Why do people dislike Ran?

[Christcc9]

Such as the Scarlet series, episodes without Ran are so much better IMO.
IMO
IMO

[Kor]

@silver: Rofl. How am I a fangirl based on that post I made? Also, fangirl of what? Fangirl of logic? Fangirl that I don't see the reason why Conan keeps his identity still a secret? Fangirl of process in the story?

And why is it expected that she will blow his cover when she knows his identity? Wouldn't it be the other way around? It more likely (and way more dangerous) that Ran would accidentally reveal Shinichi's cover because she doesn't know that Shinichi is hidinng from the BO.
Amuro for example. Ran could accidentally reveal Shinichi to Amuro and that he's on a "hard case". So Amuro could have investigated on Shinichi and find out that he was supposedly killed by Gin but is actually still alive.

Spoiler:

Luckily Amuro isn't really a bad guy.

So her not knowing about Shinichi's situation is more dangerous than her knowing it. (and really... Heiji is blowing Kudo's cover way more often accidentally XD)

And it's like Kor said. It simply being status-quo. And they don't even give a proper reason why it's still being kept a secret (and I guess Gosho also tries to avoid having to give a reason)
But this status-quo is hurting Ran's popularity. Because Gosho can't proceed anything with Ran and the Movie makers and Anime makers also ahve to keep the status quo so they also can't do stuff with Ran. So people start to hate Ran because she becomes "stale".

Your earlier post had a significant vibe of "Shinran Shinran Shinran Shinran that's why it's sooo unfair to not reveal Shinichi's identity from poor Ran because she's been waiting for so long <3 blah balh"
And no way is your theory making sense, how is Ran telling Amuro "Shinichi's on a hard case" more dangerous than her accidentally saying or pretty much giving it away by her behavior "Conan is actually Shinichi, he's a threat & heavily involved with the BO, etc. etc."

I'd like to direct you to these guidelines.

You're kinda being needlessly hostile in your attitude for no apparent reason.

Such as the Scarlet series, episodes without Ran are so much better IMO.
IMO
IMO

Ran was actually in those episodes, though.
Also we've had hundreds of episodes without Ran in them, but instead just generic DB cases (plus maybe an officer's love story), and I'm not particularly sure they were much better than the episodes with Ran in them.

[Kleene Onigiri]

Such as the Scarlet series, episodes without Ran are so much better IMO.
IMO
IMO

That's your opinion and that's totally fine
It would be interesting to hear, why you think so. Like "She didn't had any role in it" or "she actually did a mistake and did this and that" etc.

[Christcc9]

Such as the Scarlet series, episodes without Ran are so much better IMO.
IMO
IMO

Ran was actually in those episodes, though.
Also we've had hundreds of episodes without Ran in them, but instead just generic DB cases (plus maybe an officer's love story), and I'm not particularly sure they were much better than the episodes with Ran in them.

LoL you're right - I totally forgot the part she appeared in her home watching the TV, useless though.
But we can't discuss about the episodes rank, to each his own.

That's your opinion and that's totally fine
It would be interesting to hear, why you think so. Like "She didn't had any role in it" or "she actually did a mistake and did this and that" etc.

Spoiler:

Because I'm sure she'd disturb the plan if she got involved in it. Something like: "Conan-kun? What are you doing in this dark room all alone?? Are you talking to your bow tie???"
shouting, microphone on, her voice coming out the mask of Yusaku

And no staring for hours at Akai moment.

[Kor]

Spoiler:

Because I'm sure she'd disturb the plan if she got involved in it. Something like: "Conan-kun? What are you doing in this dark room all alone?? Are you talking to your bow tie???"
shouting, microphone on, her voice coming out the mask of Yusaku

And no staring for hours at Akai moment.

Not entirely certain how you can be sure of such a thing (considering it didn't happen and all), but...

Spoiler:

So far, the only one to actually disturb Conan's plan in a big confrontation has been Haibara (btw Ran saved her), and that is probably the most beloved confrontation and episode in the series, so I'm not sure why you'd assume that Ran would disturb his plan if she was more involved (not like this even matters, though, because it didn't happen.), nor do I understand why you think that Ran-less episodes are better when Ran participated in some of the best and most beloved episodes of the series.

