Why do people dislike Ran?

[usotsuki]

In 401 Conan says as much ("believe me, I'm not about to get Ran involved with the men in black").

[megamind1988]

i'm asking skyechan's google account but i cannot find her.

[Antiyonder]

Spoiler:

I have the impression that most of people sees Ran as a clingy and weak girl, who only deppends on Shinichi for everything, and thats not true. This is most fanfiction than reality. The fact that she is oblivious about Conan's identity and the BO existence, allow this, she could be way more active if she was directly involved with the main plot; shame she is not.

sorry for my english

Idk if she could handle something that dangerous, mentally or physically. We have seen her so many times using her Karate to take out small thugs but when the going gets tough she gets defeated. She does not know about Conan's identity and etc. because she will be in serious danger if she does get involved.

Yeah, but in all honesty, say Gin and Vodka stumble onto his secret, but Ran is still in the dark.

Is he honestly expecting them to have a code of honor that prevents them from killing her or anyone close to him? Seems to me they would just as likely off Ran and Kogoro on the basis that Conan is around them frequently, even if they remain ignorant.

I mean in the original comics, Gwen Stacy never found out that her boyfriend was Spider-Man, but the Green Goblin still deemed her fair game for death.

So even keeping the girlfriend out of the club house can bite the hero in the arse.

[Kleene Onigiri]

Spoiler:

I have the impression that most of people sees Ran as a clingy and weak girl, who only deppends on Shinichi for everything, and thats not true. This is most fanfiction than reality. The fact that she is oblivious about Conan's identity and the BO existence, allow this, she could be way more active if she was directly involved with the main plot; shame she is not.

sorry for my english

Idk if she could handle something that dangerous, mentally or physically. We have seen her so many times using her Karate to take out small thugs but when the going gets tough she gets defeated. She does not know about Conan's identity and etc. because she will be in serious danger if she does get involved.

I'm really not sure why people think Ran is physically or mentally weak?

As for being defeated, that was mainly the Movies I think? And that was against a strong adult man that was like twice her physical features (considering he (Irish) trains especially for killing, while Ran trains for tournaments and doesn't plan to break peoples necks with her karate)
There would also be Makoto who's better than her, but he's also a martial arts madman XD And he's also bigger than Ran I think.
And otherwise, Ran is also physically fit and has good reflexes. She saved Sonoko out of a car that was rolling down a cliff for example. She also saved Haibara from the sniping and showed that she can be really fast.

Mentally, she only cries because she misses Shinichi. She probably also worries about him, since all Shinichi tells her is that he's on "a difficult case".
She never cried when she was abducted or threatened or her friend were abducted or threatened, but instead, reacted with a clear mind. Like the Sonoko and Haibara saving: how many people would actually be able to instantly react and go save people? Most people would actually be under shock and be stunned or frozen in place. Most would even panic. But Ran never panics.
The only time she panics is when ghosts are involved, but that's a phobia.

[Antiyonder]

Kleene Onigiri: And as I also brought up, can we really be sure that Gin and Vodka would only murder those in the know? I mean even if I'm sure they'd avoid unnecessary attention, I question whether they wouldn't still go for the two people living with Conan.

I mean early on, you might justify that Kogoro was the best lead on the Organization, but he has allies that are just as capable, and are also in the know themselves, so living with Ran and Kogoro whether they are ignorant or not is putting them at risk.

[Shiromi]

Several people talked about Ran deferring to Shinichi's opinion or moral stance on an issue, but I think they've missed the point. Pretty much all of the main/supporting characters defer to Shinichi's opinions, moral stances, and commands at some point. I think that what Goushou is trying to get across is that Shinichi is a natural leader with the charisma to get people to adopt his perspectives, and to make them follow his commands. That doesn't mean that he's actually right, but that he can get people to follow him. Ran isn't particularly special in this regard.

[Kleene Onigiri]

@Antiyonder: Indeed, the BO would kill all the people around Conan/Shinichi, according to Haibara. Whether they know about his secret or not. So that also means that not only Kogoro and Ran would be in danger, since Conan is living with them, but also the DBs, Agasa, Heiji, Kazuha and so on.

So him keeping his identity a secret from Ran is not really justified by him saying "he wants to keep her/them save from harm". (a lot of people already say that too XD)
At the beginning he maybe also wanted to keep Ran save from worrying? But she's actually worrying and crying because of that. And Conan saw that. So also not a reason anymore to keep his identity a secret from Ran.
THEN you might say he wanted to keep it a secret from Ran, in case something happens and Shinichi dies or has to flee, Ran can go for someone else instead and forget about Shinichi. BUUUUT we know how that worked out now... Ran waits forever and Shinichi also doesn't want to give up on Ran :x
So there is really NO REASON (anymore) to keep his identity a secret anymore (besides not to get killed by Ran, since Ran confessed in front of Conan and he also saw her naked a lot XD)


@Shiromi: I agree. There are a lot of "flaws" said about Ran which also apply to a lot of other DC characters.

