what Ran knows and why she did not suspect conan

[PhantomWriter]

I think Ran already known Conan is Shinichi but she doesn't jump in conclusion cause she knows Conan will deny. Maybe she's collecting evidence, DNA, fingerprint and the way she talks to Conan recently seems weird. She blushed and shy ect..

Good point, particularly with the red woman and romance novelist arcs, where she she flushes a bit when her towel slips (in spite of not having any sort of problems earlier regarding Conan seeing her naked) and how she starts blushing when talking about Conan's love interests (and her comment about how she won't stop thinking about it; who the hell cares about a child's crush like that?).

On top of that, the DNA comments when talking during the case when Amuro got introduced were interesting, along with how she's aware of Conan's ability to use a ball to knock people out, how she was listening to Conan call Yuusaku dad and she freaks out, and how she was in the room to hear Subaru refer to Conan as Shinichi. Again, once you have eliminated the impossible and all that applies.

Considering how subtle this is compared to usual Ran suspicion arcs, I'm guessing she picked up that, every time she has major suspicions and forces it constantly to the forefront, he manages to wiggle out somehow. I'm also guessing she's figured out that at least one person, if not more, are helping him. Therefore, this time, she's accumulating much more and much harder evidence that can't be explained away. The only thing with the DNA issue is I'm thinking she's waiting to do that when Shinichi next reappears and she can take a DNA sample from him. Then there's also the issue of how the prints on the chain link in Heiji's omamori are Shinichi's, but Conan was the only one to handle it. (Kazuha may have dissuaded her from the topic incidentally, but it's still an issue and piece of evidence...)

[S.Vineyard]

Plus, Ran got some good advices from Masumi.
http://www.dctp.ws/V77-Reader/V77-6Read/A14.html

The only thing that speaks against her having a real suspicion is this:
http://www.dctp.ws/V79-Reader/V79-5Read/A15.html
(Of course Ran could just have teased him...)

[shinranlover]

I think Ran already known Conan is Shinichi but she doesn't jump in conclusion cause she knows Conan will deny. Maybe she's collecting evidence, DNA, fingerprint and the way she talks to Conan recently seems weird. She blushed and shy ect..

Good point, particularly with the red woman and romance novelist arcs, where she she flushes a bit when her towel slips (in spite of not having any sort of problems earlier regarding Conan seeing her naked) and how she starts blushing when talking about Conan's love interests (and her comment about how she won't stop thinking about it; who the hell cares about a child's crush like that?).

On top of that, the DNA comments when talking during the case when Amuro got introduced were interesting, along with how she's aware of Conan's ability to use a ball to knock people out, how she was listening to Conan call Yuusaku dad and she freaks out, and how she was in the room to hear Subaru refer to Conan as Shinichi. Again, once you have eliminated the impossible and all that applies.

Considering how subtle this is compared to usual Ran suspicion arcs, I'm guessing she picked up that, every time she has major suspicions and forces it constantly to the forefront, he manages to wiggle out somehow. I'm also guessing she's figured out that at least one person, if not more, are helping him. Therefore, this time, she's accumulating much more and much harder evidence that can't be explained away. The only thing with the DNA issue is I'm thinking she's waiting to do that when Shinichi next reappears and she can take a DNA sample from him. Then there's also the issue of how the prints on the chain link in Heiji's omamori are Shinichi's, but Conan was the only one to handle it. (Kazuha may have dissuaded her from the topic incidentally, but it's still an issue and piece of evidence...)

Maybe she did the towel slips on "purpose" to see Conan's reaction I also notice same moments as you did between Ran and Conan.
It seems she's getting more and more suspicious but she just cant understand how an adult can turn into a 7-year-old child. Maybe she's pretending to be naive in front of Conan, but very sharp behind him, so that she can observe him easier. The way she blush and shy in happiness (when she slip her towel and Conan saw her naked body), not angry like before, which i can tell she already accept the fact that she and Shinichi are so close with each other.

[S.Vineyard]

I don't think she did it on purpose, since Ran would never be that insensible.

But it is indeed ab big change in behavior compared to this. (Which was shortly before London.)

http://www.dctp.ws/V64-Reader/V64-5Read ... 68_006.png

I wonder if this scene during the Cold Case File triggered her new behavior.
http://www.dctp.ws/V77-Reader/V77-8Read ... 14_012.png

[PhantomWriter]

I don't think she did it on purpose, since Ran would never be that insensible.

But it is indeed ab big change in behavior compared to this. (Which was shortly before London.)

http://www.dctp.ws/V64-Reader/V64-5Read ... 68_006.png

I wonder if this scene during the Cold Case File triggered her new behavior.
http://www.dctp.ws/V77-Reader/V77-8Read ... 14_012.png

On top of that, given her reaction, I'm wondering if it may be because Masumi is there? Maybe Ran now is under the impression that there is a damn good reason for him to keep this secret for so long. I'm considering going back through files, to check if there is something that could hint at that change in perspective. It seems... interesting.

I know in the Shiragami case that she acts naive and Conan assumes she didn't figure things out, but I'm wondering if she was just acting. That seems like a pretty big thing to miss, at the very end, especially considering Ran's vice grip, the pins in the sweater, and the sudden fainting that could remind her of the Sleeping Kogorou stuff. Haibara notes that it's rather easy to see the pins. (And with her early theory that Agasa gave Kudou the drug that turned him small, she could have assumed rather easily that he's in on it, especially since he's the one to suggest that Conan stay with her and her dad in the first place.)