You've established pretty well that you don't like Ran, and that's fine, but none of the explanations you've provided really make sense.

[Silverbullet96]

Not entirely certain how you can be sure of such a thing (considering it didn't happen and all), but...

Spoiler:

So far, the only one to actually disturb Conan's plan in a big confrontation has been Haibara (btw Ran saved her), and that is probably the most beloved confrontation and episode in the series, so I'm not sure why you'd assume that Ran would disturb his plan if she was more involved (not like this even matters, though, because it didn't happen.), nor do I understand why you think that Ran-less episodes are better when Ran participated in some of the best and most beloved episodes of the series.

You've established pretty well that you don't like Ran, and that's fine, but none of the explanations you've provided really make sense.

Well, Ran is not very far from just an ordinary high school girl, if she got involved with some of the dangerous cases she'd mostly get in danger and/or in Conan's way, unless Conan deliberately got her involved and made up a smart plan to take down the criminal. I don't really remember when Haibara has disturbed Conan's plan and I think it's clear to everybody that it's foolish to think that she's more of a hindrance to Conan than Ran.

[Serinox]

Not entirely certain how you can be sure of such a thing (considering it didn't happen and all), but...

Spoiler:

So far, the only one to actually disturb Conan's plan in a big confrontation has been Haibara (btw Ran saved her), and that is probably the most beloved confrontation and episode in the series, so I'm not sure why you'd assume that Ran would disturb his plan if she was more involved (not like this even matters, though, because it didn't happen.), nor do I understand why you think that Ran-less episodes are better when Ran participated in some of the best and most beloved episodes of the series.

You've established pretty well that you don't like Ran, and that's fine, but none of the explanations you've provided really make sense.

I don't really remember when Haibara has disturbed Conan's plan

Well, Kor said it in the post your quoting: Episode 345, the confrontation with Vermouth. Haibara not only disturbed, but almost completely destroyed Conan's plan.

[Silverbullet96]

Well, Kor said it in the post your quoting: Episode 345, the confrontation with Vermouth. Haibara not only disturbed, but almost completely destroyed Conan's plan.

What did Haibara do ? I don't remember. Well whatever she did, it's probably different from the kind of hindrance Ran can be. I mean Ran is a hindrance in a way that she has no idea what's going on and will constantly be a nuisance to Conan when he's trying to work on the case or won't be as sharp & smart as Conan, Akai, Haibara etc. to know how to react next if she gets involved with something extremely dangerous.

[Nemomon]

The problem with Ran is that she's pretty mentally unstable, especially if the case is connected to Shinichi. She can live her life normally, but once she hears or thinks of Shinichi, she turns into a totally-random-action machine that can trigger any of these actions:

- Hug Shinichi
- Scream at Shinichi
- Cry to Shinichi
- Punch Shinichi
- Imagine a nonexistent situation, and trying to make Shinichi feel guilty<sup>*

*</sup>(this is the most common one as she often is overreacting when Shinichi actually is not guilty or barely guilty)

Because of that it is quite hard to trust her, because she might accidentally tell something she shouldn't, or just make a really stupid action (like what she did in the episode 345 - she is still alive only because Vermouth hesitated to kill her. If it would be anybody else (but Vermouth) she already would be dead.

Of course she is mentally unstable for a reason. It is unfair to say that she's in this condition purely because of her own actions and thoughts. Of course Shinichi is a reason why she's in this state, because she's worrying of him (despite that he constantly calls her and is telling her that he's alright).

But now we have Conan. He can see the condition of Ran's heart and mind. He can judge whether it is safe to tell her that he's Shinichi or not. Remember that Heiji blackmailed Conan to reveal the truth of his identity; it is not that Conan told him this because he wanted Heiji to know it. I think if the condition of Ran would be better, and if she would not perform random actions, I think Conan would be more interested in trusting her. Not to mention that for example in the episode 58 he told Heiji that Ran is a tiresome person.

