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In another topic I wrote:
Nemomon wrote:But there's one thing that I cannot stop thinking of.

Rei said: "You'd have a hard time cleaning up the mess".

What mess? The "Vermouth's the Boss' mother/father/aunt/lover/sister/&c" is a pretty simple and straightforward thing. What would Vermouth have to clean up if that leaked to the BO? More importantly, what evidence Rei has? I don't think the BO would trust Rei if he wouldn't have a very hard evidence - evidence who exactly the Boss is and evidence that he's related to Vermouth. If he didn't have a very hard evidence, the Boss could always counter his heories and order to kill him as a traitor.

Which also is funny, if Vermouth is blackmailed, why didn't she let the Boss know about that? The Boss also is at a dangerous situation right now, and he also would need to take action for not letting such an info floating around.

I think that the Boss could be in a coma state, and the mail Vermouth received in the car with Conan was not from the Boss, but from Rum. That would explain why the tone was so bossy even though Vermouth is the Boss' mother.
The theory is:

The Boss is just the founder of the BO. He probably found it with Rum and Vermouth. Vermouth is the Boss' mother, Rum could be their friend or someone.

But the Boss currently is in a critical state or maybe even in coma, and the BO (read: Rum) spends money to keep him alive. Rum also is threatening Vermouth that if she won't work along with the BO, her son - the Boss - will die. Therefore Vermouth works with the BO even though she despises it very much. She probably also wants the BO being destroyed, so she no longer will be threatened by Rum.

In the meantime Rum took place of the Boss and acts as if he would be the Boss himself. He has three identities that he's using whenever he needs so:

- The Boss
- Rum
- his real name

He noticed that the BO is being more than infiltrated, and he decided to make a move himself. Of course he cannot do so as the Boss (it would look stupid if the Boss himself would start hunting the moles), therefore he is investigating the case as the Boss' right hand. Who would thought that the Boss and the Boss' right hand is the same person? Nobody...
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One more thing.

Someone in the series said that the drug originally wasn't meant to be a poison. Therefore we can conclude that it was meant to be a cure.

The Boss is already dead. But somehow they may bring him to life by turning him into a child. That's what Vermouth tried to say when she said: "We can be both of God and the Devil. Since we're trying to raise the dead against the stream of time." She wants to bring back her dead son alive. Her some other quotes more or less can suggest that she didn't have a nice and peaceful life. For example that "blame God" could mean that she blames the God that he took her son from her.

Of course Shiho would know what exactly the drug was meant to be. When she took it, she knew that she probably will die, but there would also a chance that she would turn into a child and escape. Therefore from the very start she knew that the drug shrinks people and hoped that she will shrink too.

The only thing that would contradict this theory is Gin. If Gin don't know what exactly the medic team wants to achieve, then there's nothing contradicting. He don't know the real purpose of the drug, therefore he don't know that it was meant to shrink people.

But if Gin knows for what the drug is, then it's a different story...
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It would be interesting if it turn out to be truth, but I have few questions.

- Since when the boss is in coma/critical state?

- Why Vermouth won't just kill Rum, if he threatens her, unless Rum is next to the boss 24/7 with the gun putting on the boss' head or there's something else.

- If Rum threaten Vermouth, then wouldn't he be little reckless to give Vermouth's freedom on doing things she wants. Vermouth could do something against Rum during her free time unless Rum put wiretap on her, but then what Rum is listening to her 24/7 or checking where she is.

Also, when she read the boss' message (chapter 434, page 13) she had nostalgic face (as Conan noticed it later) and if it was Rum, who text her, then would she really have this kind of face? Of course, she could think of the real boss, but then when she replied to the boss she said, 'Ok, boss'. If it would be Rum, then I doubt Vermouth would call Rum a boss, especially that Rum threatens her and her son. Vermouth's words 'Ok, Boss' could be sarcasm, but like I said before, Conan described Vermouth's expression as 'nostalgic'. Vermouth didn't know at that time that Conan was awake, so she had no reason to fake her expression, which means that she expressed her real feelings. If it would be Rum who text, her face should show signs of anger, since Rum is someone who, threaten her and the real boss, possibly her son.

