Madoka movie 3 rebellion

[mangaluva]

YEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS THANK YOU I LOVE YOU

[bluekaitou1412]

Thank you, too! *runs off to watch*

[mangaluva]

After reading a LOT of meta concerning this movie, I THINK I almost understand what happened in it... maybe?

[aly_angelflight]

Even the meta analyses aren't consistent... :v

[mangaluva]

They largely seem to vary depending on whether you've read Paradise Lost or are a hardcore Buddhist.

[kirite]

Spoiler:

I think I will forever and ever rage about the ending. Why movie WHY?! The whole "love turns her crazy/evil" or more specifically "love turns her into the devil" has been done so many many #*$(#)*$ times!!! Especially in Yuri. Shinbo I don't think I can ever forgive you D<.

But hmm...if you make Kyuubee suffer more I might forgive you. /sits back and eats popcorn awaiting suffering to make up for my suffering.

[mangaluva]

Spoiler:

Gen Urobochi was involved. Likely the whole point is that love makes you crazy and nobody will ever really be happy in the end and everybody's going to suffer and die sooner or later.

Maybe I'm just bitter because I do shipp Homura/Madoka and I don't like being reminded that Homura's feelings for Madoka went to an unhealthy level of obsession a very long time ago and her going to these lengths really shouldn't be surprising.

[kirite]

Spoiler:

Gen Urobochi was involved. Likely the whole point is that love makes you crazy and nobody will ever really be happy in the end and everybody's going to suffer and die sooner or later.

Maybe I'm just bitter because I do shipp Homura/Madoka and I don't like being reminded that Homura's feelings for Madoka went to an unhealthy level of obsession a very long time ago and her going to these lengths really shouldn't be surprising.

Spoiler:

Believe it or not Gen Urobochi wanted to give an end where Homura went with Madoka and they would be together, but then got convinced to change the ending so they can continue the series. Urobochi was really tough during the TV series (which he wrote and didn't plan to continue), he didn't listen to anyone and didn't expand the series or brought anyone back to life. I wish he was just as tough here.

I actually like most of the movie (I loooove Madoka/Homura). But big sections of it irritate me.

Homura is pretty much going "Oh Madoka, you don't know what happiness is, you're actually very unhappy right now. -I- know what happiness is and what's best for you. In fact I'm the only one in the world who knows what's best for you and the only one in the world who cares for you this much. Since you're such a good person you have no idea what you want or how to take care of yourself. I shouldn't have -let- you make your own choices. I should have done everything for you.

I like the Sayaka/Kyouko parts though I wish they specified that Sayaka understands Kyouko suffered to help her. Like how Homura suffered to help Madoka. Right now it feels their relationship is a little out of no where since Sayaka before doesn't like Kyouko much, much less her best friend. But then I guess that's the illusion as well. Love the Kyouko/Homura interaction too. I love how Kyouko worries for depressed Homura just as she worry for depressed Sayaka. It shows her amazing character.

In the TV series Homura and Madoka are connected by Madoka's love of the world per say. A "I'll protect the world you love now that you're gone until we meet again kinda deal". Here it seems Homura doesn't care about Madoka's choices. She's pretty much trying to control someone else and not respecting that other person as a person.

Madoka: Let's be together forever : D. After so much suffering we can finally be happy together forever \o/.
Homura: Sure, but I like the old you more. The you now is so unhappy! And I hate your place it's so lame /proceed to cut off a chunk of Madoka
Madoka: Umm...stop that? What's the big idea?

And what's with AkuHomu's personality. Oooo look her hands are all floaty. So evil you guiz. Love gives you lipstick cause evil people wear make up.

[Vylash]

What Urobochi had to say about rebellion

Spoiler:

[mangaluva]

Spoiler:

Homura wasn't deciding what was best for Madoka for her, though. She thought she was genuinely doing what Madoka wanted. Remember the second scene where Madoka and Homura were talking in the field of flowers, and the flowers kept changing in relation to Homura's mood? At that time, Homura asked Madoka if she could give up everything. Madoka, being without memories, said that she could never make Homura cry or leave behind all of her family and friends. Remember how horrified Homura looked? She thought that Madoka didn't want to make the wish that she did, that she was unhappy being the Law of Cycles and had done it out of duty alone, and that she'd be happier being severed from the Law of Cycles. That was why she did it. Her unhealthy obsession with making sure Madoka happy involved, in her mind, overriding Madoka's sense of duty that was making her unhappy.

...Of course, Madoka didn't have her memories at the time, so she didn't understand what Homura was asking or what she would subsequently plan to do. At the very end, when Homura says that Madoka may also become her enemy someday, that's her realizing that maybe she hasn't helped Madoka become truly happy, but she can't go back now.

Also, Sayaka's feelings for Kyoko don't come out of nowhere. It's heavily implied that, once she became an agent of the Law of Cycles, she was able to see all of the Alternate Universes, which is how she knew about witches and was able to summon Oktavia. In some of the other timelines, she and Kyoko were much closer friends; it's implied that in the last timeline we see in the anime that they were very good friends. Kyoko says as much in grief over Sayaka vanishing. Like how Madoka was able to see what Homura had done for her once she became Madokami, Sayaka was able to see her friendship with Kyoko. Note that in the reality that Homura created initially, the one where she subconsciously arranged matters so that all of the Puella Magi were living their ideal lives, Sayaka and Kyoko were living together; Kyoko had a happy home at last, and Sayaka... didn't seem so upset about losing Kyosuke. Read that how you will, but apparently one of the creators mentioned that Kyoko was meant to be a foil to Kyosuke, and they do have very similar names, just with the masculine "-suke" replaced with a feminine "-ko".

I do agree that I like how much Kyoko's suppressed caring for others comes out. The bit where she's sitting across from an image of a semi-decapitated Homura after Homulily appears, and just sort of gently strokes her chin, is a very powerful moment. T_T

I don't really like how they made Homura a little more feminized and sexualized once she became Akuma Homura. The implications are bad. Still, I think her personality makes sense. She's gone thoroughly, completely insane, she no longer has any real connection with reality, and that doesn't matter because she can rewrite it. Still, though, she's gone to the lengths of creating a world where not only Madoka can be happy, but the other Puella Magi. Implicitly, there are no Puella Magi at all; Homura is dealing with the Wraiths herself. So while girls worldwide aren't getting magical wishes anymore, they aren't being driven into crushingly fatal despair by their wishes either, at least not in a magical way. Mami and Nagisa still meet and get to become friends, as do Sayaka and Kyoko. Madoka is reunited with her family.

It's not that Homura doesn't respect Madoka's choices, I think. It's that she doesn't understand how Madoka feels about her choices. Before all the shit the Incubators pulled, she probably intended to keep protecting the world in Madoka's name and then go to Puella Magi Valhalla quite happily. Btu because of what the memory-less Madoka told her, she believed that Madoka made a wish that she felt obligated to make but didn't want to make and is unhappy as a result. As we've seen, making Madoka happy is priority #1 to her, and thanks to the Incubators, she was driven far, FAR beyond the Witch Zone and past all rationality. She wasn't kidding when she said that she didn't care what sin she had to bear or what she became...