Why did they do that......?

[Kor]

I think you forgot a few things.
Vodka informs Gin about the ordeal, but Gin replies he forgets the people he kills, so he doesn't really remember having to deal with Kudo Shinichi.

Heiji also makes note at the party that perhaps the rumors are true and Shinichi really is dead, so Vodka has no real reason to look more into it. As far as spectators are concerned, Heiji just disguised himself as Shinichi, but it doesn't imply much beyond that.

[b8ajenai]

Except that during the case where Wolfman was the killer, Vodka in disguise was also there and he saw that Hattori disguised as Shinichi, and at the same time, Chris saw Conan disguised as Ai. Chris would lie about that, but I don't think Vodka would, which would mean that their jig would be up. Either Vodka is unbelievably stupid or the BO already learned about it from him.

(Episode 345) Vodka is also there when Heiji reveals himself--he's on the phone with Gin even. Heiji explains he was pretending to be Kudo to try to lure him out because nobody's seen him in a while. Then he admits that maybe Kudo really is dead like the rumors say. It's not clear exactly how much of that Vodka relayed to Gin. I'd guess Vodka didn't tell all of that to Gin, it's already established in at least episode 311 that Vodka makes mistakes, so he probably takes Heiji's words at face value. Although what Heiji says is pretty much proof that Kudo must be alive (clearly Kudo's body wouldn't have gone unfound in Tropical Land so his friends and family would know he's dead). Gin is really smart, maybe even smarter than Conan, if he knew that's what Heiji said I think he could put two and two together.

So the real question is, does Conan actually have a reason to keep the Black Organization believing Kudo is dead? At this point it'd been 8 years (well, Conan time, so I guess like a week and a half) since he saw the transaction between Vodka and that company executive (IIRC Conan never bothers to follow up on that side of the transaction), and Kudo (if he were alive) has not gone to the police or been a threat to the Black Organization. We're not told what Gin does all day every day, but I don't think it's true that the Black Organization eliminates everyone that learns of their existence as Haibara suggests; I think it depends on what they know or might know. Again in episode 311 Gin concludes that Itakura hired someone who is trying to figure out about the Black Organization, but we're never told if they actually follow up on that. The person Itakura hired likely wouldn't have known anything about the Black Organization beyond they were forcing Itakura to finish a program, something that he had started independently of the Black Organization, so knowledge of that program should not incriminate the Black Organization in any way, so this person isn't a threat and since he hasn't emerged against them again I guess they never followed up on eliminating him. Same with Kudo, he doesn't know anything about the Black Organization and has never tried to stand between them again, he's not a threat so I guess the Black Organization doesn't care if he's alive or not.


Disclaimer: I've only seen the first 599 episodes, sorry if something in this post is contradicted with something that happens later.

[Sachi]

The fact that they targeted him alone pisses me off. If they were truly protecting their secrets, then they would target Hattori and Saguru and Kazuha and a whole bunch of others as well. Right now, it feels that they only targeted Shinichi because they needed to be tragedy inducing and stuff. This screams 'villains vs victim' so loud, so very loud.....

Plus, they separated two people who meant the world to each other.....

[miakakiri]

So I cannot help but notice this. The BO are apparently working on national level and certainly have some agents in England too. Plus, Kir replaced a girl living in Osaka, which means Kir must have visited Osaka often, otherwise she never would have known about the girl who looks like her that's living there. This leads me to my main point.

1. If they have some members that work in England, they could have known about Saguru;

Hakuba Saguru has never bloody encountered the Black Org. Just being smart isn't enough to catch their attention, or they would have depopulated all the best colleges/universities.
If you want to go this route, why haven't they taken action against Kudou Yuusaku, Hattori Heizou, or Kisaki Eri? What about Hakuba-kun's grandfather and his lab? Or Agasa-hakase?

2. Since Kir replaced a girl that lives in Osaka, she must have known a bit about residents of Osaka, including Hattori, supported by the fact that she killed that woman and took her place, and is therefore a murderer. And as a murderer, she must have gathered some data on local police inspectors, whose children are Hattori and Kazuha. Later, when she joined the BO she could have told them all this.