The boss could be in coma, after the message, but what, the boss suddenly fall into the coma and Rum takes control over the BO?

About Rei saying that Vermouth would have hard time to clean her mess if others BO's members would know her secret. Only few members know that Vermouth doesn't age (I think that is the case. I doubt that everyone in BO knows about Vermouth aging issues).

Let's say that Vermouth is Boss' mum. If BO's members know that BO was founded 50 years ago, then in their eyes the boss should be some old man, so if they knew that Vermouth, who is only 29, is the boss' mum, then they would already know that there is something wrong with Vermouth age either she stopped age or she de-aged. Besides, if Vermouth has aging issues, then there's big possibility that the boss also have. If BO would know that Vermouth is the boss' mum and that she doesn't age, they could assume that the boss doesn't age, too, and if Vermouth and the boss stopped aging at the same time, it's obvious that the boss, who is Vermouth's son is younger than Vermouth and what's more he should at the kid/teenager age. If, BO's members would know not only that Vermouth cannot age, but the boss cannot age, as well and in addition, he's stuck in child/teenager age, then they could use this knowledge to blackmail Vermouth and the boss or they even could stop taking the boss serious, if he, physically, younger than them or for example, they would want more money for their job (I'm assuming that the boss pays his subordinates, e.g. for assassination). Simply put it, it would cause major fuss inside the BO's. The boss could handle 2 or 4 members, but what if 10 or 20 members would know about Vermouth's aging issues and that there's possibility that the boss has aging issues, as well. Would the Boss be able to handle 10 members? Neither the boss nor Vermouth know what BO's members would do with this knowledge. If, Vermouth and the boss lucky, then BO's members would just carry on with their tasks; if they're not lucky, then BO's members would use it to their advantage.

I can imagine the boss' being in coma, but I cannot imagine Rum threatening Vermouth (It could be, because I cannot imagine Vermouth being threatened by anyone).

About not letting Boss know that she was blackmailed: We (readers) don't know that she didn't. She could, but what the boss would do. Order to kill Rei? Rei said himself that if he didn't check in, then Vermouth's secret would be leak out. I personally don't believe that Vermouth informed the boss about blackmailing. Why should she? She already know that Rei may not be killed as by killing him, she risks that her secret associated to the boss will be exposed.

I agree that Rum's mission may be about BO being infiltrated, though. Maybe even the boss noticed weird Vermouth's behaviour and he ordered Rum to make sure that Vermouth is still on their side.

Also about the boss being in coma, there should be someone with the medical expertise, who would check on the boss' conditions and wouldn't ask inconvenient questions, for example, Rum or any other trustworthy BO's members.
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- Since when the boss is in coma/critical state?
From what we heard, the drug is being made since the half a century. But it doesn't need to mean that the BO was founded in the same time as well. It could be that the drug researches were done and after some positive results the BO was founded. It could be that the drug was meant to give eternal life or at least stop aging. After some years of testing the drug and its tests subjects, the Boss and Vermouth (possibly Rum too) decided to take the drug. It worked for Vermouth, but not for the Boss. The BO already existed back then, but since its name isn't BO but something else, back then it was not a criminal organization. It turned to be criminal later.

