I don't think Conan will ever end

[mangaluva]

I think Godzilla fed ON our Pokemon. Oh, it's okay, it was only Magikarp sushi.

[bluekaitou1412]

*gasp* WE DON'T HAVE THE ULTIMATE POWER OF MAGIKARP'S SPLASH NOW! WE LOST OUR SECRET WEAPON!

[mangaluva]

It's okay, we still have... The Machine.

[bluekaitou1412]

What machine? Time Machine?

[xGinx]

Cookies Machine?? 

[Tanner-kun]

Cookies Machine?? 

ohh .. um the oven well you now those gin cookies...

bzz this is red leader we have been spoted bzzz im going for a emargancy landing sen..bzz.. back repeat send back up bzzz

retreating for diner, i stoped makeing bzz were breaking up like sound, save me some of pidgey (closest thing to fried chicken)

[mangaluva]

Just... The Machine. (Sounds better in Hugh Dennis' most ominous voice.)

[bluekaitou1412]

Ooooohhhhhh.....


The Machine~

[soratothamax]

I know what you mean but we are talking about Japan. So I'm not sure Aoyama does just feel free to stop the job just because he feels it's enough for him. I mean, you have the social pressure. You can't quit your job just because you want it here.

so japan believes in slavery and forcing people to do things for living they don't want to do? this seems...odd.
Gosho has the master cards here. He has the rights over DC. Shounen sunday only has the publishing rights and if Gosho wants to finish, they can't do anything to him.
I, as a writer, don't believe a writer can be forced to write, otherwise the result is awful. When I will get my novel published, I will want to continue another novel in the series. Even if my books will be a greater hit than Harry Potter, I will write only as much as I'll need for the story and not strech it any more than that. Most of the stories that ended, but still a writer continues to write just because his work is popular, only fail eventually because the story isn't as good as it was. Thankfully, Gosho didn't end his story yet.

That's kind of overexaggerating, Kor. Especially the slavery part. To publish anything, you need a publishing contract, which gives both you and the publishers- and marketers or any other parties involved- different levels of power. The write does not hold 100% of the power. This practice exists in all countries, in case you were wondering. It's just that Japanese social codes are a little stricter when it comes to work than they are in the west. It's not slavery. It's just stricter. In any country, if you've entered a publishing contract, you kind of owe the publishers to actually turn up the agreed amount of work. Think of Yuusaku getting stalked by his editors. Professional writers can't enter a contract then churn out a book a decade later, or whenever the hell they feel like it. All parties in a publishing contract have levels of rights and power, and that means that mangaka or authors or whatever have to turn up the goods. That's how it works.

Absolutely. It's not called slavery, it's called business. Aside from that, professional writing is 40% creativity, and 60% psychological (which includes business pressures, fan influence, and environmental issues within the home (paying bills, meeting family needs, etc)). Anytime you go into writing professionally Kor, it is like running a regular business.

I take it you haven't had anyone read your writing yet, have you? Wait til that day comes.... it's not as simple as just write a story. Everybody is influenced in some way by others who read the stories.

It takes guts to end a story because it won't always satisfy everyone, and you lose a lot of money that may have contributed to paying bills or buying groceries, not to mention fame and honor. Once it's done, it's done and can never return. The chances of any other story being nearly as popular is 50/100. There's a large chance others will follow the writer through, but also a large chance that people will move on...

[soratothamax]

[quote author=Mizzicco link=topic=2286.msg55190#msg55190 date=1257045984

We know it isn't gonna happen soon. Gosho's trying to stall.

It's a sign of commitment issues. He can't commit.

... actually, I wonder if he really has troubles committing to women. All his male characters share that same trait -- not being able to tell the women they love how they feel. Most deal by pouring all their passion into their work (Conan, Heiji, Takagi, Professor Agasa, Sonoko's Judo champion boyfriend) while others pour all their passion into worthless vices (Kogoro, Genta (he likes Ayumi, eats to suppress the pain).

Gosho keeps writing Conan because he can't tell the woman he loves how he feels. It'll go on forever!!!
[/quote]

Actually, and I have to find this article before everyone starts asking, but I heard that his wife is represented by Ran, Aoko, and those types of girls like them. But when he was younger he had a hard time telling his wife he loved her. They were childhood friends....

Though i heard they are now going through or have gone through a divorce because he was so wrapped up in his writing....

Now the girl who was inspired to make the girls Ai, Akako, etc was a his first woman assistant...he also knew her since childhood. He says she's very clever...

I have to find this interview and explanation. I heard this somewhere and can't remember.... Before you flame me, just be patient, I WILL find it!

[Abs.]

Actually, and I have to find this article before everyone starts asking, but I heard that his wife is represented by Ran, Aoko, and those types of girls like them. But when he was younger he had a hard time telling his wife he loved her. They were childhood friends....

Though i heard they are now going through or have gone through a divorce because he was so wrapped up in his writing....

