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Well... watched it. I really can't say I fully believe anyone who says they truthfully believe this season, particularly this episode, is up to the standards set by the previous installments.

As for why, ready yourself for a long read:
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Every problem mentioned with regard to the previous episode have not just been highlighted in this one but magnified considerably. I can't really think of much good to say about this one, really. Way too many contrived points to really fit into one post, but between the completely misguided tone and questionable lack of a coherent plot (which, when at the forefront, was pretty much implausible in just about every way), I didn't really find it very interesting or engaging. I always want Holmes adaptations to succeed, but this one is really sinking quick in a lot of ways but staying afloat due to having a core cast that's good and capable (including the newcomer for Mary).

Let me ask this: Is anyone going to make the argument that the majority of this episode (or season as a whole thus far) was anything but pure fan service? What percentage of the 1 hour and 25 minutes that it ran for was focused on the priming of GIF-ready tumblr moments? At least 65%? Higher? I would say upward of 80-if-not-85% was meant as winks and nods toward the fangirl populace. That's fine if that's the new direction for this series, but let me just be the first to say that this is going to wear this series thin much faster than it will gain new followers.

The extent of the so obviously deliberate GIF-worthy moments is impossible to miss or deny. The drunk scenes were so unnecessary and exist purely as fan service. It served no redeemable purpose, with that one absurdly obvious clue no doubt being implanted to make it seem like it wasn't completely about making sure fangirls knew they weren't being ignored for even a single minute of any episode.

On its own, the actual plot is surprisingly thin and may be indicative of a weakened sense of purpose for the series if not more directly the creators' interest in it. They already expended the major plot point of the canon, so I could conceivably understand that their own interest in the characters and continuing in a meaningful way may not be their foremost motivation right now. It really feels like fan fiction right now, and I have to say that I really don't think that's how a series should go. The fans are completely steering this ship right now. Something those fans will soon realize is that you actually don't want your wildest fantasies to come true at every turn. It also (as Stopwatch also correctly stated in her recent post) alienates people who don't really spend much time with Fanfiction.net, LiveJournal, and Tumblr. The problem with this is that the majority of the audience are also not in that camp, and they are the reason the show is able to exist. Having a vocal minority that obsesses over everything fan-ready is great, but now they are directly influencing the direction of the series and that really is a highly questionable move.

The mystery itself was not just implausible but also nearly nonexistent. The drama point here just wasn't effective ("Open the door!"), exactly like the last episode. The culprit again used the namesake of a canon character but pulled off a decidedly unclever crime with virtually no dialogue, instead taking the backseat to unquestionably poor drama. There's really not much point in discussing the core of the mystery on account of it really not being discussable--it accounted for about 10% of the episode at most and didn't really inspire much curiosity. What I will say is that it sure took Sherlock, in all his incredible brilliance, a loooooooooooooong time to piece together what was a very simple crime with one absurdly obvious, two-feet-taller-than-everyone-else target and a culprit that even the blind saw from miles away.

All that said, was the Waters gang plot at the beginning really just a setup for having a joke about Sherlock being best man? Really? Maybe I missed something as I had to pause around that time prior to watching the rest. That could have actually been an interesting plot (far more so than what we got later), so if that doesn't come back, I really don't even know what to say about what they're doing in that writer's room. I have an image of them now where the staff were plotting out what to do with the series and said, "We can't do that--it needs to be... more... memeable. Memeable is the word. If this scene can't be a GIF, we may as well not film it. *goes back to searching 'Sherlock' on Tumblr for inspiration*"

I have a feeling they are burning these episodes as close together as possible because they saw how poor the middle installment was for a mainstream audience and didn't want to lose any momentum from the series' much-anticipated return for the third and hopefully most worthy episode. It feels like, to me, that the series is really not about mysteries in the least anymore. It feels more like a freeform buddies' relationship exploration than anything in the mystery genre. And on a related note: Maybe it's just me, but the Mrs. Hudson character became considerably weaker in this episode. The back-story wasn't funny, it wasn't insightful, it wasn't interesting, and definitely was not in any way plausible.