I would say that the Boss is in coma/died since at least 30 to 40 years. Which would mean that they needed ~20+ years to test if the drug really stops aging.
- Why Vermouth won't just kill Rum, if he threatens her, unless Rum is next to the boss 24/7 with the gun putting on the boss' head or there's something else.
It could be that Vermouth doesn't know where the Boss is hidden and doesn't have access to him. When she took the drug, she was awerage young. Probably Rum as a guy who had cash to run the drug tests found an underground hospital which took the Boss and didn't ask the questions. Probably Rum still pays money to that hospital to keep the Boss alive and therefore keep Vermouth close to him and faithful. In fact Vermouth probably also would have a lot to say about Rum, and that's why he cannot kill her.
- If Rum threaten Vermouth, then wouldn't he be little reckless to give Vermouth's freedom on doing things she wants. Vermouth could do something against Rum during her free time unless Rum put wiretap on her, but then what Rum is listening to her 24/7 or checking where she is.
Or he doesn't have a choice. Vermouth is doing whatever she wants, and Rum cannot stop her as long as she won't try to reveal stuff. Both Rum and Vermouth are at a hard position, each one blackmailing another. Rum blackmails Vermouth that if she will try to kill him or destroy the BO, he will stop paying money and afterward the Boss will die. And Vermouth blackmails Rum that if something will happen to her, his illegal activity will be exposed to public (knowing that her son would die anyway, and there's nothing she can do about that).
Also, when she read the boss' message (chapter 434, page 13) she had nostalgic face (as Conan noticed it later) and if it was Rum, who text her, then would she really have this kind of face? Of course, she could think of the real boss, but then when she replied to the boss she said, 'Ok, boss'. If it would be Rum, then I doubt Vermouth would call Rum a boss, especially that Rum threatens her and her son. Vermouth's words 'Ok, Boss' could be sarcasm, but like I said before, Conan described Vermouth's expression as 'nostalgic'. Vermouth didn't know at that time that Conan was awake, so she had no reason to fake her expression, which means that she expressed her real feelings. If it would be Rum who text, her face should show signs of anger, since Rum is someone who, threaten her and the real boss, possibly her son.
You have a lot of right here. It could be - though I openly say it's a bit far-fetched - that the mail remained her of her son and her previous status when the Boss was alive and kicking. She received a mail from her son's mail and was reminiscing that it all used to be a different thing in the pastm when he was sending her similar mails but less bossy

But in that chapter I found something interesting. At least for me. Vermouth said to Haibara that if she wants to blame someone, she should blame her parents that took over the drug researches. Which means that despite how old Haibara's parents are old, they didn't start the drug. Probably they took over the drug right after the Boss went critical state after taking it, and Haibara's parents task was to change the drug so it would bring ber the Boss.
The boss could be in coma, after the message, but what, the boss suddenly fall into the coma and Rum takes control over the BO?
I don't think this would be possible. The whole series - though super hardly believable - takes place just ~1 year (which again could suggest that Conan also cannot age). If the Boss could suddenly went coma, other BO members could notice that something wrong is with Boss' messages or something. Plus, Vermouth's strange behaviour lasts for at least some years now. If until that few months ago there was nothing wrong with the Boss, she wouldn't act strange.
Let's say that Vermouth is Boss' mum. If BO's members know that BO was founded 50 years ago, then in their eyes the boss should be some old man, so if they knew that Vermouth, who is only 29, is the boss' mum, then they would already know that there is something wrong with Vermouth age either she stopped age or she de-aged. Besides, if Vermouth has aging issues, then there's big possibility that the boss also have. If BO would know that Vermouth is the boss' mum and that she doesn't age, they could assume that the boss doesn't age, too, and if Vermouth and the boss stopped aging at the same time, it's obvious that the boss, who is Vermouth's son is younger than Vermouth and what's more he should at the kid/teenager age. If, BO's members would know not only that Vermouth cannot age, but the boss cannot age, as well and in addition, he's stuck in child/teenager age, then they could use this knowledge to blackmail Vermouth and the boss or they even could stop taking the boss serious, if he, physically, younger than them or for example, they would want more money for their job (I'm assuming that the boss pays his subordinates, e.g. for assassination). Simply put it, it would cause major fuss inside the BO's. The boss could handle 2 or 4 members, but what if 10 or 20 members would know about Vermouth's aging issues and that there's possibility that the boss has aging issues, as well. Would the Boss be able to handle 10 members? Neither the boss nor Vermouth know what BO's members would do with this knowledge. If, Vermouth and the boss lucky, then BO's members would just carry on with their tasks; if they're not lucky, then BO's members would use it to their advantage.
Yep, exactly. That's the only possible scenario that could move and divide the BO. Any other scenarios including that Vermouth's the Boss' lover, sister or daughter aren't shocking at all, and the BO wouldn't care about that info at all. But like I also said, Rei must have really strong and solid evidence to support that. Nobody in the BO will believe that a 29 yo Vermouth is the mother of the Boss. No matter what Rei will do. And the selected ones (for example Gin) that know that Vermouth has aging issues won't leave the BO just because their Boss who's at least twice older than Gin looks like a teenager.