Disproven. She probably didn't 'replace' the girl living in Osaka. The girl is either Hondou Hidemi or a look-alike (though such look-alikes tend to occur more across the MK/DC divide than within DC). Kir is a CIA undercover plant and not a true BO member.

Yet, despite both Saguru, Hattori or even Kazuha being a threat, the BO didn't go after any of them. Oh no, they didn't. Instead, they targeted Shinichi. Sure, he might have been a threat, but those two are also a threat, and they might have known that Hattori and Shinichi were working together. So why not use the drug on Hattori, Saguru or Kazuha as well? Why only Shinichi?

Kazuha has never encountered the BO at all, and is therefore no threat.
Hakuba-kun: see above.
Hattori Heiji, unlike Shinichi, has never had any direct contact with the BO. The only recorded 'encounter' between Heiji and a BO member is the Full Moon Double Mystery case set (the one on the boat where the Wolfman was the killer). I won't repeat what others have said on that.


Vermouth/Sharon/Chris and liking Ran & Shinichi: see the New York Case. I do agree that she probably wants to destroy the Black Org, as she is aware of Kir's identity as a NOC (non-official cover) and knows about Shinichi and Miyano Shiho but apparently has not told anyone.
The movies aren't generally part of the manga cannon, but in m13 Vermouth pretty much directly assists Conan, though she gives him only limited help. I get the vibe of "I'll help, but I'm not going to hand you everything."
(My general insistence on referring to the character as 'Vermouth' is rooted in the fact that she stole my name. :p )

[Kleene Onigiri]

If you really think they should have "taken out" more people, it would be the FBI people: Jodie, Camel and James (and others).
Since those actively are against the BO and are also friends/colleague of Akai too.

[Sachi]

Hattori is actively against the BO as well. He has a personal motive for it as well, as he wants his true rival back.

[usotsuki]

But they don't know him from Adam.

[Sachi]

There is no Adam in this show. You must be thinking of another show. This isn't the show you're looking for.

[usotsuki]

Have you never heard the phrase "I don't know you from Adam" before?

I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall.

[Sachi]

No, I haven't.

[Serinox]

I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall.

This thread in a nutshell tbh.

Honestly, I feel that we have answered every question atleast twice now, why is it still going?

[Sachi]

Because of that picture I posted on this page and text accompanying it, maybe?

[Nemomon]

Because of that picture I posted on this page and text accompanying it, maybe?

Not for me, I think Shinichi should end up with Haibara, and dump Ran. It is even quite hard to call them (Shinichi and Ran) a couple at this time.

[Jecka]

Have you never heard the phrase "I don't know you from Adam" before?

I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall.

I also have never heard it before, but I know what it means.

Honestly tho, You keep bringing up the same stuff even tho it's been explained already! Eventually, (if it hasn't happened already) people are going to start repeating each other.
So, quick recap (plus some of my own stuff?):
Hakuba: Never met Shinichi, let alone anyone from the BO. Not even Snake and that's in MK's universe, iirc. C'mon.
Kazuha: Why would she even be targeted??? Because she hangs out with Heiji??? Or because she met Shinichi? Twice?!
Heiji: They (Vodka) met him ONE TIME they probably don't remember him especially with Gin's lack of memory of his victims. Sure Heiji helps Conan/Shinichi with tracking them down and stuff, but he usually isn't involved anymore than that, probably because Conan doesn't like getting innocent people involved.
Shinichi: Got into trouble because he WITNESSED a transaction between Vodka and some guy. Gin, the guy who "killed" him, doesn't remember anything about this kid by him name alone.

[Kleene Onigiri]

Because of that picture I posted on this page and text accompanying it, maybe?

Not for me, I think Shinichi should end up with Haibara, and dump Ran. It is even quite hard to call them (Shinichi and Ran) a couple at this time.

Wait what? I thought it was about Heiji and Shinichi... now you talk about Ran, Shinichi and Haibara? D:

This thread is amazing