This has always bothered me a little bit, but it was forgivable in the face of some really interesting and intriguing episodes in the past. But now, Sherlock and Mycroft's observations are just silly, aren't they? They are really just completely impossible and without even the slightest hint of practicality. What made that power of Holmes's actually plausible in the original stories was that it was grounded in practicality. That has always but most obviously lately been completely thrown out the window here. Conan Doyle was very grounded with how he approached this, but it's just really, really, really silly every single time Sherlock does it anymore.

What made Sherlock and John's interactions meaningful was that they were taking place within the context of unique problems and mysteries: that has always been the dynamic between these two characters, in all these interpretations and adaptations from the beginning. If you take them out of that, they really just aren't very compelling to watch interact. We need Sherlock seeing things in a brilliant way and Watson being the everyman--he sees and interprets for us, providing that balance between the mad genius that is Sherlock Holmes and the real, everyday world we're familiar with. When we really learn what these characters are about is when they interact in the course of immediate and meaningful danger. Right now, it just feels like sappy, stake-less, and sub-par drama that is doing its very best to exhaust all possible interesting directions to take these characters and their interactions.

All in all, it's like they've somehow concluded that they are incapable of writing 90 minute mysteries and instead fill the rest with fan service to fill out the runtime. Have they really run out of 90 minute ideas, or are they just making it seem that way on purpose? If you go back and rewatch the older episodes, you'll see exactly what I mean. The focus has shifted so much in these last two episodes that it really doesn't even feel like the same show anymore--and definitely isn't as good. They have really dropped the ball on this series and no doubt completely caved to the pressure. It doesn't even feel special, immediate, or interesting at this point--no longer must-see TV, barring one really stellar season finale. I'd shown earlier seasons to people in order to introduce them to what I consider one of the best Holmes features to date. However, there's really no way I'd consider showing this season to people--most of all this latest episode--lest I be held accountable for wasting their time with its innumerable shortcomings or be mistaken for in any way endorsing it as being of a high quality or worthwhile.

In short, I would say that the two years away from the show have left Gatiss and Moffat unable to remember what made the show good. As a result, they just fell back on their most basic sensibilities and played the safest cards imaginable to satisfy their most fervent fanbase and just hope they could get through the rest of it in the public eye intact.
Here's to hoping that the final episode more resembles the last two seasons. If not, I really can't see myself clamoring for more after this. This was once one of those shows where you inevitably felt like you couldn't get enough. Now it feels like we we're getting way too much--way too much of all the wrong things and very little, if any, of the good.
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I think part of the problem is that there were two light-hearted fanservice-laden episodes in a row. Either on their own probably would have been fine as a one-off, but as it is it's currently 1/4 of all Sherlock episodes.

On the bright side, lots of foreshadowing in there for the next episode, even though I guessed the photographer almost immediately.

And I really don't want Mary to die, but it's becoming increasingly more probable :/.

EDIT: I won't say that I didn't like the character stuff because I kind of did (and also the way it's all filmed still looks amazing), but I wish there was more plot to go along with it ^^;.
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Omg Jd-, you really write essays instead of posts. :D I have not the time now to go though everything, but I skimmed it. I like how you can put our opinion.

In general I really like this series. It's so much better than some other SH-not-canon stuff I read or watched. They also work more with feelings, which usually came quite short in the canon. Of course characters are different (otherwise we would never see Mycroft, who is as far from the canon as a character could be, but I totally love Gatiss' portrayal of Mycroft).

About the fan-service: We had this from the very beginning. See Mycroft's comment in the first episode
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"Yesterday you moved in, now you work together; can we expect happy news by the end of the week?" or something like this.
Or remember what Watson said when Holmes rescued him in the last episode.
But I like that they never go the step into slash, because they simply weren't gay.