Therefore, unless Rei has some evidence that actually will prove that de-aging is possible (common human won't believe such a lies no matter what, unless one will show that right before their eyes), and who really the Boss is and how is he connected with Vermouth, or everybody in the BO will consider Rei's theories as a stupid joke.

Which is also funny from different side - how Rei got access to that info? Maybe he already knows where the Boss is hidden...
About not letting Boss know that she was blackmailed: We (readers) don't know that she didn't. She could, but what the boss would do. Order to kill Rei? Rei said himself that if he didn't check in, then Vermouth's secret would be leak out. I personally don't believe that Vermouth informed the boss about blackmailing. Why should she? She already know that Rei may not be killed as by killing him, she risks that her secret associated to the boss will be exposed.
I think the Boss could do a lot of things. Rei it seems must confirm that he's alive from time to time. If he knew that Vermouth is blackmailed by him, he for sure could order tailing him and finding out how he confirms his alive status. Then killing Rei, and taking Vermouth his place would allow finding Rei's acquaintances. I'm pretty sure that the Boss would take an action, because by blackmailing Vermouth, Rei also blackmails the Boss himself. Rei threatens the Boss by revealing his real identity and family connections to the BO. Nobody - who especially made sure that nobody would know his real identity - would ignore this threat.

Well... unless Vermouth cannot tell the Boss that she's blackmailed by Rei, because the Boss is gone. If Rum is the "current" Boss, telling him that she's blackmailed won't change a thing.
Also about the boss being in coma, there should be someone with the medical expertise, who would check on the boss' conditions and wouldn't ask inconvenient questions, for example, Rum or any other trustworthy BO's members.
Or underground medical facility ;).
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It's interesting theory about Rum blackmailing Vermouth and the real boss being in coma, but I still have my doubts about this theory. Well, I guess, I will just wait and see if your theory is right or not.

By the way about Vermouth's quote, on the manga sites such as MangaReader and MangaHere, where I read Detective Conan, she says, "if she wants to blame someone, she should blame her parents that took over the drug researches." However DCTP's group translated it in the anime differently and the quote goes like this 'Don't hate me, hate your foolish parents for starting this experiment'.

I always thought that Vermouth's words to Ai was what she said in manga about blaming Ai's parents for taking over the dug research, so I was quite surprise to learn on this forum that Vermouth actually said her words differently in the anime and that is more accurate version. However those words contradict with what Vermouth said in manga.

In manga she said to blame Ai's parents about taking over the drug research, while in anime, which was translated by DCTP, Vermouth said to hate Ai's parents for starting this experiment.

It is kind of weird for me, because Atsushi started to work for the BO 30 years ago and BO started to work on the drug 50 years ago, so how Atsushi and Elena were the one who started the project? The only thing that I can think of is that Atsushi and Elena based their experiment on the drug research from 50 years ago.

Here is my thought about it from the 'Anokata theory' thread.
If the boss and Vermouth stopped aging, then maybe Elena and Atsushi founded this fascinating. However, they knew that not being able to age would actually bring more harm than good. They worked on the drug that would allow Vermouth and the boss to age again, but at the same time, they wanted to create the drug would expand the lifespan. Vermouth said to Ai, "Don't hate me, hate your foolish parents for starting this experiment". She could mean that they started to work on the experiment that would expand people's lifespan. Vermouth may hate Ai's parents, because they used her and the boss' condition of not aging to start this project, maybe they even used Vermouth for their experiment.

However, if that the case, then why Vermouth hates the project of extending the lifespan and the boss is all right with it, otherwise, he wouldn't allow Miyano's to work on this project. Well maybe he just wanted to age again and he didn't mind the project, because in the end it would allow him to age.
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Nemomon wrote:In another topic I wrote:
Nemomon wrote:But there's one thing that I cannot stop thinking of.

