Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 876-878

Conan 48:69 · Post by **Conan 48:69** » October 10th, 2013, 12:20 pm

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k11chi · Post by **k11chi** » October 10th, 2013, 3:14 pm

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Fujiwara · Post by **Fujiwara** » October 11th, 2013, 11:01 pm

Here's the English translation of the non-case parts of file 876:

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Chekhov MacGuffin · October 12th, 2013, 10:36 pm

With help from Fujiwara and Shadow:

Spoiler: case parts of 876

Pg 5: The gang see three men waiting. Ran and Sonoko wonder what those guys are doing in the hallway. Sera says that they're waiting for the manuscript of a popular romance author who lives on that floor. When Sera tries to recall his name, said author introduces himself.
Pg 6-7: The three men are publishers invited over by a romance author, Mr. Bald guy, to get a chance to see his manuscript. Mr. Bald Author challenges the three men to a contest: whoever eats the most would get his manuscript first. Delivery people have been bringing by various orders for this contest: sushi, wine, pizza, Chinese food, and donuts.
Pg 8: The author shows the three men a scale. The winner of the eating contest will be the person with the highest difference between the before and after weigh-in wins. Mr. Bald Author says he'll go take a bath and that they should be watchful that he doesn't leave the chamber and do something bad.
Pg 10: The three men leave feeling sick, and it is unclear which one won. They discuss how the author is having an affair with his assistant, a bleached-hair woman (and the vic in this case). They mention the assistant took a room directly below the author’s, but didn't even show up once. They assume this is because of the bad press the affair got and the threatening letters about the affair they all received. The author was hot up-and-coming when he was younger, then he lost popularity for a while, but recently he's regained popularity all thanks to the new assistant he took on last year.
Pg 13: There is shouting from the floor below.
Pg 14: The body of a blond woman, the assistant of the author, is found by the door of her room on the floor directly below the author’s by a staffperson bringing room service.
Pg 15: She has been strangled and Yoshikawa lines are visible. She has been dead 2-3 hours. The author comes down so see the commotion along with one of the publishers.
Pg 16: The publisher mentions they all received threatening messages regarding the affair between the author and that woman. The author claims not to have heard about them: “You could have told me! While this happened to her, I was writing a romance novel without a care in the world ...” Conan and Sera suspect the bald author is the culprit.

Threatening letter content:
pg 10: Get that man-eating woman who has become his assistant away from him!
pg 16: If you don't get rid of that assistant, you'll regret it ...

My thoughts so far:

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Conan and Sera are convinced that the author is the culprit. Assuming he is, then the contest and the obvious request for the publishers to make sure he doesn’t leave is clearly part of the author’s plan to turn the three men into his alibi. Leaving during a contest is poor form, they might cheat after all.

Based on the fact that the author appears to want his alibi to be that he never left his room during a certain time frame, we can deduce that the murder took place during the eating contest while the author was supposedly in his bath. The crime was also premeditated so we can posit planning beforehand. If the author has an intact alibi, only way for the him to leave his room would be to descend via the balcony which would take him to his assistant’s room directly below his.

The female staffperson who walks in with the bottle of wine is probably the assistant victim. She had blond hair pulled back and is not shown leaving. The author tells her to decant the wine and no more mention is made of her afterwards. She is "hidden" in a crowd of people bringing food items who have come before and after her. Her mole on her chin may be covered by makeup so that she isn't recognizable. It’s unclear why she would disguise and come by. Presumably it’s part of the author’s plan, whatever that is. He must have convinced her to do something…

The author probably descended via balcony to her room (after killing her with her body?). The body needs to be by the door so it will be found quickly. The door also needs to be unlocked so that it appears some random person could attack her.
Assuming the author person was controlling her movement, if he intended to strangle her in her own room, he wouldn't have to have gotten her to come by as a staff. At this point I can’t reconcile why he would ask her to come by dressed as a staff person with necessity. I don’t think she disguised without him knowing because he wouldn’t likely have time to prepare a murder trick that involves getting her body back into her own room on the spot.

