Child in Chapter 875 (Might contain spoilers))
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I thought the color covers with the Chinese raws were fan-colored (though that raises the question of why the eyes aren't green).
Also, Chapter 876 is out in the spoiler box for those who aren't aware. It has Conan adding a bit of insight and questions about the girl's identity.
Also, Chapter 876 is out in the spoiler box for those who aren't aware. It has Conan adding a bit of insight and questions about the girl's identity.
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Re: Child in Chapter 875 (Might contain spoilers))
Unless its coloured by Gosho himself (like Heiji's green eyes) or explicitly told by Gosho (like Haibara's hair) I don't pay attention to pictures. Fans colour whatever they want.Magical Mystery wrote:
I think that Sera is trying to give Conan's memory a little jump-start, just not in the way you think. As to the picture, there is a color picture of the girl. It was the cover of the last file. It's here in the spoiler box below (cropped to show the phone more clearly)
Picture: Hope this helps.Possible crazy hint:Spoiler:Spoiler:
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I was writing this post in the latest mystery discussion thread, but I realized it belonged here more.
When I think about it, I doubt her family would tell her about the APTX if they knew about it. It's linked to such a dangerous organization that information would be shared sparingly; it would be really dangeros to tell her about it, especially since she's a detective. Just look at Shinichi/Conan: he'd probably try to take them down even if he WASN'T shrunk. Additionally, her moral values aren't as strong as his: while Conan doesn't believe in letting anyone die, Sera was willing to let police snipers shoot a person who was threatening to kill himself and another person. As such, it's not unthinkable to suspect that she might try to track down the BO on her own to find a cure, thus putting her in a dangerous situation.
Going by this line of thinking, the best solution would be NOT to tell her about the shrinking at all. However, as we all know, she's fully aware of the child. As such, the best alternatives are as stated earlier: A) she was told her relative shrunk through some strange unknown illness (which further implies that this was a relative close enough that her/his status would be impossible to hide from Sera); or B) that the child is a previously unknown, ill relative (like Conan's excuses). Whatever the case, she'd probably deduce that there's more to the story due to her skills (no way they could keep her fooled as long as Ran—no offense to Ran fans).
In short, she could have no idea how her relative shrunk into a child. However, by chance she came across a photo of Conan (probably sent along with Akai's belongings, as theorized by Chek), and recognizing him as Shinichi Kudo, she went to Japan to see if there was any kind of connection. This would explain why she showed the photo to Conan: to gauge his reactions and provide a starting point for her to investigate the connection between his shrinking and her relative's.
However, though I spent about half an hour writing this, I'm not really in the "shrunken relative" camp (at least, not to the point where I'll find any proof to support it; I'm pretty okay with all of the suggested theories so far). I just thought this was an interesting thing to consider.
This post gave me a thought: who says Sera knows about the APTX? Even if the child in the photo is a victim of it, that doesn't mean they had to tell her about the drug itself. She could have been told it was a distant relative, or that her brother was suffering some unknown disease. Hell, maybe the APTX was taken unintentionally—as in, not directly shoved into her/his mouth by the BO—and so none of them realize the true cause.Carmady wrote:Hair color can change in children (you could have pure white hair when you are young, and later it changes to brown).
Combining that with the girl he met "a long time ago", it seems like it should be white haired Sera before her hair changed.
If it was one of her brothers, how old would she and Shinichi have been? Would it even be possible for them to meet when her brother was that young?
There are lots of other options, but this seems like the most "innocent" option for Sera. If she is already well aware of APTX4869 for example, I don't think she would so easily show off a picture about it.
When I think about it, I doubt her family would tell her about the APTX if they knew about it. It's linked to such a dangerous organization that information would be shared sparingly; it would be really dangeros to tell her about it, especially since she's a detective. Just look at Shinichi/Conan: he'd probably try to take them down even if he WASN'T shrunk. Additionally, her moral values aren't as strong as his: while Conan doesn't believe in letting anyone die, Sera was willing to let police snipers shoot a person who was threatening to kill himself and another person. As such, it's not unthinkable to suspect that she might try to track down the BO on her own to find a cure, thus putting her in a dangerous situation.