Rei said: "You'd have a hard time cleaning up the mess".

What mess? The "Vermouth's the Boss' mother/father/aunt/lover/sister/&c" is a pretty simple and straightforward thing. What would Vermouth have to clean up if that leaked to the BO? More importantly, what evidence Rei has? I don't think the BO would trust Rei if he wouldn't have a very hard evidence - evidence who exactly the Boss is and evidence that he's related to Vermouth. If he didn't have a very hard evidence, the Boss could always counter his heories and order to kill him as a traitor.

Which also is funny, if Vermouth is blackmailed, why didn't she let the Boss know about that? The Boss also is at a dangerous situation right now, and he also would need to take action for not letting such an info floating around.

I think that the Boss could be in a coma state, and the mail Vermouth received in the car with Conan was not from the Boss, but from Rum. That would explain why the tone was so bossy even though Vermouth is the Boss' mother.
The theory is:

The Boss is just the founder of the BO. He probably found it with Rum and Vermouth. Vermouth is the Boss' mother, Rum could be their friend or someone.

But the Boss currently is in a critical state or maybe even in coma, and the BO (read: Rum) spends money to keep him alive. Rum also is threatening Vermouth that if she won't work along with the BO, her son - the Boss - will die. Therefore Vermouth works with the BO even though she despises it very much. She probably also wants the BO being destroyed, so she no longer will be threatened by Rum.

In the meantime Rum took place of the Boss and acts as if he would be the Boss himself. He has three identities that he's using whenever he needs so:

- The Boss
- Rum
- his real name

He noticed that the BO is being more than infiltrated, and he decided to make a move himself. Of course he cannot do so as the Boss (it would look stupid if the Boss himself would start hunting the moles), therefore he is investigating the case as the Boss' right hand. Who would thought that the Boss and the Boss' right hand is the same person? Nobody...
I read somewhere that Ai stated that there is no changing bosses in BO, meaning, if the boss is the same person from day one the organisation operate (about 50 years ago) then Vermouth is likely to be at least 85 years old by now (the boss' age has to be around mid 60 - 70 y.o then Vermouth has to giving birth to the boss at age around 17 - 20 y.o) ? How could this happen ? Was Vermouth took pills too ? Please, enlighten me
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If we assume that Vermouth stopped aging (stopped aging not de-aging) fifty years ago and she was then 29 years old (I think it's her physical age, though I'm not sure), then Vermouth should be 79 years old, right now.

If Vermouth is the boss' mum and she gave birth to him, let's say at the age of 20, so it would be 59 years ago. Of course, if we assume that Vermouth was 29 years, when she stopped aging 50 years ago.

I just want to emphasize that these all are just assumptions/guesses. Vermouth may not be the boss' mum, but have some other relation to the boss and Vermouth might not stopped aging fifty years ago, but some time after that or even before. I expect that we get the answer, just before we will know the boss' identity or after.
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soul_dreamer wrote:If we assume that Vermouth stopped aging (stopped aging not de-aging) fifty years ago and she was then 29 years old (I think it's her physical age, though I'm not sure), then Vermouth should be 79 years old, right now.

If Vermouth is the boss' mum and she gave birth to him, let's say at the age of 20, so it would be 59 years ago. Of course, if we assume that Vermouth was 29 years, when she stopped aging 50 years ago.

I just want to emphasize that these all are just assumptions/guesses. Vermouth may not be the boss' mum, but have some other relation to the boss and Vermouth might not stopped aging fifty years ago, but some time after that or even before. I expect that we get the answer, just before we will know the boss' identity or after.
but sharon where shown old in some chapter so if vermouth is both sharon and chris then she deaged somehow
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Her old face is make up. Yukiko called her on this in mystery train.

By my understanding. She uses make up to look older so she look like Sharon's age. (While her face is as youthful as Chris's age)
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In chapter 823, Yukiko said to Vermouth, "To think that the great actress Sharon Vineyard was nothing but some aging make up." Basically Vermouth used some make up to look older. I've understood this way, at least.