About 3.1.:
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Indeed, it was sad that Sebastian Morran had no real role. I expected a little bit more at this point. I think it was good that they played with the fans concerning on "how did he do it?".
And Watson: I DON'T CARE!!
That was just nice. And all the fans were like: No, tell it!!!
Of course the 'solution' of this fan-girl was "fan-service" (if you can call it that), but somehow I thought it was nice to add the fans. There were a lot of people theorising. And it was some extra fun to see how they made fun of those slash-loving people. I felt so sorry for Martin Freeman in this one British show where they showed a certain picture with him and Ben, which was drawn by a "fan".
Good, but they put special effort on this, was how Watson reacted. When I read the canon for the first time, I couldn't believe Watson's reaction, because he reacted so little to it.
Lestrade's reaction in the episode was really nice. :)
I think Mary Morstan was really well done. Okay, I find it quite boring that she is his receptionist, but whatever. Her comment "I like him" was well placed, as all the other before hated Holmes.
Now 3.2.:
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I enjoyed the episode, but you are right, it was not a 'very good' one. I think it was nice to throw Holmes in a situation he was not used to. Conan Doyle never put Holmes into difficult situation, if you reflect it. Suddenly Watson was married; we never found out what problems they went though when he moved out, how left alone Holmes was; there never was a real clash between Holmes and Moriarty; Jack the Ripper was never part of the canon. I think it is interesting that they tackle this kind of thing - even if this is might appear as quite the fan service.
Of course, as much fun as the drinking thing was, I agree with Holmes "this was a waste of time".
It is just always so convenient that all the referred cases really mattered for the "main case". But well. And the scene was so... come on, Holmes would have know it immediately that it was Watson's supervisor - I was shouting at the screen for five minutes or so because this solution was just jumping at you. That scene was just too long.
Mrs. Hudson's story about her husband was so great. Somehow this suits her. And Watson just sitting there: "Oh my God! OH MY GOD!!" and then later when she talked about private stuff "Too much information!!". I like that actually. It gave some more deepness to a character that was kept plane in the canon.
The ending was sad, but actually the whole episode shouted for this end. The more, as I know exactly how Holmes must have felt there.
I'm curious about the last one now. My hope is hiding in Pandora's box, as this episode was written by Moffat and after the Dr. Who special on Christmas I just want them to laid off him. There wasn't even one good thing in the whole special - NOT ONE! :'(
Btw. I liked "Jim" Moriarty in the first season. I was kinda sad how they dealt with him in the end. I expected more, tbh. Of course he is far away from the canon, but it was something knew and nicely played.
I'm looking forward to the new antagonist, though. :)
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My random guesses for the final episode, which could redeem this mess to some extent (keep in mind I don't read spoilers, so if there are press, leaks, or previews, I have no idea):
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The villain from the end of the first episode was not targeting Sherlock or John but actually Mary (also explains why she was there, thematically), likely for something she's done in the past or their past relationship. He'll come after her in some form in the final episode and she along with the unborn child die as a result.

The reason I mention this is because the series, to really hit on all cylinders, needs as few barriers between Holmes and Watson as possible. As we know, Mary dies in the original stories as well, so with their adherence to the general structure of the canon, that seems likely either now or at some point in the future. Conan Doyle faced this same issue in the original canon (including making a few mistakes as to the amount of wives and when Watson was and wasn't married), so restoring the original order seems likely.

The problem is that if this comes to be, you have to question the introduction of a wife for Watson who dies two episodes later and one episode after they've married. It seems like a really cheap thrill and frivolous source of drama on a lot of levels, but there's really not much they can do to overcome what's happened so far apart from this, poor as it is in many ways.

