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MeiTanteixX wrote:
Furthermore, the maiden name sera doesn't necessarily have to be japanese, but rather the very common name used in Europe and even in the US, "Sara", which the japanese pronounced as Sera.
Sera is a family name that is written with kanji. The Europe and US names "Sara" and "Sarah" are both given names. Furthermore even if it was the European / US name being pronounced in Japanese it would most likely be written in katakana, however it is written in kanji, (世良).
The only reason the name "Sera" was used in the first place was because it makes Masumi's full name (Sera Masumi / 世良 真純) sound like the Gundam character "Seira Masu" (Sayala Mass) to complete Gosho's Gundam trio with Shuuichi and Touru. Its likely the name can be ignored other than the fact that there have been name changes to their family name in the family as a whole.
Oh, didn't know about the kanji and katanaka rule.... my bad, thanks for notifying me. either way, I doubt gosho was trying to change the MG eye style...as to the family name changes, it was most likely AKAI->SERA, Shuichi kept his surname AKAI, Masumi went with the change to SERA, and shuukichi(for an unknown reason) went with a second change from SERA->Haneda.
DC's Awesome Qoutes:
Spoiler:
Bourbon:''A child's curiosity and a detective's spirit of inquiry do have much in common'' Vermouth:''A secret makes a woman, woman'' Mary/Gin:''It's like encountering a demon in the darkness...'' Akai Shuichi:''Fear of death is worse than death itself'' Shinichi Kudo:''following the smell of blood to arrive upon a crime scene, using every one of your senses to hunt the culprit, then once you've seized hold of him, sinking your sharp teeth(your evidence) until your opponent gives up the ghost, That's a detective''
MeiTanteixX wrote:
Furthermore, the maiden name sera doesn't necessarily have to be japanese, but rather the very common name used in Europe and even in the US, "Sara", which the japanese pronounced as Sera.
Sera is a family name that is written with kanji. The Europe and US names "Sara" and "Sarah" are both given names. Furthermore even if it was the European / US name being pronounced in Japanese it would most likely be written in katakana, however it is written in kanji, (世良).
The only reason the name "Sera" was used in the first place was because it makes Masumi's full name (Sera Masumi / 世良 真純) sound like the Gundam character "Seira Masu" (Sayala Mass) to complete Gosho's Gundam trio with Shuuichi and Touru. Its likely the name can be ignored other than the fact that there have been name changes to their family name in the family as a whole.
Oh, didn't know about the kanji and katanaka rule.... my bad, thanks for notifying me. either way, I doubt gosho was trying to change the MG eye style...as to the family name changes, it was most likely AKAI->SERA, Shuichi kept his surname AKAI, Masumi went with the change to SERA, and shuukichi(for an unknown reason) went with a second change from SERA->Haneda.
As for katakana and kanji, its not really a rule. Its just that Katakana is used for the purpose of bringing foreign sounds (and words) in to the Japanese understanding. This is done for both words and names that are not native to Japanese. An example of this would be trying to write "Chris Vineyard" in Japanese. As for kanji, usually if a name has kanji that would imply that the name is Japanese. There are cases where a foreign name can have kanji, but those are unlikely.
As for the family name thing, what I was trying to get at most was that "Sera" was a family name/last name, meaning that it really can't compare that well to the Europe/US name "Sara" and "Sarah" because they are given/first names.
As for the eye art thing, the reason I brought that up (and I think someone else mentioned as well) is because the slight change occurred during the Shogi case where it was shown that Mystery Girl and Akai may know who Shuukichi is. The eyes were made to closer resemble Shuukichi's eyes with the thicker black triangles at the edge of the eyes specifically during a case where he was present. Her eyes remained this way in her appearances in the Pool Case as well. I thought that made it at the very least worth mentioning, even if it doesn't actually prove or mean anything.
I hope that I can find someway to contribute to the community even if it's just random crack theories and looking things up for people who can't find the information they need.