And there's another problem to consider. What would happen after he would tell her the truth? I'm pretty sure Conan was thinking about this too. After all he was about to tell her the truth (but was stopped by Haibara). He probably came to conclusion that it will be better for her, and for everybody else if she will continue to think that he's a child, and not her "boyfriend". Even Kogoro would notice that Ran is treating Conan differently. Not to mention Sonoko who tries all her best to literally destroy Conan.

tl;dr It is not that simple to tell "Hey Ran, I'm Shinichi, I can prove that by answering billion of your questions regarding me". There are so many factors to consider that summa summarum it is beter to leave the case as it is instead of trying to change it.

[kkslider5552000]

she is still alive only because Vermouth hesitated to kill her. If it would be anybody else (but Vermouth) she already would be dead.

But Conan would also be dead if it was anyone else

[Serinox]

Not to mention Sonoko who tries all her best to literally destroy Conan.

Come on, Sonoko finds Conan a bit annoying, but "literally destroy him"? Really? Don't you think that's a bit farfetched?

[Nemomon]

she is still alive only because Vermouth hesitated to kill her. If it would be anybody else (but Vermouth) she already would be dead.

But Conan would also be dead if it was anyone else

Yes, but Conan knew the risk (after all he came up with the whole plan and wanted to deal with Vermouth), and was prepared that the plan might fail. Conan knew against who he is fighting, and devised different strategies to make sure that his plan won't fail.

Ran on the other side just appeared from nowhere, grabbed Haibara and was waiting on the street to be killed. She called the police, that was the very good thing she did. But since she was in the bag, and unable to see the whole situation, she should not leave it at all. She even didn't know whether the shooter is near the car, or somewhere else, or even how many of them is there. She just left the bag just to be killed.

Not to mention Sonoko who tries all her best to literally destroy Conan.

Come on, Sonoko finds Conan a bit annoying, but "literally destroy him"? Really? Don't you think that's a bit farfetched?

Hehe, I'm exaggerating a bit, but it is funny how Sonoko acts sometimes. For example in Sera's room when they questioned Conan which girl (Haibara or Ayumi) he likes. When he managed to escape this question without answering it, Sonoko said something that this time he managed to survive. Of course it is not that Sonoko wants to murder Conan, but her actions, her thoughts and Conan teasing are enough funny that she not only considers him annoying.

Anyway, I must say that it is one of the funny things in the series. I loved the Eisuke-Conan episodes (when Conan was super jealous of Ran), and Sonoko-Conan, when Sonoko is teasing him.

[Serinox]

Hehe, I'm exaggerating a bit, but it is funny how Sonoko acts sometimes. For example in Sera's room when they questioned Conan which girl (Haibara or Ayumi) he likes. When he managed to escape this question without answering it, Sonoko said something that this time he managed to survive. Of course it is not that Sonoko wants to murder Conan, but her actions, her thoughts and Conan teasing are enough funny that she not only considers him annoying.

Oh, huh, in the translation I read, Sonoko thinks that Conan is lucky that he escaped the situation again, so that didn't occur to me.

[Antiyonder]

Yeah, a while back I produced a list of why any and arguably all reasons to keep Ran in the dark is really a bad move both in-universe and for creative reasons.

One of which is that she'd supposedly be trying to get involved or putting him in dangerous situations.

Partially sound, except lets look at the flip side to that:

4. Ran would become a hindrance (i.e. trying to help out, only to get in the way) or that Conan will let his guard down around her and compromise his cover: Yes and no. One reason for no, I'll cover in the pros list, but another rebuttal to this is that it works both ways.

Lets look at Episode 522 for example. Shinichi has to make a getaway from Ran, Kogoro & Kazuha before he reverts back to Conan and barely avoids getting caught, while having to have another antidote. Then the next episode has him in the same situation, only on the highway with more people who would witness the transformation.

So, basically if Ran was in on the secret by Episode 522, she and Heiji would have stood a better chance at helping Shinichi to perserve his secret and maybe even negating the need to have that antidote.

Heck, look way back in Episode 10. For a quick recap, a girl came to the detective agency and was hoping to find Shinichi as she apparently is his girlfriend. (which was really her trying get his attention for help in finding a missing person).

So Ran and Conan goes with her, back to her home. Conan shortly after, hides in the bathroom to call this client as Shinichi. Needless to say, Ran thinks that Shinichi has been seeing this girl, and upon finding that he's actually in the house tries to enter the bathroom to corner him.