@Mjöd: Good post! I enjoyed reading it. When it comes to fan-service, the problem isn't that it exists, as it surely has from the onset. There were many very nice cues such as the misdirection involving Mycroft's identity--familiar fans of Holmes no doubt suspected he was Moriarty for at least much of that first episode only to have it revealed to be his government-affiliated older brother. This was a very nice form of fan service that played a very interesting and engaging part in the plot. It worked both for Sherlock Holmes fans and those unfamiliar, but on different levels. What we have in the recent series is just an insane and baffling abundance of winks and nods purely targeting the swooning Tumblr sharing crowd. I recall Moffat saying he's "read all the fan theories" online back when S2 ended, but apparently he really took it all to heart and didn't want any of the most vocal fans to feel forgotten, even should it get in the way of telling a coherent and worthwhile story.

What I always liked about the Holmes canon was that sort of in-between: the things that are purely left to imagination but never outright shown. When we show these things and really focus on them, we inevitably close that gap. I think a great deal of the fascination that's surrounded Holmes and Watson all these years is that we really don't know everything about them and their interactions. How they handled certain things and how certain things unfolded are and forever will be inherent mysteries left purely up to the readers to solve, all with their own conclusions. Here, we're spending a lot of time establishing those moments that... I really can't help feel would be better off minimized if not left off-screen entirely. It's like they're spending 80% of the episodes just to have fun, silly, touching moments between Sherlock and John, and trying to find a way to throw in a case at the end so that it still at least appears like a mystery series.

If I had to really come down on the team behind this show, I would say that the backlash against both this recent season of Sherlock and that of Dr. Who would be that they've exhausted a great deal, if not all, of their bag of tricks. I don't know if that's entirely sound or fair to them, but it does seem that way as of late.
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So ummm on the second episode of season 3
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I thought the episode was funny and full of fanservice, and it was a letdown. If I wanted bromance, I would read fanfictions. This episode caters for the specific #sherlock #drunk hashtags on Tumblr and not really for mystery fans. Honestly, I feel like both episodes so far were shot with the Tumblr crowd in mind.

However, I would like to say thatI enjoyed Irene's brief cameo. I've missed The Woman.
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These episodes are a pretty good example that pandering to the audience too much can make them giggle on first watch but just makes the episode weak on rewatching and for anyone who isn't one of the mad fans.
The thing is, I really like Mary and the dynamic she has with John and Sherlock. I would love to see all three of them busting cases together. But for that to happen, there need to be some half-decent damn cases.
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I liked this episode
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and OMG Jim!!!
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Okay, the first thing I'll say about this episode is that it kinda bothers me that a recurring theme in this series seems to be "emotions make you weak and never trust anybody ever"
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Okay, so the second the thing with Janine turned up I was reminded strongly of the Jeremy Brett case where Holmes seduced a housemaid to get information, so I wasn't surprised by THAT reveal, just really quite pissed off on Janine's behalf because seriously, that is viciously cruel to make her FALL IN LOVE with him and AGREE TO MARRY HIM with the intention to use her.

I am glad that it didn't turn out that Mary had lied about being in love with John, though. He doesn't deserve that. I was still very "WAS THIS REALLY NECESSARY THO" at that reveal though.

BABBY SHERLOCK OH MY GOD. I really do want like 10000% more info on the childhoods of the brothers Holmes. Sherlock's reaction to Mycroft admitting that he loves him was gold.

My first though on Magnusson was "is he a robot"? No, but definitely a massive creeper. I was kinda hoping for John to snap his neck with his bare hands, but I suppose it worked out better for him that Sherlock did the killing. It is pretty chilling how easily Sherlock did that. I mean, you can easily argue that threatening John and Mary pushed Sherlock to his absolute extreme and we didn't see enough of him in the aftermath to see if having committed murder affects him strongly, but still... kinda chilling how easy it is for him to do that once he decides it's necessary.

Also why was I not even a little surprised that either Moriarty is back or somebody's using his image? Like, not even a LITTLE bit of shock at that reveal.
GodDAMN the chronology of this episode was all over the place. Was that really necessary?
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It really annoys me how words like "sociopath" and "psychopath" are constantly applied to characters who clearly *aren't*.