Also, with the cold case, Shuu goes up to Conan and calls him Kudou before going 'nah, just trolling.' Sonoko, Ran, and Sera are all in the room at the time. Between Conan's freaking out and the bowtie on the phone and that comment (with how both Shuu and Shinichi are at the same mental level, which was shown in the airplane SOS stuff), she may have figured something was amiss.

She's not a stupid character and I've noticed that she's been less involved in cases lately. And, when she's in there, she doesn't play as much of a role in the cases as before. For example, the Vampire Mansion case has her and Kazuha mostly just messing around with food instead of being involved, how the fruit murder has Sera insist Ran stay back because it's detective territory, and so on.

This may be to prevent it being too obvious that she has figured out a bit of what's going on. When she is involved, it becomes interesting. Like the case where the clue was the closed eye on the corpse, she notices Conan's so nervous and asks him seriously if there's someone suspicious about. On top of that, her dialogue involving the "what crush does he have?" thing is weird. People do not take little kids that seriously with their crushes. People do not usually jump to "someone is suspicious nearby" when a little kid is nervous and jumpy.

Such a curious thing. I think the great detective will have to deal with changes in the status quo very soon.

[S.Vineyard]

During the Ran's suspicion case with the cellsphone, she already had the theory that Shinichi had a reason for not telling her.

As for status quo:

I'm already waiting years for this, but I have become cautious.
However, currently Gosho is wrapping up a lot of relationship storylines (We even had a short of "Heiji confession" during the last case) that it is liklier than ever.

[jason15]

During the Ran's suspicion case with the cellsphone, she already had the theory that Shinichi had a reason for not telling her.

As for status quo:

I'm already waiting years for this, but I have become cautious.
However, currently Gosho is wrapping up a lot of relationship storylines (We even had a short of "Heiji confession" during the last case) that it is liklier than ever.

Well then just wait for Ran to find out. I really curious what Ran will think and do when she finds out, and what can happen to Shinichi
heard next case has shinichi, I am expecting some romanance from the couple

[Antiyonder]

How long has she seemed to have been showing suspicion again?

[S.Vineyard]

http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki ... s_identity

The "The Whereabouts of the Embarrassing Charm" Case showed some signs.
However, Post-London Arc, the "Cold Case" File and it's aftermath indicate her being suspiscous again, because she acts similar to Conan as did shortly before the "Desperate Revival" Arc.

[Antiyonder]

http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki ... s_identity

The "The Whereabouts of the Embarrassing Charm" Case showed some signs.
However, Post-London Arc, the "Cold Case" File and it's aftermath indicate her being suspiscous again, because she acts similar to Conan as did shortly before the "Desperate Revival" Arc.

So even if the bolded arcs don't count, that's still 200 files/chapters, correct?

[S.Vineyard]

So even if the bolded arcs don't count, that's still 200 files/chapters, correct?

Almost. Seems quite long, but there were about 120 files between her confronting him after the Magician's Case and the Depserate Revival.

However, we can surely say that Cold Case Hand so some kind of impact.

1) http://www.dctp.ws/V77-Reader/V77-6Read/A14.html

Ran has taken notes of Sera's evidence collection advices.

2) Again, http://www.dctp.ws/V77-Reader/V77-8Read/A12.html

Ran didn't have such a Conan/Shinichi Impression for a very long time in a canonical file. (I actually think file 481 was indeed the last time. The movies overuse of such moments makes us forget that imo.)

[Antiyonder]

This may be to prevent it being too obvious that she has figured out a bit of what's going on. When she is involved, it becomes interesting. Like the case where the clue was the closed eye on the corpse, she notices Conan's so nervous and asks him seriously if there's someone suspicious about. On top of that, her dialogue involving the "what crush does he have?" thing is weird. People do not take little kids that seriously with their crushes. People do not usually jump to "someone is suspicious nearby" when a little kid is nervous and jumpy.

Which files and pages are being referenced in this post?

[PhantomWriter]

This may be to prevent it being too obvious that she has figured out a bit of what's going on. When she is involved, it becomes interesting. Like the case where the clue was the closed eye on the corpse, she notices Conan's so nervous and asks him seriously if there's someone suspicious about. On top of that, her dialogue involving the "what crush does he have?" thing is weird. People do not take little kids that seriously with their crushes. People do not usually jump to "someone is suspicious nearby" when a little kid is nervous and jumpy.

Which files and pages are being referenced in this post?

File 856, page 5 for the former. File 876, page 12 for the latter.

[kholoudsafir]

heard next case has shinichi, I am expecting some romanance from the couple

I do not think it will be a present appearance, but like it was said before, most probably how they met sera, it makes more sense

[pikacutie25]

On top of that, her dialogue involving the "what crush does he have?" thing is weird. People do not take little kids that seriously with their crushes.

For that matter, why does she blush when she asks him which girl he likes? Which girl "Conan-kun" likes has no bearing whatsoever on her own relationship status, so she has no valid reason to blush otherwise. Her motive must be to test him to see his reaction/reply. And if she "can't stop thinking about" his relationship status, she must actually be thinking about her own relation with Shinichi, who she herself can't stop thinking about. Why be so concerned with Conan's relationships now? She's only ever asked him once or twice before out of innocent curiosity. Also, for her to so easily dismiss the topic after Sera remarks the time and not bring it up again must mean that she already knows who "Conan" likes. Also, something about Ran's facial expression in the fourth panel on that page hints at desperation for him to just tell the truth already...

If that whole scene isn't an indication of her knowledge/suspicion, I don't know what is.