[usotsuki]

[DCUniverseAficionado]

Several people talked about Ran deferring to Shinichi's opinion or moral stance on an issue, but I think they've missed the point. Pretty much all of the main/supporting characters defer to Shinichi's opinions, moral stances, and commands at some point. I think that what Goushou is trying to get across is that Shinichi is a natural leader with the charisma to get people to adopt his perspectives, and to make them follow his commands. That doesn't mean that he's actually right, but that he can get people to follow him. Ran isn't particularly special in this regard.

Or, perhaps, they happen to share them. I definitely wouldn't say his presence has nothing to do with influencing opinions/views, but it's not all because of him.

But, yeah, Ran isn't the only one influenced by Shinichi—Heiji and Shiho/Ai are two other examples.

It's worth noting that Ran realized her love for Shinichi during his speech to the disguised Vermouth about how saving someone didn't require logic—this belief of Shinichi's, thus, is something that Ran finds incredibly attractive/endearing, so maybe its one she already had, and was even looking for in the person she wanted to be with.

[kkslider5552000]

Earlier in the series I think that was at least somewhat true, it's just that bad writing kinda killed those defenses imo.

I do agree that Shinichi's influence on characters is not exclusive to Ran, she's just the most obvious (and overdone) example of it. But that's more a flaw of most popular shonen more than anything (see: Naruto).

[Silverbullet96]

@Antiyonder: Indeed, the BO would kill all the people around Conan/Shinichi, according to Haibara. Whether they know about his secret or not. So that also means that not only Kogoro and Ran would be in danger, since Conan is living with them, but also the DBs, Agasa, Heiji, Kazuha and so on.

So him keeping his identity a secret from Ran is not really justified by him saying "he wants to keep her/them save from harm". (a lot of people already say that too XD)
At the beginning he maybe also wanted to keep Ran save from worrying? But she's actually worrying and crying because of that. And Conan saw that. So also not a reason anymore to keep his identity a secret from Ran.
THEN you might say he wanted to keep it a secret from Ran, in case something happens and Shinichi dies or has to flee, Ran can go for someone else instead and forget about Shinichi. BUUUUT we know how that worked out now... Ran waits forever and Shinichi also doesn't want to give up on Ran :x
So there is really NO REASON (anymore) to keep his identity a secret anymore (besides not to get killed by Ran, since Ran confessed in front of Conan and he also saw her naked a lot XD)


@Shiromi: I agree. There are a lot of "flaws" said about Ran which also apply to a lot of other DC characters.

You're acting like a fangirl. Conan won't reveal his identity to Ran because it is heavily expected that she may blow the cover pretty easily.

[Kor]

@Antiyonder: Indeed, the BO would kill all the people around Conan/Shinichi, according to Haibara. Whether they know about his secret or not. So that also means that not only Kogoro and Ran would be in danger, since Conan is living with them, but also the DBs, Agasa, Heiji, Kazuha and so on.

So him keeping his identity a secret from Ran is not really justified by him saying "he wants to keep her/them save from harm". (a lot of people already say that too XD)
At the beginning he maybe also wanted to keep Ran save from worrying? But she's actually worrying and crying because of that. And Conan saw that. So also not a reason anymore to keep his identity a secret from Ran.
THEN you might say he wanted to keep it a secret from Ran, in case something happens and Shinichi dies or has to flee, Ran can go for someone else instead and forget about Shinichi. BUUUUT we know how that worked out now... Ran waits forever and Shinichi also doesn't want to give up on Ran :x
So there is really NO REASON (anymore) to keep his identity a secret anymore (besides not to get killed by Ran, since Ran confessed in front of Conan and he also saw her naked a lot XD)


@Shiromi: I agree. There are a lot of "flaws" said about Ran which also apply to a lot of other DC characters.

You're acting like a fangirl. Conan won't reveal his identity to Ran because it is heavily expected that she may blow the cover pretty easily.

Ad hominem.

Also, you'll have to forgive me, but based on a bunch of your posts in the past, you probably shouldn't be the one to accuse people of acting like fanboys/fangirls.

As far as your argument goes, nope, I don't think it's heavily expected or true. Ran can't learn of Conan's secret simply because the status quo has to remain and the series needs to continue. Some things in this series simply don't have in-story reasons.

[MrDetective]

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[Wakarimashita]

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[Nemomon]

But my comment was not off topic, in the newest special (Disappearance of Conan...) she contrubuted literaly nothing to the plot. Through the entire 90 minutes of the movie she was angry that she was unable to call Shinichi. I think this is a valid reason why people hate her.

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