what do you think was the biggest missed opportunities from Gosho?

[Sylkabe]

Hum, I think Haibara is too close to the detectives boys...She's to "childish" sometimes...

[AICHAN]

Hum, I think Haibara is too close to the detectives boys...She's to "childish" sometimes...

I agree...I kinda miss the old Ai...She was suicidal and depressed,but was more interesting than she is now.She should back off from the DB.

[Mario2000]

Hum, I think Haibara is too close to the detectives boys...She's to "childish" sometimes...

I agree...I kinda miss the old Ai...She was suicidal and depressed,but was more interesting than she is now.She should back off from the DB.

I feel sorry for her if she is depressed. I am not saying she should become mentally like the Detective Boys, but some happiness and being less serious thanks to friendship won't hurt I think.

[Kor]

Hum, I think Haibara is too close to the detectives boys...She's to "childish" sometimes...

How and why is this a missed opportunity?

[Nemomon]

Hum, I think Haibara is too close to the detectives boys...She's to "childish" sometimes...

I agree...I kinda miss the old Ai...She was suicidal and depressed,but was more interesting than she is now.She should back off from the DB.

I kind of like the current Haibara. I mean I liked very much when she was a depressed bitch, but in her current situation she has the rare possibility to learn the patience! We all know how annoying the DB are. And now imagine that while Conan managed to remove himself from that group and be free, Haibara OFTEN has to babysit them. Imagine Haibara babysitting some children . Haibara that doesn't want to test some drugs on them after a little while.

Though Haibara has some luck. Mitsuhiko is smart, so relatively it is possible to be with him a longer amount of time. Ayumi.. she's annoying, but both she and Haibara are girls, and therefore Haibara may want to teach her some secrets. And only Genta is the one Haibara must be surviving for the most amount of time.

[kkuuddoo]

Its actually really funny to imagine Haibara ( shiho ) babysitting a couple of kids,
I could only think of her becoming really annoyed from all the childish things the DB do, Genta already stated she is scarer then his own mom
she wouldn't feed gents at all,
she would give Mitsuhiko books to become smarter, her follower maybe or her intern.
Ayumi, I have nothing for her, maybe helper or something.

But If I were Haibara ( shiho ) ......... ( and currently , I hate kids more then ever )
I would starve Genta, to make him misreable, and to use him as Lab rat soon
Ayumi, would be a maid, clean up and cook and bring what ever what I need, like a slave
Mitsuhiko has a little potential , so I would coach him to become my helper, kill him if he tries to take my inventions, or try to leave me behind, hehe

[Mario2000]

I would starve Genta, to make him misreable, and to use him as Lab rat soon
Ayumi, would be a maid, clean up and cook and bring what ever what I need, like a slave

More easily said than done. It's like Tom trying to defeat Jerry.

[kkslider5552000]

Hum, I think Haibara is too close to the detectives boys...She's to "childish" sometimes...

I agree...I kinda miss the old Ai...She was suicidal and depressed,but was more interesting than she is now.She should back off from the DB.

tbh, this was one of the best and most logical places to take Haibara's character. For a series that's borderline status quo all the time, I appreciate that constantly being around kids who are genuinely her friend got her to enjoy a childhood she never got to enjoy properly because of her parents' connections. Particularly in that it just kinda...happened, instead of being some blatantly laid out character arc (though this certainly is the expected follow-up to certain stories and scenes from when Haibara got the most focus), which is awesome at times but not always needed. But at the same time, I do agree that the series hasn't done enough to go back to the darker stuff, since one of the main points of Haibara's character arc is that she's supposed to take on the Organization instead of being focused on running and hiding I assumed. I still want an arc that focuses on Conan and Haibara actively looking for information about the Organization, instead of one of them playing mind games while the other watches angrily in the background.

[Kudo Shinchi]

Haibara's character arc is one of the best things to ever happen in DC. She was definitely interesting when she was suicidal and depressed, but where her character has gone since then is even better. I'm quite certain people would have been sick of Haibara right now if she was still the same way she was in her introductory case.

[AICHAN]

I also like the current Ai(seeing Ai smiling,enjoying a nice like is great),I just think lately she has been reduced to the babysitter role.
She is supposed to not running away from the BO and trying to fight them... yet she isn't active enough in the recent BO arcs.
This is a missed opportunity for me,because she has so much potential,and sometimes I think Gosho doesn't use her in the right way(I think about the Mystery train disaster,when Kaito Kid replaced her).But I still hope it'll be better in the future considering that there are some mysteries about her(relationship with Gin,Vermouth,real purpose of the drug...)