Going by this line of thinking, the best solution would be NOT to tell her about the shrinking at all. However, as we all know, she's fully aware of the child. As such, the best alternatives are as stated earlier: A) she was told her relative shrunk through some strange unknown illness (which further implies that this was a relative close enough that her/his status would be impossible to hide from Sera); or B) that the child is a previously unknown, ill relative (like Conan's excuses). Whatever the case, she'd probably deduce that there's more to the story due to her skills (no way they could keep her fooled as long as Ran—no offense to Ran fans).
In short, she could have no idea how her relative shrunk into a child. However, by chance she came across a photo of Conan (probably sent along with Akai's belongings, as theorized by Chek), and recognizing him as Shinichi Kudo, she went to Japan to see if there was any kind of connection. This would explain why she showed the photo to Conan: to gauge his reactions and provide a starting point for her to investigate the connection between his shrinking and her relative's.
However, though I spent about half an hour writing this, I'm not really in the "shrunken relative" camp (at least, not to the point where I'll find any proof to support it; I'm pretty okay with all of the suggested theories so far). I just thought this was an interesting thing to consider.
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I doubt she's APTX user tbh
But Sera seems to know more of Conan for some reason, I guess her being a detective is a reason for that
But Sera seems to know more of Conan for some reason, I guess her being a detective is a reason for that
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Somebody think that the second brother is Sera?
I mean, I don't think the second brother is a new character when chapter 900 is this close. And I don't buy the shrunken theory (with Conan and Haibara it's enough). I know it's crazy but what if:
-Akai is Okiya.
-Sera is a boy and the second brother. Her real appearance is Okiya. That’s the reason she was so surprised to see herself in chapter 812, but she couldn’t say anything because she is disguised as well. Furthermore, everybody mislead her as a boy and she was caught in men’s room in The Kid case.
-The little sister is the blond girl. Her real appearance is Sera but she is disguised.
I mean, I don't think the second brother is a new character when chapter 900 is this close. And I don't buy the shrunken theory (with Conan and Haibara it's enough). I know it's crazy but what if:
-Akai is Okiya.
-Sera is a boy and the second brother. Her real appearance is Okiya. That’s the reason she was so surprised to see herself in chapter 812, but she couldn’t say anything because she is disguised as well. Furthermore, everybody mislead her as a boy and she was caught in men’s room in The Kid case.
-The little sister is the blond girl. Her real appearance is Sera but she is disguised.
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That would indeed explain things like the womens wig hair and existence of a woman she was looking for at Shinichis place... However no, there are just massive problems with that like:Pdid wrote:Somebody think that the second brother is Sera?
I mean, I don't think the second brother is a new character when chapter 900 is this close. And I don't buy the shrunken theory (with Conan and Haibara it's enough). I know it's crazy but what if:
-Akai is Okiya.
-Sera is a boy and the second brother. Her real appearance is Okiya. That’s the reason she was so surprised to see herself in chapter 812, but she couldn’t say anything because she is disguised as well. Furthermore, everybody mislead her as a boy and she was caught in men’s room in The Kid case.
-The little sister is the blond girl. Her real appearance is Sera but she is disguised.
"I am a bad girl after all..." *cries*
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Chekhov's breakdown of the mystery child problem so far.
DCW is down for maintenance so I can't post there. But here is what we have so far to go on with the child.
http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/foru ... /?p=305898
http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/foru ... /?p=305898
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Dont you think that she did something with the schoolbag? Add mic there in order to listen from afar or maybe check out something..Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:DCW is down for maintenance so I can't post there. But here is what we have so far to go on with the child.
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I don't know if the child actually took Conan's schoolbag. When Masumi and the gang returned to to Masumi's room after investigation/being questioned about the crime, the scene-change skips the part of the hallway where the bag would have been. It isn't shown again in panel. If it is mentioned in the text, I can't translate. All I can say is that it isn't sitting inside the room by the front door.k11chi wrote: Dont you think that she did something with the schoolbag? Add mic there in order to listen from afar or maybe check out something..
Besides, Conan didn't know a crime was about to occur, so he couldn't plan to bug the bag. Bugging the room is a different matter...
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Well she says 'I'm a bad kid, after all'. But yes, my theory is pretty inconsistent.k11chi wrote:That would indeed explain things like the womens wig hair and existence of a woman she was looking for at Shinichis place... However no, there are just massive problems with that like:Pdid wrote:Somebody think that the second brother is Sera?
I mean, I don't think the second brother is a new character when chapter 900 is this close. And I don't buy the shrunken theory (with Conan and Haibara it's enough). I know it's crazy but what if:
-Akai is Okiya.