The victim died via strangling while conscious and capable of resisting. The Yoshikawa lines around the strangle wound means the item the culprit strangled with her was bloodied. The woman’s body seems to have been found close to her door, so she couldn't be lowered on to her balcony like in the historical actor murder case.

Room service for two – wine with two glasses - was ordered to her room. The room service arriving to her room would be incredibly convenient for the culprit because if she is found quickly it would solidify his alibi. I am guessing he prompted the order: maybe he ordered it for her, telling her he will be down after he and the publishers finish up, or she ordered it on his suggestion thinking he will come down after they finish. I think the first is more likely because the author would want to make sure the body is found before a gap could happen that would break his alibi.

Who sent the threatening letters isn’t clear. The author may have done it in order to provide some sort of motive for an imaginary outside killer to attack the assistant.

The motive for the murder is probably something like the illustrator murder case motive.

The button on the bald author’s shirt has disappeared between the meeting and him coming downstairs. Art error or clue?

Hotel change

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Person opening the door

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k11chi · Post by **k11chi** » October 13th, 2013, 4:32 am

Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:With help from Fujiwara and Shadow:
Spoiler: case parts of 876
Pg 5: The gang see three men waiting. Ran and Sonoko wonder what those guys are doing in the hallway. Sera says that they're waiting for the manuscript of a popular romance author who lives on that floor. When Sera tries to recall his name, said author introduces himself.
Pg 6-7: The three men are publishers invited over by a romance author, Mr. Bald guy, to get a chance to see his manuscript. Mr. Bald Author challenges the three men to a contest: whoever eats the most would get his manuscript first. Delivery people have been bringing by various orders for this contest: sushi, wine, pizza, Chinese food, and donuts.
Pg 8: The author shows the three men a scale. The winner of the eating contest will be the person with the highest difference between the before and after weigh-in wins. Mr. Bald Author says he'll go take a bath and that they should be watchful that he doesn't leave the chamber and do something bad.
Pg 10: The three men leave feeling sick, and it is unclear which one won. They discuss how the author is having an affair with his assistant, a bleached-hair woman (and the vic in this case). They mention the assistant took a room directly below the author’s, but didn't even show up once. They assume this is because of the bad press the affair got and the threatening letters about the affair they all received. The author was hot up-and-coming when he was younger, then he lost popularity for a while, but recently he's regained popularity all thanks to the new assistant he took on last year.
Pg 13: There is shouting from the floor below.
Pg 14: The body of a blond woman, the assistant of the author, is found by the door of her room on the floor directly below the author’s by a staffperson bringing room service.
Pg 15: She has been strangled and Yoshikawa lines are visible. She has been dead 2-3 hours. The author comes down so see the commotion along with one of the publishers.
Pg 16: The publisher mentions they all received threatening messages regarding the affair between the author and that woman. The author claims not to have heard about them: “You could have told me! While this happened to her, I was writing a romance novel without a care in the world ...” Conan and Sera suspect the bald author is the culprit.

Threatening letter content:
pg 10: Get that man-eating woman who has become his assistant away from him!
pg 16: If you don't get rid of that assistant, you'll regret it ...
My thoughts so far:
Spoiler:
Conan and Sera are convinced that the author is the culprit. Assuming he is, then the contest and the obvious request for the publishers to make sure he doesn’t leave is clearly part of the author’s plan to turn the three men into his alibi. Leaving during a contest is poor form, they might cheat after all.

Based on the fact that the author appears to want his alibi to be that he never left his room during a certain time frame, we can deduce that the murder took place during the eating contest while the author was supposedly in his bath. The crime was also premeditated so we can posit planning beforehand. If the author has an intact alibi, only way for the him to leave his room would be to descend via the balcony which would take him to his assistant’s room directly below his.