After the latest Chapter(File 973), where Eisuke's and Shuukichi's similarity was better displayed, it looks like my theory about Eisuke/Hidemi's mother and Shuukichi/Shuichi's father being siblings is getting closer to being true. Adding to the possibility that Akai wanted to say that his father was "CIA" rather than "FBI", it adds another layer to the possible connection between the Akai and The Hondou family.
So, Here's a Summary to all the mentioned "Possible relations":
Bourbon:''A child's curiosity and a detective's spirit of inquiry do have much in common'' Vermouth:''A secret makes a woman, woman'' Mary/Gin:''It's like encountering a demon in the darkness...'' Akai Shuichi:''Fear of death is worse than death itself'' Shinichi Kudo:''following the smell of blood to arrive upon a crime scene, using every one of your senses to hunt the culprit, then once you've seized hold of him, sinking your sharp teeth(your evidence) until your opponent gives up the ghost, That's a detective''
It just seems off how many supposed first cousins don't know about each other. If Shuichi and Hidemi were that closely related, wouldn't they have recognised each other in "Black Impact" and "A Clash of Red and Black"? Whenever Shuichi first encountered Kir, wouldn't his first thought be "What's my cousin doing in the BO?"
If he already knew that she was a CIA agent, he would've told his colleagues as soon as she was captured. That he didn't do so means he didn't know, and his totally unsurprised reaction to Mizunashi Rena would imply that he had never met her prior to 425.
Swagnarok wrote:It just seems off how many supposed first cousins don't know about each other. If Shuichi and Hidemi were that closely related, wouldn't they have recognised each other in "Black Impact" and "A Clash of Red and Black"? Whenever Shuichi first encountered Kir, wouldn't his first thought be "What's my cousin doing in the BO?"
If he already knew that she was a CIA agent, he would've told his colleagues as soon as she was captured. That he didn't do so means he didn't know, and his totally unsurprised reaction to Mizunashi Rena would imply that he had never met her prior to 425.
It means that he either didn't know, because he has never met her before, or that he didn't remember her at that time, because it was such a long time ago that they met(as kids).
Whatever the reason may be, just because he didn't know, doesn't mean they aren't related. The real question should be, "Is it possible for Hidemi to not know her mother's maiden name?"... and if not,... "Did she just brush off the 'coincidental' similarity between shuichi's and her mother's family name?"...or ..."Did she know but ignored that 'possibly-forgotten' relation and decided to prioritize her father's will?"
DC's Awesome Qoutes:
Spoiler:
Bourbon:''A child's curiosity and a detective's spirit of inquiry do have much in common'' Vermouth:''A secret makes a woman, woman'' Mary/Gin:''It's like encountering a demon in the darkness...'' Akai Shuichi:''Fear of death is worse than death itself'' Shinichi Kudo:''following the smell of blood to arrive upon a crime scene, using every one of your senses to hunt the culprit, then once you've seized hold of him, sinking your sharp teeth(your evidence) until your opponent gives up the ghost, That's a detective''
k11chi wrote:Can't really call that a baseless theory but at the moment I just don't see it happening.
Yeah, I agree.
...and what's the endgame of all this? What's the answer to the question, "okay, they're related... so what?"
“Life is infinitely stranger than anything which the mind of man could invent. We would not dare to conceive the things which are really mere commonplaces of existence. If we could fly out of that window hand in hand, hover over this great city, gently remove the roofs, and and peep in at the queer things which are going on, the strange coincidences, the plannings, the cross-purposes, the wonderful chains of events, working through generations, and leading to the most outre results, it would make all fiction with its conventionalities and foreseen conclusions most stale and unprofitable.”
“Education never ends... it is a series of lessons, with the greatest for the last.”
― Arthur Conan Doyle, The Complete Adventures of Sherlock Holmes and His Last Bow
"I have decided to stick to love... hate is too great a burden to bear."
— Martin Luther King Jr. (A Testament of Hope: The Essential Writings and Speeches of Martin Luther King, Jr)
k11chi wrote:Can't really call that a baseless theory but at the moment I just don't see it happening.
Yeah, I agree.
...and what's the endgame of all this? What's the answer to the question, "okay, they're related... so what?"