Also I think she needs a close girlfriend around her age,who can talk about adult stuffs sometimes(I think about Sera,I kinda hope they become friends in the future,like Heiji and Conan).

[Silverbullet96]

CoAi -_-

Also I think she needs a close girlfriend around her age,who can talk about adult stuffs sometimes(I think about Sera,I kinda hope they become friends in the future,like Heiji and Conan).

I don't think either Sera or Ai are interested in talking about the stuff your average teenage girls do.

[AICHAN]

I don't think either Sera or Ai are interested in talking about the stuff your average teenage girls do.

I didn't mention teenage girls conversations,I said ADULT stuffs.Which includes Sera and Ai talking about their dead relatives,or about Ai's past in the BO,Sera's childhood...all the things Ai can't say to the DB(because they are too young for that) or to Conan(because he probably wouldn't understand,until now he had a normal life,while Sera probably had a more complicated life and childhood).
IMO they have many things on common,probably more than we think.

[char13happy]

How Sera and Ai will end up to be close girl friends will definitely be an interesting route to take.

[rocketpropelledbear]

I don't think either Sera or Ai are interested in talking about the stuff your average teenage girls do.

I didn't mention teenage girls conversations,I said ADULT stuffs.Which includes Sera and Ai talking about their dead relatives,or about Ai's past in the BO,Sera's childhood...all the things Ai can't say to the DB(because they are too young for that) or to Conan(because he probably wouldn't understand,until now he had a normal life,while Sera probably had a more complicated life and childhood).
IMO they have many things on common,probably more than we think.

How Sera and Ai will end up to be close girl friends will definitely be an interesting route to take.

Agree. A new friendship will be a relatively easy way to add character development, practically all the current teenage friendships in Detective Conan are already pretty developed to the point of saturation. If the past is anything to go by(Kazuha+Ran, Conan+Ai, hell even Shinichi+Ran when they were younger) it will probably have a rough start. Something like this

I wonder if I am using this image out of context

[DCUniverseAficionado]

Case specific:
•Using Conan's two cellphones as part of the mystery for Akai's fake death (because that's definitely more elegant than using glue on fingers in my biased opinion).

You would probably know how this could be properly executed, but as for me, I keep drawing blanks on it—I get as far as, one phone touched by Kusuda, the other by Shuichi, and no further. I don't know which phone would be brought to the police for identifying Kusuda's body as Shuichi's, how the fake death plan, itself, would change, and how someone, say, Bourbon, could still figure out the trick.

In any case, I agree that this method would be more elegant, and think that it would have served as a good callback to the Cell Phone arc. Also, it would connect to...

•Started a fingerprint sub-arc linking Akai's fingerprints on Conan's cellphone to Ran wondering about Shinichi's fingerprints on Heiji's charm.

We're now at Volume 87—Ran's last suspicion arc was in Volume 47. Given the time gap between the two, it would make sense for Ran to, say, get evidence that Shinichi/Conan has been tricking her. For example, she could find a way to test something of Shinichi's/Conan's for fingerprints, like one of his phones.

I like the idea of tying the romance arcs to the plot arcs, so this would be a step in the right direction.

•One more case that would have connected Shinichi's first case plane flight murder and the New York case with the present events in the Vermouth arc via Sharon's handkerchief.

Through her handkerchief, Shinichi/Conan could've found out that Sharon Vineyard and Chris Vineyard were one in the same—while this would tie to the New York case, I don't know how it would be tied to the plane murder case, other than it being connected to the New York case.

In terms of tying past cases to then-current ones, this is a good idea.

Alternate Character use:
•Araide. I think Gosho should have set up Araide's character so that he was available for use by Conan in later arcs. Specifically, I think Araide appearing as an info source in the hospital portion of Red vs. Black would have been a well positioned call back - Conan could have asked Araide to pull Eisuke's medical records for instance. It could have worked because Araide was shown to not be a passive character type in his intro case.

Agreed—Araide could've been a valuable source for Shinichi/Conan, and apparently Gosho straight-up FORGOT about him, so a wasted opportunity for the Kir arc. Hopefully, he can still play a role—there is no reason for an important character from an arc of the story to serve no purpose after said arc has concluded, unless they are killed off.