-Sera is a boy and the second brother. Her real appearance is Okiya. That’s the reason she was so surprised to see herself in chapter 812, but she couldn’t say anything because she is disguised as well. Furthermore, everybody mislead her as a boy and she was caught in men’s room in The Kid case.
-The little sister is the blond girl. Her real appearance is Sera but she is disguised.
"I am a bad girl after all..." *cries*
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yes bad kid thats rightPdid wrote:Well she says 'I'm a bad kid, after all'. But yes, my theory is pretty inconsistent.k11chi wrote:That would indeed explain things like the womens wig hair and existence of a woman she was looking for at Shinichis place... However no, there are just massive problems with that like:Pdid wrote:Somebody think that the second brother is Sera?
I mean, I don't think the second brother is a new character when chapter 900 is this close. And I don't buy the shrunken theory (with Conan and Haibara it's enough). I know it's crazy but what if:
-Akai is Okiya.
-Sera is a boy and the second brother. Her real appearance is Okiya. That’s the reason she was so surprised to see herself in chapter 812, but she couldn’t say anything because she is disguised as well. Furthermore, everybody mislead her as a boy and she was caught in men’s room in The Kid case.
-The little sister is the blond girl. Her real appearance is Sera but she is disguised.
"I am a bad girl after all..." *cries*
in the Mystery Train Seras reaction to Scar Akai also was just... no
although maybe...
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Here are some odd thoughts I put together on the child's identity...
Agh, not terribly coherent thoughts, I know. Any weaknesses in my guesses/observations?
- Sera Masumi might have lied about the age of her other brother. He's in drag, or she lied about her sibling's gender as well.
- Sera might be the middle brother, and the little girl the real Masumi. After all, even Kaitou KID thought Sera was male, and he got pretty darn close and down to the underwear.
- The girl is unrelated, and one of Sera's clients/someone that she's hiding. Other than the eyes, there isn't much similarity between them.
- The girl is someone that Conan met in the past, but didn't mark the meeting, and hasn't connected the two yet. Sera had hinted about a girl from long ago when they were teasing Conan about who his love interest could be. It could be a subtle clue along the lines of, "That girl I showed you? You know her, and she needs your help. Be subtle about it, please."
- She may not have anything to do with the BO.
- Sera respects and trusts Conan already, but may be trying to convince the kid that Conan would be a good ally.
- She's setting up a test to see if Conan is good enough to be of any help.
- She also may suspect the connection between Conan and Shinichi is more than through the phone, and is trying to trap Conan and confront him, looking to find out whatever he's up against or up to. This girl may be someone he met as Shinichi then.
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We know there must have been a male Sera those 28-29 year old people knew from high school. I doubt those people would have cooperated with any lie Masumi was telling. I suppose you could double down and say the Sera person the red women suspects knew was Shuuichi.Shiromi wrote:Here are some odd thoughts I put together on the child's identity...
- Sera Masumi might have lied about the age of her other brother. He's in drag, or she lied about her sibling's gender as well.
- Sera might be the middle brother, and the little girl the real Masumi. After all, even Kaitou KID thought Sera was male, and he got pretty darn close and down to the underwear.
Masumi definitely seems to side with Conan. I am pretty sure she is trying to get the child and Conan to cooperate for whatever reason. She showed Conan the picture of the child when she/he/it wasn't around to see, but played along with the child's wishes to stay hidden when Masumi's actions could be monitored. From the discussion with the child, it seems Masumi was the one who suggested that Conan could be trustworthy.Shiromi wrote:
- Sera respects and trusts Conan already, but may be trying to convince the kid that Conan would be a good ally.
My only issue is why has Masumi only started this hinting about the kid now. She seems to have known Conan was Shinichi since the bus ride. Is this child a new development? Is she only finding out about the kid now?
Motivations, connections, and timing are the information we are lacking most right now. Without those we really can't piece together what's going on. Who knows who, and from when? What have they told each other, and what are they keeping secret? What are the agendas?
I have the feeling the major mystery people right now, Masumi, the child, and the middle bro, know quite a bit but haven't been sharing it with one another. The others then are acting on the assumption the others are ignorant in their conversations. (If the middle bro turns out to be the child, things will get even more confusing.)
With just Masumi we have the following unresolved questions.
