Shinichi/Conan, though he can't get back at Kaito/Kid II for making Ran think that he was Shinichi
    Shinichi/Conan saves the MPD crew, Tokyo's governor and everyone on the Toto Line's first train and the entire village of Kitanosawa
    A former soccer player tries to blow up the J-league, but is stopped by suspenders and a power-enhanced shoe-assisted free kick
    The JSDF get an assist from Shinichi/Conan in stopping a Chinese spy, who gets an assist from Heiji, Kazuha, Shiho/Ai and Hiroshi
    Shuichi/Subaru intervenes to take down a Marine Corps Staff Sergeant, whose victims include Masumi (though, in her case, it wasn't lethal)
    Kaito/Kid II takes Shinichi's place in America and at Lake Rock to preserve Van Gogh's most famous works, also helping (the 61-year-old) Konosuke achieve closure on his WWII past
    Three NOCs inside the BO are killed and Rei's/Toru's/Bourbon's and Hidemi's/Rena's/Kir's cover are threatened after Rum's direct subordinate, Curaçao, gains access to the NPA Security Bureau's list of every intelligence agency's NOC agents, leading to a team up between Rei/Toru/Bourbon, Shuichi and Shinichi/Conan, during which they bring down a BO tiltrotor and prevent the ferris wheel at Toto aquarium from crushing thousands
and...
  • Nichuri TV is bombed, and members of the Satsuki Cup are attacked and killed, culminating in Shinichi/Conan and Heiji saving Kazuha and Momiji during the final Karuta match
In other words—Momiji and Ran met in both the manga and the movies, as did Fumimaro and Shinichi/Conan, but the specific circumstances of their movie meeting are different from the specific circumstances of their manga meeting. Again, guideline (broad, broad terms—two characters meet), not rule (specific terms—TV recording in Osaka Vs trip to Kyoto).
I laughed - thank you for this on-point summary :D :D it also got better the longer the list ran...

As for the current arc...
Spoiler:
judging from the spoiler pics for 1003, Shinichi seems to have solved the case.
But surely a 4-file case wouldn't be advertised by saying "a long case begins"?
5 file case is long enough....that is something over a month
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Aayukt Singh wrote: 5 file case is long enough....that is something over a month
That's why I made it a question - which DCUniverseAficionado already answered, so...
I already stood corrected, thanks.

I just feel like 5 files is not "long" under normal terms, but I see that it is for DC.
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After looking at the chinese file for chapter 1003...
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...I don't know why, but somehow I am more interested in the Ran-Okita thing happening there than the actual case. So from few translations given it looks like Shinichi knows the culprit and just needs some more evidence, which means the case is about to be closed. With that we will probably get the stuff Ran and Okita are talking about. Since I have no clue what it could possibly be, does anyone here have any idea? Or can maybe figure something out by translating from the chinese file?
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ShadowNeo wrote:After looking at the chinese file for chapter 1003...
Spoiler:
...I don't know why, but somehow I am more interested in the Ran-Okita thing happening there than the actual case. So from few translations given it looks like Shinichi knows the culprit and just needs some more evidence, which means the case is about to be closed. With that we will probably get the stuff Ran and Okita are talking about. Since I have no clue what it could possibly be, does anyone here have any idea? Or can maybe figure something out by translating from the chinese file?
Spoiler:
It's not revealed in file 1003. I think popular theories involve Ran asking Okita to lend her his charm (For a bit longer since she appears to already have it) so she can keep it for when she answers Shinichi's confession. Or for when she tries to kiss him. The hints for a kiss have been skattered through the arc already. Gosho and sneak peak readers did promise a huge Shinran development in file 1004, but what it is is still up in the air at this point.

Also: Shinichi appearing on TV? Guess we might have a BO development tie-in here...? :o
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Shinichi appearing on T.V :)
Hope gosho is hinting for something big ;D ;D ;D
I think we are going to have an interesting turn of events
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saorin wrote:
ShadowNeo wrote:After looking at the chinese file for chapter 1003...
Spoiler:
...I don't know why, but somehow I am more interested in the Ran-Okita thing happening there than the actual case. So from few translations given it looks like Shinichi knows the culprit and just needs some more evidence, which means the case is about to be closed. With that we will probably get the stuff Ran and Okita are talking about. Since I have no clue what it could possibly be, does anyone here have any idea? Or can maybe figure something out by translating from the chinese file?
Spoiler:
It's not revealed in file 1003. I think popular theories involve Ran asking Okita to lend her his charm (For a bit longer since she appears to already have it) so she can keep it for when she answers Shinichi's confession. Or for when she tries to kiss him. The hints for a kiss have been skattered through the arc already. Gosho and sneak peak readers did promise a huge Shinran development in file 1004, but what it is is still up in the air at this point.

Also: Shinichi appearing on TV? Guess we might have a BO development tie-in here...? :o

What kind of charm are you talking about? I think I missed something.
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