Mary surviving (and not being entirely evil though YMMV) was a real plus for me though ^^.

Also, Smallwood/Littlewood/whatshername being hired by Mycroft after supposedly committing suicide was a nice touch and makes me wonder about some of the other people he's hired. And, the brother thing will be relevant later.
My full thoughts will possibly be posted at a later date, but I'll just say I thought it was definitely a step back up from episode two (even though I admit I called several, if not the majority of the twists, which was a real shame).
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Yeah, every time he says "I'm a high-functioning sociopath, do your reasearch" I cringe because whoever wrote that line has not done their research. Also, Mary is blatantly not a psychopath. She is a trained killer and damned good at her job and at rationalizing her killing. Being able to rationalize killing somebody is not the same as being a psychopath. Besides, an argument could be made for her feeling a lot of guilt and shame for the previous life she led, as from what I understand she created her fake identity and started a new life as a nurse long before she met John and was terrified of him thinking ill of her for her previous work, which means that she does view it as something to be thought ill of.

Basically, neither a psychopath nor a sociopath, and neither is Sherlock. I really wish they'd drop that erroneous label and put try legitimately representing him as autistic (I recently discovered, through research for a character I'm writing, that it's common for people on the autistic spectrum to be very fond of animals because they don't require the same stressful social cues as humans do, and the moment where Sherlock's interacting with the memory of his dog, for whom he was clearly fond and openly emotional in a way he isn't with humans, would back that easily). But I get the feeling that asking Moffat and Gatiss to represent an autistic character with respect is like asking a member of the BNP to campaign for the rights of immigrants.
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So... Forget every episode you thought was the worst and most misguided in this series' history. Nothing will ever come close to how far this single episode, this finale, has departed from where this all began.
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If I had to sum up these three episodes in one sentence, I think I would go with: "This season was one of the most spectacular disasters in the history of televised entertainment." Maybe not everyone feels that way, but I can't even begin to get into the headspace of someone who feels this was anywhere near the cohesive, direct, interesting, and smart previous seasons.

The "Mary is (somewhat) evil" plot occurred to me in the second episode, and I honestly thought: "There's no way they would do that purely based on just how absurdly contrived that is." Turns out, they don't really care about making sense, and that moment I joked about two weeks ago totally came to be. When it did, I was just smiling, suppressing a laugh. That was just such a lazy development. Between this and all of the unnecessary chronological mishmashing, it really felt like they didn't know what they wanted to do. They tried to make every single plot point a major piece of its own fiction, and by doing so made it a serious chore to watch. What did we gain from seeing the Christmas stuff out of order and going back and forth? I felt like it completely wasted the moment and took us from one high (as high as this got anyway) to low to "why?".

I mean, the problems with this episode are endless. I don't want to get into it because, honestly, I'm really beyond caring about where the series goes at this point. Can we all just agree how reckless and ridiculous it was to put Watson in the chair and then specifically ask her to test her aim? The way he said that was borderline taunting. I don't care how sure Sherlock was of his reasoning there--putting Watson unnecessarily in harm's way was cruel to himself and Mary, who may well have just shot her own self in the head upon killing Watson if she had shot at Sherlock who was on the verge of revealing everything as far as she knew.

The reveal with the "mind palace" (something that has grown increasingly more ridiculous with every mention and depiction) of Magnussen was so, so, so, so, so obvious in every possible way. The nonexistence of the vaults wasn't even... a mystery of any kind. It was obvious it was to be that way. Was there even a mystery in this entire season? We just had 4 and a half hours of "Sherlock Holmes" (in name only) and I don't remember an actual mystery occurring in all that time.

