Why do people dislike Ran?

[usotsuki]

Some writers have a lot of trouble with characters like Ran.

Worst two hours basically wedged the Conan cast into a sequel to Key of Life.

[char13happy]

Some writers have a lot of trouble with characters like Ran.

With the recent movies involving her, maybe I shouldn't be too surprised.

[Kleene Onigiri]

@Antiyonder: Indeed, the BO would kill all the people around Conan/Shinichi, according to Haibara. Whether they know about his secret or not. So that also means that not only Kogoro and Ran would be in danger, since Conan is living with them, but also the DBs, Agasa, Heiji, Kazuha and so on.

So him keeping his identity a secret from Ran is not really justified by him saying "he wants to keep her/them save from harm". (a lot of people already say that too XD)
At the beginning he maybe also wanted to keep Ran save from worrying? But she's actually worrying and crying because of that. And Conan saw that. So also not a reason anymore to keep his identity a secret from Ran.
THEN you might say he wanted to keep it a secret from Ran, in case something happens and Shinichi dies or has to flee, Ran can go for someone else instead and forget about Shinichi. BUUUUT we know how that worked out now... Ran waits forever and Shinichi also doesn't want to give up on Ran :x
So there is really NO REASON (anymore) to keep his identity a secret anymore (besides not to get killed by Ran, since Ran confessed in front of Conan and he also saw her naked a lot XD)


@Shiromi: I agree. There are a lot of "flaws" said about Ran which also apply to a lot of other DC characters.

You're acting like a fangirl. Conan won't reveal his identity to Ran because it is heavily expected that she may blow the cover pretty easily.

Ad hominem.

Also, you'll have to forgive me, but based on a bunch of your posts in the past, you probably shouldn't be the one to accuse people of acting like fanboys/fangirls.

As far as your argument goes, nope, I don't think it's heavily expected or true. Ran can't learn of Conan's secret simply because the status quo has to remain and the series needs to continue. Some things in this series simply don't have in-story reasons.

@silver: Rofl. How am I a fangirl based on that post I made? Also, fangirl of what? Fangirl of logic? Fangirl that I don't see the reason why Conan keeps his identity still a secret? Fangirl of process in the story?

And why is it expected that she will blow his cover when she knows his identity? Wouldn't it be the other way around? It more likely (and way more dangerous) that Ran would accidentally reveal Shinichi's cover because she doesn't know that Shinichi is hidinng from the BO.
Amuro for example. Ran could accidentally reveal Shinichi to Amuro and that he's on a "hard case". So Amuro could have investigated on Shinichi and find out that he was supposedly killed by Gin but is actually still alive.

Spoiler:

Luckily Amuro isn't really a bad guy.

So her not knowing about Shinichi's situation is more dangerous than her knowing it. (and really... Heiji is blowing Kudo's cover way more often accidentally XD)

And it's like Kor said. It simply being status-quo. And they don't even give a proper reason why it's still being kept a secret (and I guess Gosho also tries to avoid having to give a reason)
But this status-quo is hurting Ran's popularity. Because Gosho can't proceed anything with Ran and the Movie makers and Anime makers also ahve to keep the status quo so they also can't do stuff with Ran. So people start to hate Ran because she becomes "stale".

[Silverbullet96]

@silver: Rofl. How am I a fangirl based on that post I made? Also, fangirl of what? Fangirl of logic? Fangirl that I don't see the reason why Conan keeps his identity still a secret? Fangirl of process in the story?

And why is it expected that she will blow his cover when she knows his identity? Wouldn't it be the other way around? It more likely (and way more dangerous) that Ran would accidentally reveal Shinichi's cover because she doesn't know that Shinichi is hidinng from the BO.
Amuro for example. Ran could accidentally reveal Shinichi to Amuro and that he's on a "hard case". So Amuro could have investigated on Shinichi and find out that he was supposedly killed by Gin but is actually still alive.

Spoiler:

Luckily Amuro isn't really a bad guy.

So her not knowing about Shinichi's situation is more dangerous than her knowing it. (and really... Heiji is blowing Kudo's cover way more often accidentally XD)

And it's like Kor said. It simply being status-quo. And they don't even give a proper reason why it's still being kept a secret (and I guess Gosho also tries to avoid having to give a reason)
But this status-quo is hurting Ran's popularity. Because Gosho can't proceed anything with Ran and the Movie makers and Anime makers also ahve to keep the status quo so they also can't do stuff with Ran. So people start to hate Ran because she becomes "stale".

Your earlier post had a significant vibe of "Shinran Shinran Shinran Shinran that's why it's sooo unfair to not reveal Shinichi's identity from poor Ran because she's been waiting for so long <3 blah balh"
And no way is your theory making sense, how is Ran telling Amuro "Shinichi's on a hard case" more dangerous than her accidentally saying or pretty much giving it away by her behavior "Conan is actually Shinichi, he's a threat & heavily involved with the BO, etc. etc."