- Why did Masumi come to Japan in the first place? Is there more to it than her thoughts about returning to Japan because she wanted to meet "the wizard"? (874) Why does Masumi want to meet "the wizard"?
- When and how did Masumi find out Shinichi was Conan? All evidence for when points to sometime before the bus ride where Conan and Ran first met her. How is a complete mystery. What would prompt Masumi into chasing the connection to Conan and Shinichi in the first place?
- What were the circumstances of Masumi's meeting with Ran and Shinichi in the past?
- Why did Masumi initially try to gather information about Haibara, and then delete it? Why did she recognize Shiho (V77-11 pg 11)? Did Masumi realize the woman on Mitsuhiko's video looked like the girl's photo she deleted earlier, which is why she got in Ai's face on the train? Why did Masumi want to speak with Ai on the train? Why did she not follow up?
- Why did Masumi react to seeing Okiya, but then not follow up?
- Why is Masumi only bringing the child up with Conan now?
- What secrets or knowledge has Masumi been keeping from the major mystery parties: the middle brother, the child, and Conan? Why?
For the middle brother we have...
- Where is he and what is he doing? Why was he keeping on the lowdown?
- How does he know Conan is reliable at mysteries? What does he know, and when did he meet or learn of Conan?
- What is he not telling Masumi?
- Why did Masumi suddenly claim to be meeting him (and then said she was going to blow him off) after apparently saying he was hard to get ahold of? What this an intentional fib to attract Conan's interest?
- Who is he/she/it and what is her relationship to the Akai family?
- Why is the kid interested in Conan, what issue does the child have that requires her to trust Conan, but also dictates that she should hide from him?
- Why did the child direct Masumi to lie(?) about her relationship to Masumi?
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Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:The two older brothers were explicitly stated not to look alike in Volume 81, File 9 (859): pgs 6-7: "Jeet Kune Do vs. Karate".Exia92 wrote: Also I believe that the two older brothers might look extremely similar.
That's not quite right. Sera said her hat has the same sort of feel as the ones her brother wore, but the wording is more like the fit or feeling of wearing it than physical appearance. The translators had a discussion over that line when the chapter came out that you might be able to find in the thread archive.Exia92 wrote:Also Sera said that the hat that she wore was a lot like her older brother's, but in every flashback that we've seen Akai(New York, Black organization, and current) he always wore a toboggan(knit cap, beanie).
The next line was ''But, that's impossible.'' So, maybe she had a feeling Akai actually wore the hat (Which he did)?
This isn't a valid standalone criticism. People said the same thing about Amuro being Bourbon and Masumi being Akai's sister. Okiya has the Black Organization scent and has an attitude towards Haibara like he knew her in the past (Paraphrase: "you are like your sister I can predict all your moves"), and she him ("Don't make that face" = Moroboshi Dai).Exia92 wrote: Subaru(don't believe he's Akai, that's too simple for Gosho)
All of my major theory posts are linked in Chekhov's Theories about the plot. DCW's wiki has a similar page. viewtopic.php?f=5&t=402&p=37837#p37837Exia92 wrote:I've tried looking for the post that Chekhov made on Akai=Okiya and can't find it
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The feeling Masumi has is that the hat feels like it was worn by her brother, but she follows up with "but that's impossible" because she thinks Akai is dead so he couldn't be him wearing her hat.themasq wrote:The next line was ''But, that's impossible.'' So, maybe she had a feeling Akai actually wore the hat (Which he did)?Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:That's not quite right. Sera said her hat has the same sort of feel as the ones her brother wore, but the wording is more like the fit or feeling of wearing it than physical appearance. The translators had a discussion over that line when the chapter came out that you might be able to find in the thread archive.Exia92 wrote:Also Sera said that the hat that she wore was a lot like her older brother's, but in every flashback that we've seen Akai(New York, Black organization, and current) he always wore a toboggan(knit cap, beanie).
Honestly the way Masumi is reacting is confusing because she was confronted with someone who appeared like her brother on the train -- Scar Akai. I am guessing she has concluded that Scar Akai wasn't her brother because he attacked her - something the real Shuuichi would not do, and especially not with a tazer. Naturally that should lead to followup questions about why someone would attack her while in disguise as her brother, but Masumi doesn't seem to be investigating anyone about that which is odd. But then again the whole train case feels a bit sloppy logically, and followup speed by characters has been very inconsistent in the Bourbon and Akai family arcs, especially when Masumi is involved.