So, Holmes went from nearly supposedly dead to nearly dead to nearly certainly going to be dead on a suicide mission in the course of three episodes. What's next? Nearly probably supposedly certainly dead? How many times do we need to see Holmes almost dead for this plotline to finally expire? Will he need to fake his death against Moriarty 2.0 now? Sherlock is literally just as bad as Moriarty now, and has absolutely no moral high ground with which to make judgments anymore.

This is the biggest problem with this entire show:

What I am most perturbed by here is not all of the nonsense that made up this episode. No, what gets me is how distance Moffat and Gatiss are from the original series. They have made it clear they feel compelled to one-up everything they've ever done each time out, and ending with Sherlock Holmes killing a man in cold blood was just absurd. They have completely lost sight of everything that Sherlock Holmes stands for. The victim was a tabloid publisher, a newsmaker. A sleaze, surely, but not someone to be executed. This made Sherlock a very weak character. He couldn't beat Magnussen--this tabloid journalist was just smarter than Holmes and outdid him at every turn, so apparently Sherlock's answer to that was... to shoot him without giving him the chance to defend himself. That sends a great message to people who look up to Sherlock, right? Especially young kids who have always seen Sherlock Holmes as an icon and role model (myself in my youth too). That was so laughably misguided that I do wonder if the staff came up with that just to say, "No one will expect this!". No, what people didn't expect is this series to stray so far from any sort of semblance to reality. Sherlock Holmes shot a man in cold blood, then got sent off on a plot-protected six month grounding. Then, if he survives, it's all goooood~. Let's not forget that a massive cover-up would be necessary for Sherlock to ever exist in the right in the public mind, which... is exactly the sort of behavior that Magnussen indulged in so frequently. Are they really so different from the villains anymore? If it's revealed later that Mycroft was in any way involved (hard to imagine, but this series has exhibited a lot of stupid lately), he and anyone else that had any knowledge of this just outright assassinated a man.

But, most importantly: This is not the same as the original message of the original canon at all. Yet, they want you to think it is. This ending was clearly riffing on "The Final Problem" to use the "cheerfully accept the latter" (his, Sherlock's, death) to preserve the way of good, BUT. Not only did Holmes and Moriarty in "The Final Problem" have an honorable, even and selfless duel, Holmes and Moriarty had a mutual understanding and respect for one another. Holmes was willing to die along with Moriarty to preserve the safety of the world and innocents all over. Here, Holmes did this entirely for this ham-handed rescue of Mary and the baby, by shooting a defenseless man in the head. Is Sherlock really so simple and puerile in all his genius that he didn't see the obvious answer? The obvious answer would be to beat Magnussen with the human empathy he did not have and prevailing above it, showing him that his manipulation could not best good and strong-hearted people. Mary could overcome this, Watson could overcome this. Shooting a man in the head is not the answer.
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Mostly agreed on this episode (and the entire season) being sort of lame, but the ending seems to be more of a take on "Charles Augustus Milverton," though granted having Holmes be the killer as opposed to an observer to who covers up the crime is a significant difference.

Also, Moriarty coming back is just so, well, awful. I'm sure they'll be some clever twist, but I'm not that interested in seeing him come back and it makes his final scene much less compelling.
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dilbertschalter wrote:
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Mostly agreed on this episode (and the entire season) being sort of lame, but the ending seems to be more of a take on "Charles Augustus Milverton," though granted having Holmes be the killer as opposed to an observer to who covers up the crime is a significant difference.

Also, Moriarty coming back is just so, well, awful. I'm sure they'll be some clever twist, but I'm not that interested in seeing him come back and it makes his final scene much less compelling.
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I would call it a bit of a hybrid, in a thematic sense, just because I think they wanted to salvage that sacrifice motif from "The Final Problem" because they didn't really find occasion to use it originally. I find it all deeply out of character and a little disturbing that they felt Sherlock would immediately resort to murdering a man outright instead of actually trying to outsmart him. Very bizarre and yet incredibly dull course of events.