Just Like with the Elena/Mary relation, it could potentially play a role in this or future arcs. (Mr. Akai and Ethan Hondou being CIA buddies that shared a vital info with each other...or Mr. Akai going out of his way to save his niece, assuming he's alive).
Either way, whether it serves a purpose or not, this is the artistic implication Gosho is giving out, so that's that.
DC's Awesome Qoutes:
Spoiler:
Bourbon:''A child's curiosity and a detective's spirit of inquiry do have much in common'' Vermouth:''A secret makes a woman, woman'' Mary/Gin:''It's like encountering a demon in the darkness...'' Akai Shuichi:''Fear of death is worse than death itself'' Shinichi Kudo:''following the smell of blood to arrive upon a crime scene, using every one of your senses to hunt the culprit, then once you've seized hold of him, sinking your sharp teeth(your evidence) until your opponent gives up the ghost, That's a detective''
MeiTanteixX wrote:Either way, whether it serves a purpose or not, this is the artistic implication Gosho is giving out, so that's that.
Except it isn't, really. Plenty of other characters have a widow's peak.
Besides, you'd think Gosho would've had an AC hint, interview or postcard addressing this, even with how long it's been since Hidemi/Rena/Kir last appeared.
“Life is infinitely stranger than anything which the mind of man could invent. We would not dare to conceive the things which are really mere commonplaces of existence. If we could fly out of that window hand in hand, hover over this great city, gently remove the roofs, and and peep in at the queer things which are going on, the strange coincidences, the plannings, the cross-purposes, the wonderful chains of events, working through generations, and leading to the most outre results, it would make all fiction with its conventionalities and foreseen conclusions most stale and unprofitable.”
“Education never ends... it is a series of lessons, with the greatest for the last.”
― Arthur Conan Doyle, The Complete Adventures of Sherlock Holmes and His Last Bow
"I have decided to stick to love... hate is too great a burden to bear."
— Martin Luther King Jr. (A Testament of Hope: The Essential Writings and Speeches of Martin Luther King, Jr)
DCUniverseAficionado wrote:
Except it isn't, really. Plenty of other characters have a widow's peak.
Besides, you'd think Gosho would've had an AC hint, interview or postcard addressing this, even with how long it's been since Hidemi/Rena/Kir last appeared.
It's more than just the widow's peak(as I've addressed in the similarities).
Since questions regarding the Hondou hasn't been popping up, there's no reason to address it in AC/interviews/postcards.
DC's Awesome Qoutes:
Spoiler:
Bourbon:''A child's curiosity and a detective's spirit of inquiry do have much in common'' Vermouth:''A secret makes a woman, woman'' Mary/Gin:''It's like encountering a demon in the darkness...'' Akai Shuichi:''Fear of death is worse than death itself'' Shinichi Kudo:''following the smell of blood to arrive upon a crime scene, using every one of your senses to hunt the culprit, then once you've seized hold of him, sinking your sharp teeth(your evidence) until your opponent gives up the ghost, That's a detective''
I think Gosho is a writer/artist who is really careful with details.
I am absolute convinced he made Shuichi take of his hat and wet his hair in the case just to make the similarities clear
Yes you are right, and the similarities this time could be just a red herring, just to take our focus from the Rum-Asaca-thing. But i´m pretty sure it just not coincidence or carelessness.
I think the similarity here is just coincidental...
It's pretty common in anime and manga to have similar looking character arts drawn by the same artist when they don't really look alike in the story.. and I think this is that kind of similarity (unless Aoyama confirms it as not a coincidence at least which is something I hope would never happen )
People talking about the resemblance of characters... Same face syndrome. Quite common with mangakas who have the distinct style of drawing characters. Gosho being one of them.
*points at Arina Tanemura and Rumiko Takahashi*
The Eleventh Doctor wrote:Never ignore coincidence. Unless you are busy. Then always ignore the coincidence.
either way, I doubt gosho was trying to change the MG eye style...as to the family name changes, it was most likely AKAI->SERA, Shuichi kept his surname AKAI, Masumi went with the change to SERA, and shuukichi(for an unknown reason) went with a second change from SERA->Haneda.
