Child in Chapter 875 (Might contain spoilers))

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PhantomWriter wrote:But that is also another theory that makes no sense. It seems off with both Jodie and Akai, if they were to have had a child, to have Sera take care of the kid. Yeah, they're working in a dangerous field and dealing with very dangerous people, but they seem like they'd come up with a different solution than have his younger sister take care of their child. And the timeline makes no sense. Sera is 17. Before Akai wormed into the Black Org, which was 5 years prior, Sera would be 12. It would be downright irresponsible to force your kid sister to raise your child and that's not either Jodie's or Akai's styles at all.

On top of that, why would Sera then be so cryptic, hiding them, but also showing Conan and hinting to him about said kid, if it were simply a normal relative, be it her brother's child or, more broadly with this topic, a cousin? [I'm using normal in relative terms, as the Akai family all seem to be incredibly sharp in ways most would consider abnormal.]

That would either be Sera deliberately going for a red herring for literally no discernible purpose or the kid is important in some way we can only guess about because we don't have much information. All we know for sure is the kid is a relative of the Akai family, Sera is in contact with them, and that they're important in some way, enough so that she thinks Conan ought to know about them.

And this is a series where there is a poison that can turn people into little kids physically.
Actually Sera could have just wanted to show Conan her phone because it's same as Conans now, and Sera seems to like Shinichi/Conan
also, remember, she said that she can't tell who she is until "the time comes"
and she's also saying that she's planning on moving elsewhere soon
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Thanks God, Sera is going to be eisuke 2.0. It's show that she is useless for gosho.
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Shinichi Edogawa wrote:Thanks God, Sera is going to be eisuke 2.0. It's show that she is useless for gosho.
Just because she says that? Subaru, Sera and Amuro are all most likely going to leave the gameboard one way or another if it's the end of the arc, she could also just change her mind if she finds something out or doesnt finish what she started or she's leaving when DC ends..
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I said that because she is very similar to eisuke. Lile Eisuke, she was a request of the editor. Like eisuke who was after her sister, she is searching her brother. Like eisuke she was suspected to be a BO member.

So there is a high probability that, like eisuke, she will leave after the bourbon arc because she is not necessary to the plot.

Seriously, in the mysyery train she did nothing, she was only tazed. But now she is useful for the "akai family arc".
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But listening to editors bickering is the daily life for your average author

Also why would she look for someone who's dead.. she was probably looking for Shuus killers instead before the Mystery Train, not to mention that all 3 I mentioned were BO member suspects here, too.
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Yes I agree with you.
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Reading through chapter 860-861 again when I noticed something odd. When she texted her older brother, Sera sent a picture asking are you surprised and he replied something like "if it's him then there's no problem". At the end of chapter 861, he asked have you already met the wizard, in which Sera replied "you could say so". If the wizard is Shinichi, then we can guess that either 1. the brother doesn't know of conan's identity but has a respect for his skills. 2.He knows who conan actually is but is seeing if Sera knows.
Hopefully we can get a definite answer to; who's the kid in the picture, who is the second brother, how Sera met Conan in the pass, and why Gosho seems to add in key elements but not the history behind it.
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Exia92 wrote:Reading through chapter 860-861 again when I noticed something odd. When she texted her older brother, Sera sent a picture asking are you surprised and he replied something like "if it's him then there's no problem". At the end of chapter 861, he asked have you already met the wizard, in which Sera replied "you could say so". If the wizard is Shinichi, then we can guess that either 1. the brother doesn't know of conan's identity but has a respect for his skills. 2.He knows who conan actually is but is seeing if Sera knows.
Hopefully we can get a definite answer to; who's the kid in the picture, who is the second brother, how Sera met Conan in the pass, and why Gosho seems to add in key elements but not the history behind it.
Did you also notice how the "2nd oldest brothers" phone is identical to Subarus?