As for Moriarty, I never liked "Jim" Moriarty, so him coming back is a bit dull in and of itself. My guess is it's going to be a brother or relative, because anything short of that is really insane. Shame they already burned Moran as a two-bit North Korean (lol) defector or else it could've at least had some gravitas to it.
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Yeah, I was pretty disappointed by the lack of any real case in this whole series. Although, Jd-, I'm not sure why you think it was so obvious that there was no actual vault in the first place. Magnussen seemed to have shown the letter to Sherlock in order to make him think that there were actual documents, and there wasn't really much to hint otherwise. Other than the obnoxious overuse of mindpalaces, which I wholeheartedly agree was irritating. Also, I heard someone say that there were two Morans somewhere. Is that true? Because Moran being essentially irrelevant was pretty odd to me, and it would make sense if he were behind Moriarity's 'return.' Overall, while I did enjoy most of the character stuff, I would have enjoyed it more if we had more than 3 episodes, and it didn't take up 2 whole ones. I say 2 and not 3 since the third was at least an attempt at a case, even though it hardly resembled the S1 and S2 cases.
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Re: Are you guys watching Sherlock? (BBC Series)

Post by Jd- »

Pmofmalasia wrote:
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Yeah, I was pretty disappointed by the lack of any real case in this whole series. Although, Jd-, I'm not sure why you think it was so obvious that there was no actual vault in the first place. Magnussen seemed to have shown the letter to Sherlock in order to make him think that there were actual documents, and there wasn't really much to hint otherwise. Other than the obnoxious overuse of mindpalaces, which I wholeheartedly agree was irritating. Also, I heard someone say that there were two Morans somewhere. Is that true? Because Moran being essentially irrelevant was pretty odd to me, and it would make sense if he were behind Moriarity's 'return.' Overall, while I did enjoy most of the character stuff, I would have enjoyed it more if we had more than 3 episodes, and it didn't take up 2 whole ones. I say 2 and not 3 since the third was at least an attempt at a case, even though it hardly resembled the S1 and S2 cases.
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The reason I thought that was two fold. Foremost, it was impossible for such a "library" of all such data to be amassed. The more Holmes mentioned it, the more obvious it was he was building it up to a twist--it was really supposed to house the complete source of all coming and past scandals in the western world and beyond? Our glimpses of it didn't indicate anything close to that, which led to my meta reason being that the architecture for the Appledore place was stunningly new, whereas our glimpses of the "vault" were all of this archaic library. Having a simple vault wouldn't really lead to anything interesting, so just saying, "Hey, he remembers it all" was pretty much the only sensible direction to take that. By the time Sherlock took the glasses and missed the memory thing, I was absolutely certain how that was going to turn out. In fact, I think their intention was for the on-screen display to be misdirection into making viewers think that was actual data coming up on his glasses, but I never thought that, so maybe that's why it all became so obvious so quickly.

Personally, I actually try my best to not solve the mysteries as they are happening, instead wishing to be surprised like a character in the show. I really, really try not to play the meta game and make determinations outside of what's directly presented with a specific intention, but when it gets that obvious, it's not really something I fault myself for--especially when the "mystery" of an episode is really not a mystery at all and kind of disengaging due to its sheer obliviousness.

I don't recall an "other" Moran and certainly not an evil one. It would be quite crazy for them to have a second Moran with the exact same name revived just to replay his original purpose when his namesake was already used for an earlier character of complete disassociation.

All the same, Moriarty definitely has a brother, at least in the original canon. His brother defended him after his death, which is partially why Watson wrote and published "The Final Problem", in order to clear up the misconceptions of what had transpired leading up to the fall at Reichenbach. Interestingly, Moriarty's brother is a colonel, like Moran, and his name is also James Moriarty. It seems likely that Gatiss and Moffat will use this curious detail to introduce a younger or twin Moriarty for later seasons.
Also:
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The face flicking thing. Boy-o, that was stupid/bad/silly/awful/etc.
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