Now the girl who was inspired to make the girls Ai, Akako, etc was a his first woman assistant...he also knew her since childhood. He says she's very clever...

I have to find this interview and explanation. I heard this somewhere and can't remember.... Before you flame me, just be patient, I WILL find it!

That contradicts just about everything in regards to anything.

[kkslider5552000]

Actually, and I have to find this article before everyone starts asking, but I heard that his wife is represented by Ran, Aoko, and those types of girls like them. But when he was younger he had a hard time telling his wife he loved her. They were childhood friends....

Though i heard they are now going through or have gone through a divorce because he was so wrapped up in his writing....

Now the girl who was inspired to make the girls Ai, Akako, etc was a his first woman assistant...he also knew her since childhood. He says she's very clever...

I have to find this interview and explanation. I heard this somewhere and can't remember.... Before you flame me, just be patient, I WILL find it!

That contradicts just about everything in regards to anything.

I dunno, Gosho knowing Conan's voice actress when she was a child wouldn't be the weirdest coincidence I've heard of.

[Kor]

So you're bumping that thing?

I take it you haven't had anyone read your writing yet, have you?

No, you're wrong 

[mangaluva]

I know what you mean but we are talking about Japan. So I'm not sure Aoyama does just feel free to stop the job just because he feels it's enough for him. I mean, you have the social pressure. You can't quit your job just because you want it here.

so japan believes in slavery and forcing people to do things for living they don't want to do? this seems...odd.
Gosho has the master cards here. He has the rights over DC. Shounen sunday only has the publishing rights and if Gosho wants to finish, they can't do anything to him.
I, as a writer, don't believe a writer can be forced to write, otherwise the result is awful. When I will get my novel published, I will want to continue another novel in the series. Even if my books will be a greater hit than Harry Potter, I will write only as much as I'll need for the story and not strech it any more than that. Most of the stories that ended, but still a writer continues to write just because his work is popular, only fail eventually because the story isn't as good as it was. Thankfully, Gosho didn't end his story yet.

That's kind of overexaggerating, Kor. Especially the slavery part. To publish anything, you need a publishing contract, which gives both you and the publishers- and marketers or any other parties involved- different levels of power. The write does not hold 100% of the power. This practice exists in all countries, in case you were wondering. It's just that Japanese social codes are a little stricter when it comes to work than they are in the west. It's not slavery. It's just stricter. In any country, if you've entered a publishing contract, you kind of owe the publishers to actually turn up the agreed amount of work. Think of Yuusaku getting stalked by his editors. Professional writers can't enter a contract then churn out a book a decade later, or whenever the hell they feel like it. All parties in a publishing contract have levels of rights and power, and that means that mangaka or authors or whatever have to turn up the goods. That's how it works.

Absolutely. It's not called slavery, it's called business. Aside from that, professional writing is 40% creativity, and 60% psychological (which includes business pressures, fan influence, and environmental issues within the home (paying bills, meeting family needs, etc)). Anytime you go into writing professionally Kor, it is like running a regular business.

I take it you haven't had anyone read your writing yet, have you? Wait til that day comes.... it's not as simple as just write a story. Everybody is influenced in some way by others who read the stories.

It takes guts to end a story because it won't always satisfy everyone, and you lose a lot of money that may have contributed to paying bills or buying groceries, not to mention fame and honor. Once it's done, it's done and can never return. The chances of any other story being nearly as popular is 50/100. There's a large chance others will follow the writer through, but also a large chance that people will move on...

All agreed. It's not always a bad thing to change in response to readers (I changed my characterization of Saguru in WPBIO because a number of readers pointed out that I was painting him as a bit too much of an asshole... and they were right ^_^;) but professional writers have even more obligation to keep readers happy, since their paycheck is in it. Still, it's impossible to keep everyone happy, and some will be annoyed at your perceived loss of integrity... Creativity and business don't always work well together (except for those who do their best work in Deadline Panic XD) but them's the breaks. Aoyama just needs to gamble on ending the manga at a believable point, but one where we're still wanting a little more (not when we're sick to the back teeth of it) and thus more likely to read his next work, given his propensity for self-referencing. It's a judgement call.

[soratothamax]

Thank you Mangaluva for your compliment.

About Rinne, I'm not pretty sure but it's seems this manga isn't really popular now. But I don't read it so I didn't check any informations about it recently.
Well, maybe if they plan to create an animation about this manga, that means it becomes popular.
But as you said, if it becomes popular, maybe Aoyama will be free to stop Conan when he wants.

I don't remember where I read it (no source so that's not a pretty good information, sorry), but recently DC isn't so popular anymore. If that's true, that's also means we have a chance to see the end of this long story pretty soon.

Actually, usually the less popular it is, the better chance of there being a cliffhanger ending. There's a better chance of him just dropping the whole idea if it becomes less and less popular. But with pressure from fans to end the series, it will end someday....but it might not end the way everybody wants it to end.