Well, it's a mystery series, different genre follow different ways of storytelling and whatever the author has in mind. The answer might not be enough for some, but those are already questions that are in the manga itself... If there's a question there will be an answer here
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I've been doing some thinking about the child in the picture, and I've come to an interesting conclusion.

The general thinking I'm seeing here is that the child in the picture is some relative of Sera and her mysterious second brother. I wonder if the person pictured might actually BE her brother. It would explain a few things.

Firstly, if the picture is her brother's child or some other child relative of hers, why show that to Conan? What would be the point? He would have to be able to personally recognize that relative. Obviously this picture is meant as a clue to her other brother's identity. So it makes more sense that this is him. I know the child looks feminine, but if Sera can be mistaken for a man, a male child with long hair could be mistaken for a girl.

Secondly, if this is her brother. Her OLDER brother, and we know this isn't an old picture because Sera made sure her face was present in it, then there's only one way that could be. APTX 4869. Could it be her brother ran afoul of the Black Organization? Perhaps while looking for information on Akai? If he had wouldn't his first inclination be to seek help from someone he trusted above all else? Someone with the smarts to help him? Someone, perhaps, like his detective sister?

If Sera's brother had been forced to join the shrunken detective club it would explain why Sera is being so damn evasive about exactly who and where he is. It would also explain why she and her brother seem to suspect Conan of being more than he appears. It could be that if Sera truly has met Shinichi before, and suspects Conan of being him, and in the same situation as her brother, she would want to secretly test that theory before revealing her brother's condition to him, and if you've been paying attention you've noticed that Sera has been secretly testing Conan's abilities from the moment she was introduced. Why? Perhaps because she wants to make sure she's right before she brings him in as an ally?

This is all just a theory obviously. I could be dead wrong, but I feel this would explain so much about Sera's actions to date. It's obviously Sera knows a lot more than she's let on. How much more we don't know, but there is certainly no denying she's testing Conan for some purpose, but just out of innocent curiosity? Somehow I doubt it. I wonder what you all think of this.
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Citan wrote:I've been doing some thinking about the child in the picture, and I've come to an interesting conclusion.

The general thinking I'm seeing here is that the child in the picture is some relative of Sera and her mysterious second brother. I wonder if the person pictured might actually BE her brother. It would explain a few things.

Firstly, if the picture is her brother's child or some other child relative of hers, why show that to Conan? What would be the point? He would have to be able to personally recognize that relative. Obviously this picture is meant as a clue to her other brother's identity. So it makes more sense that this is him. I know the child looks feminine, but if Sera can be mistaken for a man, a male child with long hair could be mistaken for a girl.

Secondly, if this is her brother. Her OLDER brother, and we know this isn't an old picture because Sera made sure her face was present in it, then there's only one way that could be. APTX 4869. Could it be her brother ran afoul of the Black Organization? Perhaps while looking for information on Akai? If he had wouldn't his first inclination be to seek help from someone he trusted above all else? Someone with the smarts to help him? Someone, perhaps, like his detective sister?

If Sera's brother had been forced to join the shrunken detective club it would explain why Sera is being so damn evasive about exactly who and where he is. It would also explain why she and her brother seem to suspect Conan of being more than he appears. It could be that if Sera truly has met Shinichi before, and suspects Conan of being him, and in the same situation as her brother, she would want to secretly test that theory before revealing her brother's condition to him, and if you've been paying attention you've noticed that Sera has been secretly testing Conan's abilities from the moment she was introduced. Why? Perhaps because she wants to make sure she's right before she brings him in as an ally?

This is all just a theory obviously. I could be dead wrong, but I feel this would explain so much about Sera's actions to date. It's obviously Sera knows a lot more than she's let on. How much more we don't know, but there is certainly no denying she's testing Conan for some purpose, but just out of innocent curiosity? Somehow I doubt it. I wonder what you all think of this.
I support this theory in a way. I also thought that someone also 'joined the shrunken detective club' the first time I saw it. The reason why Sera would show this to Conan is to imply that she already knows Conan's condition. I am not sure. However, I don't like this plot. One Haibara is enough for me. No more shrunken people please (I'm referring to Gosho).