•Have Conan consult with allies and actually do some research rather than just know it all like he is a living Wikipedia and trivia repository. I don't mean the times where Conan asks Agasa to look up case files, I mean have Conan call Haibara to ask if a certain kind of drug overdose can cause Y symptoms that were observed in a victim before their death because Conan doesn't know that technical level of detail. One of Gosho's themes is that Shinichi trapped as Conan learns humility and how to work well with others. Being a one man show is counterproductive to the "Shinichi grows as a person by being Conan" theme. It would fit better with Gosho's goal to make Conan the intelligent type who knows how to leverage his resources to put all the mystery pieces together.

There's still time for this—putting him in unfamiliar situations or, in effect, blocking his ability to use his knowledge to solve things entirely on his own. Shinichi/Conan will not learn humility if he keeps succeeding—he either needs to be knocked down a peg or to run into a situation that he, alone, simply cannot solve. There have to be limits to the sheer amount of information he's memorized.

•Having Conan and Hakuba become rivals that stay rivals because they want to one up each other at Kid cases.

It has been awhile since Hakuba has appeared in Detective Conan, and the last Kid case was from Files 828–830—maybe it's time for them to clash in the next Kid case, since it certainly would be something new.

Stuff that isn't technically missed yet because it could still happen:
•Focus on non-teen non-romance conflict. Most of the drama focuses on the teen characters, leaving the adults and the children mostly under-used except for romance. Kogoro doesn't have any professional private detective rivals nor threats to the reputation of his office. Ayumi, Genta, and Mitsuhiko rarely interact with other kids st school, nor do they have adults concerned about their wellbeing, and they never decide they are bored of being detectives and leave the group for the latest fad. It's not like teens are the only things that sell either: the Sato and Mastuda arc is probably the most popular non-BO extended plot arcs.

I concur. It's not like there's anything stopping Gosho from doing these things.

•Underuse of Kogoro and Agasa in general.

Kogoro is one of Detective Conan's most recurring characters, but while he no longer smokes, has a much cleaner appearance, and does not display straight-up parody-level incompetence, he still is so much like the Kogoro that we were introduced to in File 2. There are those three cases that he mainly solved on his own, but 3 out of 266 isn't much, at all. He is completely oblivious to the Black Organization, and to Shinichi/Conan using him as a tool because his efforts as a detective, for most of the time, are sorely inadequate. He still keeps Eri away from him with his drunken womanizing. He is a good person, underneath all the flaws, but we need character development for him, and involvement in the plot arcs, as in him being an active player.

Agasa is Shinichi's/Conan's first confidant, and provides him with so many gadgets to help him cope with the problems his stature brings and for other practical purposes. The last gadget he invented was back in Volume 37—the Anywhere Ball-Dispensing Belt—that's 50 Volumes of no new gadgets. Shinichi's/Conan's paranoia over anyone being in the Black Organization's crosshairs has prevented any of his closest comrades from being directly involved in his plans against the Black Organization, including Agasa. Depending on whether the Fusae Campbell business is brought up again, Agasa may have a more direct role in the plot.

General this probably could have been designed better:

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•The whole Bourbon arc in general and especially the arc finale. I have made some suggestions elsewhere about this.

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For the sake of everyone disappointed by this arc, I agree that the arc should have had more payoff/impact. However, there still can be payoff for Bourbon arc elements in the Rum arc or subsequent arcs, so I wouldn't lose hope.

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•Masumi might as well not have been introduced until recently.

Spoiler:

She was introduced to be the first Bourbon suspect other than Shuichi/Subaru, so for those who didn't believe that she was, her relevance was limited to her apparent connection to Shinichi/Conan and Ran, as well as Shuichi/Subaru, both of which didn't come into focus until Amuro was revealed to be Bourbon, so I see the point, here.

As for me, the Desperate Revival should have either 1) ended with Ran learning the truth that Conan = Shinichi or 2) taken place either A) within 2-5 cases after Holmes' Revelation or B) in the current arc or whatever arcs will come. It will be difficult for Gosho to top it, when the time comes to do so.

I accept the norm/status quo of Detective Conan is filler, but I hope characters like Kogoro and Shiho/Ai will become more involved in the plot and receive character development.

Also, Kir has not physically appeared since File 704/Episode 581—if the Kir arc is to have impact and relevance, she must play a key role in a case that could lead to the endgame for Detective Conan.