As such, Conan has to spend quite a bit of time dodging her, and soon after, running out to conceal his secret. So yeah, keeping her in dark is necessary to prevent her from becoming a hindrance indeed.

Seems to me, she could just as easily compromise his secret indrectly through ignorance. Just look again at the underlined portion of my quote.

Maybe it's a situation where there's no single right decision, but I get the feeling that some tend to forget that Ran's lack of knowledge has ironically allowed for Shinichi's secret to be jeopardized just as much as Heiji calling him Kudo.

I could even post my other reasons if anyone wants to dispute the matter further, but really, the decision to keep Ran in the dark really has no merit beyond:
1. Ran being a trophy who rarely has something to do in the story.
2. Gosho arguably unwilling to do something unepisodic.

I mean the above comment, plus the others I compiled arguably demonstrate that any possible downside (behind the scenes or in-universe) pales in comparisons to actual upsides:
1. Adding more potential character moments.
2. Giving the main yet to be couple a more healthy feeling. I mean even healthy couples have their bad moments, but constant distrust is I'm sorry to say unhealthy. I mean if telling Ran was honestly dangerous, maybe isn't someone he has any business spending his life with.

[Nemomon]

Yeah, a while back I produced a list of why any and arguably all reasons to keep Ran in the dark is really a bad move both in-universe and for creative reasons.

One of which is that she'd supposedly be trying to get involved or putting him in dangerous situations.

Partially sound, except lets look at the flip side to that:

4. Ran would become a hindrance (i.e. trying to help out, only to get in the way) or that Conan will let his guard down around her and compromise his cover: Yes and no. One reason for no, I'll cover in the pros list, but another rebuttal to this is that it works both ways.

Lets look at Episode 522 for example. Shinichi has to make a getaway from Ran, Kogoro & Kazuha before he reverts back to Conan and barely avoids getting caught, while having to have another antidote. Then the next episode has him in the same situation, only on the highway with more people who would witness the transformation.

So, basically if Ran was in on the secret by Episode 522, she and Heiji would have stood a better chance at helping Shinichi to perserve his secret and maybe even negating the need to have that antidote.

Heck, look way back in Episode 10. For a quick recap, a girl came to the detective agency and was hoping to find Shinichi as she apparently is his girlfriend. (which was really her trying get his attention for help in finding a missing person).

So Ran and Conan goes with her, back to her home. Conan shortly after, hides in the bathroom to call this client as Shinichi. Needless to say, Ran thinks that Shinichi has been seeing this girl, and upon finding that he's actually in the house tries to enter the bathroom to corner him.

As such, Conan has to spend quite a bit of time dodging her, and soon after, running out to conceal his secret. So yeah, keeping her in dark is necessary to prevent her from becoming a hindrance indeed.

Seems to me, she could just as easily compromise his secret indrectly through ignorance. Just look again at the underlined portion of my quote.

Maybe it's a situation where there's no single right decision, but I get the feeling that some tend to forget that Ran's lack of knowledge has ironically allowed for Shinichi's secret to be compromised just as much as Heiji calling him Kudo.

You are right, there were situations during which it would be better for everybody if Ran knew the truth. This is true for almost everything, I mean each thing has its own pluses and minuses. The question is whether telling the truth to Ran has more pluses, or has more minuses. And how much that pluses are worth.

Conan spends a lot of energy trying to keep his secret hidden. If Ran would know the truth he would be able to spend this energy better, or at least would not waste too much of it. But it seems that the cold calculation revealed that it is still better to keep Ran uninformed.

Different case is that how often he deals with the cases related to the BO. Until now most of times he was leading a quiet life. No reason to tell Ran his secrets considering that nothing is happening around.

Also, Bourbon invigilated the Poirot Cafe. What would happen if Ran would find this out? Would she manage to pretend that she doesn't know a thing? After all even Conan himself was feeling very uneasy when Bourbon was around. What about Ran who sometimes cannot control herself? The FBI during the Scarlet arc also had some hard times with dealing with Bourbon. What about a normal teenage girl?