The female staffperson who walks in with the bottle of wine is probably the assistant victim. She had blond hair pulled back and is not shown leaving. The author tells her to decant the wine and no more mention is made of her afterwards. She is "hidden" in a crowd of people bringing food items who have come before and after her. Her mole on her chin may be covered by makeup so that she isn't recognizable. It’s unclear why she would disguise and come by. Presumably it’s part of the author’s plan, whatever that is. He must have convinced her to do something…

The author probably descended via balcony to her room (after killing her with her body?). The body needs to be by the door so it will be found quickly. The door also needs to be unlocked so that it appears some random person could attack her.
Assuming the author person was controlling her movement, if he intended to strangle her in her own room, he wouldn't have to have gotten her to come by as a staff. At this point I can’t reconcile why he would ask her to come by dressed as a staff person with necessity. I don’t think she disguised without him knowing because he wouldn’t likely have time to prepare a murder trick that involves getting her body back into her own room on the spot.

The victim died via strangling while conscious and capable of resisting. The Yoshikawa lines around the strangle wound means the item the culprit strangled with her was bloodied. The woman’s body seems to have been found close to her door, so she couldn't be lowered on to her balcony like in the historical actor murder case.

Room service for two – wine with two glasses - was ordered to her room. The room service arriving to her room would be incredibly convenient for the culprit because if she is found quickly it would solidify his alibi. I am guessing he prompted the order: maybe he ordered it for her, telling her he will be down after he and the publishers finish up, or she ordered it on his suggestion thinking he will come down after they finish. I think the first is more likely because the author would want to make sure the body is found before a gap could happen that would break his alibi.

Who sent the threatening letters isn’t clear. The author may have done it in order to provide some sort of motive for an imaginary outside killer to attack the assistant.

The motive for the murder is probably something like the illustrator murder case motive.

The button on the bald author’s shirt has disappeared between the meeting and him coming downstairs. Art error or clue?

Hotel change
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The hotel Sera is at now is not the same one that Sera was in to begin with. (See also) That said, Conan and Ran don't mention it so I suppose they expected the move. In this case, Ran says "I’d like to see the place where Sera-san is living as well! ♥" Maybe Sera left after the murder case where the guy trashed her old hotel? Or maybe she moved for another reason?

Person opening the door
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For people wondering about the person opening Sera's door, I did quick sketches to guess the minimum and maximum possible height for the person assuming they are standing normally. (Any squatting, crouching, or leaning over will mean the person is taller than estimation.) My results are that the person is about 1.5 times taller than Conan at minimum and a little less than 2 of Conan at a maximum. That size range covers older tall children to teens about Sera and Ran's height. Keep in mind that this depends on Gosho's art being near perfect and my estimations being pretty good. My method is below.

First I estimated Conan's height relative to the door:

Then, using the image of the hand, I sketched in the body figure of the person using Gosho-style arm, body, head proportions for children (Not uploaded because too lazy, crappy fast art). For calculating lowest possible height, I made the assumption that the arm was fully extended out, in order to minimize the height of the shoulder. (See picture for type of reaching motion I mean). This is probably not realistic given the scene because that would put the person far back from the door rather than a more appropriate peeking out position.
For approximating max height I assumed the upper arm was in a near vertical position similar to this pose's left arm. This brings the shoulder to the maximum possible height.

I think it might be an art error like the Kaito kid one but then again it's better to just think both ways that it might be a clue

Any theories on if there's something else than panties inside Seras room?

Chekhov MacGuffin · October 13th, 2013, 6:21 am

k11chi wrote: I think it might be an art error like the Kaito kid one but then again it's better to just think both ways that it might be a clue

Any theories on if there's something else than panties inside Seras room?

Lots of people are pretty sure there is someone else in the apartment, the same person who opened Sera's apartment door from the inside after Conan dropped his bag. Some people think it is the kid from the picture, some think it is someone else.

Abdul10totti · Post by **Abdul10totti** » October 16th, 2013, 12:03 am

@Chekhov MacGuffin Have you considered the possibility that the person inside the apartment is on a wheelchair ?