I think the child in the picture is really a girl. Detective Conan's eyes see it as a girl. Mine also see it that way. Who is she? Supporting the shrunken theory, I don't know, maybe Sera's mom? Just kidding. I have no idea. Maybe she's a previous case client of Conan/Shinichi. It was already implied that Sera, Conan/Shinichi and Ran had met before. Well, the two went to New York. Sera was supposedly in America at that time. Shinichi had a case, this child is somehow involved. Then Sera: 'Remember this girl Shinichi?'
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Alright, I came across an interesting line from Sera in Chapter 874:

"Evil spirits and ghosts... Witches and wizards... They live in fantasy worlds... Not one of them exists in this world!"

While this line seems innocuous enough (especially given the context it was used), I believe it may actually be a reference to something. The delivery of it reminds me of the panel waaaaay back when Jodie's alignment was uncertain, when she said "Bureau, or FBI" while listing random-ish English words (the context doesn't matter). Maybe I'm reading into this too much, but here are my thoughts:
-This may be a reference to the case relevant to the child.
-It's also an interesting contradiction in a way, because she refers to Conan as the "Wizard" throughout the series.
-On that note, the emphasis on "one" also intrigues me. She could be referring to the fact that not one, but two "Wizards" exist. ...Oh my gosh, that could be another potential hint that the child in the photo's shrunken: Conan shrinking IS like a wizard, and another shrunken child would be a big hint.

Also, one of the biggest clues to their connection is the sound of waves Ran hears when seeing Sera from behind. This means Ran and Shinichi met her at a sea, and somehow I doubt that they met her by the sea in New York City.

Just some thoughts.
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Honestly I thought the girl might be someone from "that time" and Sera's trying to jog Conan's memory. Of course he doesn't remember her at all to her disappointment haha.

It is interesting to note how Sera looks like Akai and this little girl has light brown hair like Okiya (? ) though. Of course since it's manga we can never really tell what hair people have haha. The only other person with this hair is Eri.
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kirite wrote:Honestly I thought the girl might be someone from "that time" and Sera's trying to jog Conan's memory. Of course he doesn't remember her at all to her disappointment haha.

It is interesting to note how Sera looks like Akai and this little girl has light brown hair like Okiya (? ) though. Of course since it's manga we can never really tell what hair people have haha. The only other person with this hair is Eri.
I think that Sera is trying to give Conan's memory a little jump-start, just not in the way you think. As to the picture, there is a color picture of the girl. It was the cover of the last file. It's here in the spoiler box below (cropped to show the phone more clearly)

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Notice the Blueish eyes and blonde hair, anybody else have that look? Look at how heavy the eyebrows are, especially closer to the nose - and notice how dark they are compared to the hair. Maybe I'm "barking up the wrong tree", but I think whoever that is, may be wearing a wig.
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Everyone keeps saying girl. Am I really the only one who thinks that looks like a boy? The hair is longish yes but the facial features look more male to me. I dunno. Something about the eyes. They look more angular and the bags under the eyes are thicker. More like Akai's eyes than Sera's. For some reason when I look at it I just see a long haired boy. Besides it's not as if long hair on boys is unheard of if either this series (Gin) or in Sera's family. (Akai during the Golden Apple case in new york)
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Citan wrote:Everyone keeps saying girl. Am I really the only one who thinks that looks like a boy? The hair is longish yes but the facial features look more male to me. I dunno. Something about the eyes. They look more angular and the bags under the eyes are thicker. More like Akai's eyes than Sera's. For some reason when I look at it I just see a long haired boy. Besides it's not as if long hair on boys is unheard of if either this series (Gin) or in Sera's family. (Akai during the Golden Apple case in new york)
Well everyone keeps saying that Sera knows that Shinichi is Conan too, she might know Shinichi but knowing that he's Conan...
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