It could be actually the case that Vermouth de-aged, first and then stopped aging. We don't know yet, when Vermouth de-aged and stopped aging, but I'm guessing it was 30-50 years ago.
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there are actually and exactly seven types of rum

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to be honest (number seven) have been repeated a lot when comes org arc chapters,
just if anyone agrees ,seven children - seven shogi titles and what i hopefully added here
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Nemomon wrote:In another topic I wrote:
Nemomon wrote:But there's one thing that I cannot stop thinking of.

Rei said: "You'd have a hard time cleaning up the mess".

What mess? The "Vermouth's the Boss' mother/father/aunt/lover/sister/&c" is a pretty simple and straightforward thing. What would Vermouth have to clean up if that leaked to the BO? More importantly, what evidence Rei has? I don't think the BO would trust Rei if he wouldn't have a very hard evidence - evidence who exactly the Boss is and evidence that he's related to Vermouth. If he didn't have a very hard evidence, the Boss could always counter his heories and order to kill him as a traitor.

Which also is funny, if Vermouth is blackmailed, why didn't she let the Boss know about that? The Boss also is at a dangerous situation right now, and he also would need to take action for not letting such an info floating around.

I think that the Boss could be in a coma state, and the mail Vermouth received in the car with Conan was not from the Boss, but from Rum. That would explain why the tone was so bossy even though Vermouth is the Boss' mother.
The theory is:

The Boss is just the founder of the BO. He probably found it with Rum and Vermouth. Vermouth is the Boss' mother, Rum could be their friend or someone.

But the Boss currently is in a critical state or maybe even in coma, and the BO (read: Rum) spends money to keep him alive. Rum also is threatening Vermouth that if she won't work along with the BO, her son - the Boss - will die. Therefore Vermouth works with the BO even though she despises it very much. She probably also wants the BO being destroyed, so she no longer will be threatened by Rum.

In the meantime Rum took place of the Boss and acts as if he would be the Boss himself. He has three identities that he's using whenever he needs so:

- The Boss
- Rum
- his real name

He noticed that the BO is being more than infiltrated, and he decided to make a move himself. Of course he cannot do so as the Boss (it would look stupid if the Boss himself would start hunting the moles), therefore he is investigating the case as the Boss' right hand. Who would thought that the Boss and the Boss' right hand is the same person? Nobody...
Sounds like you have the beginnings of an interesting fanfic. But as a theory, you didn't supply enough evidence.

All that we know about Rum is that they are probably male, and very high up in the organization. We know that Vermouth is important to the boss beyond being a talented agent, and she's roughly Gin's peer in the organization, so Rum probably outranks her. It's a really long way to go from there to your theory.

We know that the drug the Miyanos worked on was important to the organization, part of a larger goal, one stretching back half a century. If the Boss was out of commission for that long, wouldn't someone have noticed? Vermouth isn't the only person who speaks with the Boss.
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soul_dreamer wrote:By the way about Vermouth's quote, on the manga sites such as MangaReader and MangaHere, where I read Detective Conan, she says, "if she wants to blame someone, she should blame her parents that took over the drug researches." However DCTP's group translated it in the anime differently and the quote goes like this 'Don't hate me, hate your foolish parents for starting this experiment'.
The anime actually differs here and has "began" instead of "took over".
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usotsuki wrote:
soul_dreamer wrote:By the way about Vermouth's quote, on the manga sites such as MangaReader and MangaHere, where I read Detective Conan, she says, "if she wants to blame someone, she should blame her parents that took over the drug researches." However DCTP's group translated it in the anime differently and the quote goes like this 'Don't hate me, hate your foolish parents for starting this experiment'.
The anime actually differs here and has "began" instead of "took over".
Yeah that what I've said. In anime, Vermouth says, "Don't hate me...for starting(began) this experiment", which is different from manga, where Vermouth said 'took over' instead of 'start'. I haven't watched that episode, yet. I only find out that Vermouth's sentence differs in anime, on this forum and that anime's version is more accurate.
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Well, I wanted to make sure it was clear that that was an anime difference and not a *mistranslation*, as both happen from time to time.
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