Chekhov MacGuffin · October 16th, 2013, 3:14 am

Abdul10totti wrote:@Chekhov MacGuffin Have you considered the possibility that the person inside the apartment is on a wheelchair ?

Yes. That's why I specified the numbers only work for someone standing normally.

kirite · Post by **kirite** » October 17th, 2013, 12:41 am

Not sure what to put in spoiler box anymore lol. Nothing new either way.

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Conan 48:69 · Post by **Conan 48:69** » October 17th, 2013, 9:47 am

Sera was lying a few things:

1) Sera said she was living alone in a hotel is a lie as there have another person inside her room.

2) Sera said she was meeting with her second brother is a just an excuse in order to send a message informing a mystery person that Conan's party was coming to her room. When she was hard to have a chance to meet her second brother who won't even tell her where he is, she would not give up meeting him so easily.

3) Sera won't allow Conan to enter her bedroom as there is a mystery person hiding inside her bedroom.

k11chi · Post by **k11chi** » October 17th, 2013, 12:50 pm

Conan 48:69 wrote:Sera was lying a few things:

1) Sera said she was living alone in a hotel is a lie as there have another person inside her room.

2) Sera said she was meeting with her second brother is a just an excuse in order to send a message informing a mystery person that Conan's party was coming to her room. When she was hard to have a chance to meet her second brother who won't even tell her where he is, she would not give up meeting him so easily.

3) Sera won't allow Conan to enter her bedroom as there is a mystery person hiding inside her bedroom.

Kinda like how Conan did when Sera,Ran and Sonoko came to Shinichis house, Conan hurried there but we dont know what he's hiding.

Also I think during the Red Woman case, when Sera and Conan went to "investigate" outside, Sera was kinda suspicious think it's in the first or 2nd chapter

That hand thing is really odd because usually we see either a eye or person being "...", but now it's just a creepy hand...

MeiTanteixX · Post by **MeiTanteixX** » October 17th, 2013, 5:46 pm

Or...this mystery person is that little girl in the picture, since the height and angle of where the arm came out of was as if the person was almost the same height as conan

MeiTanteixX · Post by **MeiTanteixX** » October 17th, 2013, 5:51 pm

She must be sera half sister, i think her mother remarried after masumi's father's death, that would explain why the girl is blond, bcuz her father is an American, sera must have said on purpose that they are 3 siblings, bcuz she was indicating that they were three siblings with the same father

Fennec · Post by **Fennec** » October 17th, 2013, 5:55 pm

k11chi wrote:That hand thing is really odd because usually we see either a eye or person being "...", but now it's just a creepy hand...

Usually the eye/person going "..." is for the "suspect"/"culprit", isn't it? The way I see it, that kind of thing is for case-relevant characters, usually being the suspect, culprit or witness, as they spy on something relevant to the case. This character isn't spying on anything to do with the case (yet), though.

On the note of the measurements, would Gosho pay enough attention to that so it could be measured mathematically when the only thing being shown is a hand? I imagine he'd "eye" it a bit and go by instinct (he has a lot of experience so he probably didn't have to think about measurements too much), but I doubt he'd expect someone to go to those lengths to check the height. (...Actually, it's kind of funny to imagine him pausing all of his work to measure the drawing with a ruler or protractor, while his assistants just sit there watching him while wondering whether or not to ask about how that relates to the case.)

On that note, I don't think the angle would work for someone from Conan's height. For one, the hand's a bit big for a little kid. Also, if it were someone Conan's height, I think the arm would be more angled. The angle fits the second picture Chek linked. Most likely, it's a teen or an adult.

MeiTanteixX · Post by **MeiTanteixX** » October 17th, 2013, 5:56 pm

The father friend that was rich must be james black, since if her also was an FBI agent, yhe only one who would be close to his age from the FBI is james, plus he seemed to know about her coming to japan, since he knew directly that she was a girl when camel showed a pic of her bcuz she was familiar, i guess he must have helped her and her probably-half-sister getting a place to live in

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