[Silverbullet96]

Ad hominem.

Also, you'll have to forgive me, but based on a bunch of your posts in the past, you probably shouldn't be the one to accuse people of acting like fanboys/fangirls.

As far as your argument goes, nope, I don't think it's heavily expected or true. Ran can't learn of Conan's secret simply because the status quo has to remain and the series needs to continue. Some things in this series simply don't have in-story reasons.

What are you talking about bruh. I have no memory of acting like a biased fanboy of CoAi or bashing of Ran for a long time now.

[Mario2000]

Your earlier post had a significant vibe of "Shinran Shinran Shinran Shinran that's why it's sooo unfair to not reveal Shinichi's identity from poor Ran because she's been waiting for so long <3 blah balh"
And no way is your theory making sense, how is Ran telling Amuro "Shinichi's on a hard case" more dangerous than her accidentally saying or pretty much giving it away by her behavior "Conan is actually Shinichi, he's a threat & heavily involved with the BO, etc. etc."

Considering how the Black Organization is currently represented, I am only half-joking when I say those gangsters would be in more danger themselves than Ran will be if Ran discovers the truth. Maybe Gosho initially wanted to represent them as a really menacing and dangerous enemy, but so far there is only Gin, the rest are either idiots or alleged double-crossers. Considering this, Conan might as well tell Ran who he really is, it's pointless to make her suffer unless there is a real death threat. I may change my opinion though if somehow Gosho manages to give the BO back its "menacing" status.

[Nemomon]

And no way is your theory making sense, how is Ran telling Amuro "Shinichi's on a hard case" more dangerous than her accidentally saying or pretty much giving it away by her behavior "Conan is actually Shinichi, he's a threat & heavily involved with the BO, etc. etc."

Amuro isn't stupid. He correctly guessed that Akai is alive just after hearing that Kusuda killed himself in the head. Haibara told us that Kudo's house was visited by the BO multiple times, and that Kudo is confirmed to be dead. If Ran will slip that Kudo is working on a hard case, he quite soon will realize that Shinichi is alive. During the Scarlet case he said that he has no knowledge of what relations are between the owner of the house (Yusaku Kudo) and Conan. It won't be very hard to him to understand that Conan in fact is Kudo, and this is why he easily allowed Akai to live there. And if Akai works with Conan, then that must mean that Conan works against the BO. Why he might find this out quickly? Because he knows some secrets about Vermouth. We don't know what exactly he knows, but we might suspect that he knows that Vermouth cannot age. If she cannot age, then perhaps Kudo became a child. After all Conan isn't less smarter than a real detective, and after all it was all Conan who was behind the whole Scarlet comedy.

tl;dr Amuro pretty quickly might come to conclusion that Okiya in fact is Akai in disguise, and might try to rise up in the BO ranks by blowing up Akai's disguise. But that also will mean that Conan and Ran, and others will be killed too.

This is much more dangerous than saying "Conan is Shinichi, and tries to destroy the BO". It is because Amuro wants the same.

[Kleene Onigiri]

@silver: You must be trolling.

[Silverbullet96]

Considering how the Black Organization is currently represented, I am only half-joking when I say those gangsters would be in more danger themselves than Ran will be if Ran discovers the truth. Maybe Gosho initially wanted to represent them as a really menacing and dangerous enemy, but so far there is only Gin, the rest are either idiots or alleged double-crossers. Considering this, Conan might as well tell Ran who he really is, it's pointless to make her suffer unless there is a real death threat. I may change my opinion though if somehow Gosho manages to give the BO back its "menacing" status.

I think the BO is still clearly bigger than just Gin, there is Kir and Chianti (??????? lol i don't remember the names) there was also Kusuda Rikumichi, Irish, who knows maybe they have more people like that which we don't know of cause obviously it's a big organization, and tbh either Ano Kata or the BO is not a joke and shouldn't be underestimated at all. Even if it does look safe at some point, I wouldn't reveal Conan's identity just because it's still pretty risky & we have no idea what these guys can do until they're completely gone for good.

[Silverbullet96]

Amuro isn't stupid. He correctly guessed that Akai is alive just after hearing that Kusuda killed himself in the head. Haibara told us that Kudo's house was visited by the BO multiple times, and that Kudo is confirmed to be dead. If Ran will slip that Kudo is working on a hard case, he quite soon will realize that Shinichi is alive. During the Scarlet case he said that he has no knowledge of what relations are between the owner of the house (Yusaku Kudo) and Conan. It won't be very hard to him to understand that Conan in fact is Kudo, and this is why he easily allowed Akai to live there. And if Akai works with Conan, then that must mean that Conan works against the BO. Why he might find this out quickly? Because he knows some secrets about Vermouth. We don't know what exactly he knows, but we might suspect that he knows that Vermouth cannot age. If she cannot age, then perhaps Kudo became a child. After all Conan isn't less smarter than a real detective, and after all it was all Conan who was behind the whole Scarlet comedy.

tl;dr Amuro pretty quickly might come to conclusion that Okiya in fact is Akai in disguise, and might try to rise up in the BO ranks by blowing up Akai's disguise. But that also will mean that Conan and Ran, and others will be killed too.

This is much more dangerous than saying "Conan is Shinichi, and tries to destroy the BO". It is because Amuro wants the same.

Yeah but there is only a random chance that Ran somehow says to Amuro "Shinichi's on a hard case" (there is a pretty good chance that Ran doesn't ever say it) even then, Amuro will still have to investigate a lot and go in a whole circle from Shinichi to Conan to finally reach the conclusion that Conan is Shinichi and he is involved with the BO. But if Ran already knows Conan's identity, she WILL behave differently with him, which WILL happen immediately after she finds out, maybe she will even accidently blow the cover directly like Heiji does sometimes, then Amuro will deduce Conan's real identity and his involvement with the BO right there and then. Which is obviously more dangerous.

[Nemomon]

Amuro isn't stupid. He correctly guessed that Akai is alive just after hearing that Kusuda killed himself in the head. Haibara told us that Kudo's house was visited by the BO multiple times, and that Kudo is confirmed to be dead. If Ran will slip that Kudo is working on a hard case, he quite soon will realize that Shinichi is alive. During the Scarlet case he said that he has no knowledge of what relations are between the owner of the house (Yusaku Kudo) and Conan. It won't be very hard to him to understand that Conan in fact is Kudo, and this is why he easily allowed Akai to live there. And if Akai works with Conan, then that must mean that Conan works against the BO. Why he might find this out quickly? Because he knows some secrets about Vermouth. We don't know what exactly he knows, but we might suspect that he knows that Vermouth cannot age. If she cannot age, then perhaps Kudo became a child. After all Conan isn't less smarter than a real detective, and after all it was all Conan who was behind the whole Scarlet comedy.

tl;dr Amuro pretty quickly might come to conclusion that Okiya in fact is Akai in disguise, and might try to rise up in the BO ranks by blowing up Akai's disguise. But that also will mean that Conan and Ran, and others will be killed too.

This is much more dangerous than saying "Conan is Shinichi, and tries to destroy the BO". It is because Amuro wants the same.

Yeah but there is only a random chance that Ran somehow says to Amuro "Shinichi's on a hard case" (there is a pretty good chance that Ran doesn't ever say it) even then, Amuro will still have to investigate a lot and go in a whole circle from Shinichi to Conan to finally reach the conclusion that Conan is Shinichi and he is involved with the BO. But if Ran already knows Conan's identity, she WILL behave differently with him, which WILL happen immediately after she finds out, maybe she will even accidently blow the cover directly like Heiji does sometimes, then Amuro will deduce Conan's real identity and his involvement with the BO right there and then. Which is obviously more dangerous.

That depends. Amuro already investigated Kudo and his surroundings (for example Agasa who is better than MI6). So Amuro already knows a lot about this case. Ran doesn't even need to tell Amuro that Shinichi works on a hard case. Enough will be that "Shinichi is working". Amuro knows who is the owner of the house, so he pretty sure knows that Shinichi is considered to be dead (or rather he knows that "Yusaku recently lost his only child"). So if the BO says that Shinichi is dead, and his waifu is saying that she talks with him, and he's working on something, then the only conclusion is that Shinichi is alive. And since Amuro belongs to the secret police, it won't be very hard to him to bug Ran's phone and find out with who she is talking.

Also, Amuro is connected to Elena. We don't know how Amuro found secrets about Vermouth, but as of now the only logical explanation is that Elena left some cassettes to Amuro and told him about what exactly she was working, and what secrets Vermouth tries to keep hidden.

So as I say, for Amuro enough will be to tell him "Shinichi is working" to destroy the whole cover Conan already built.

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As for Ran, she first will murder Conan for seeing her multiple times naked. Then unintentionally she will slip something. Pretty much like Heiji slips and even his own mother ("Shin... Conan-kun"). This is why better is not telling Ran anything.

[Antiyonder]

Frankly, if Heiji and Yukiko's slip ups haven't compromised Conan's safety, I doubt Ran's will.

[kkslider5552000]

I don't want to lock the thread, but I will if people decide to be character bashing idiots. Or just idiots in general.

[Silverbullet96]

I don't want to lock the thread, but I will if people decide to be character bashing idiots. Or just idiots in general.

Or disagree with others.

[DCUniverseAficionado]

I don't want to lock the thread, but I will if people decide to be character bashing idiots. Or just idiots in general.

I must've overlooked something in the past page or two of comments... what has you concerned, here? If, of course, this comment was the result of a comment in the past two pages.