Detective Conan 701-704 (The Jet-Black Mystery Train) Discussion Thread

[calc84maniac]

@DetectiveKir Thanks, that actually sheds more light on the case and helps make the situation more clear. Gosho didn't explain what was going on on Conan's side of things, leaving it to the audience to piece it together; this seems like a plausible explanation.

As for where Akai got the grenade from, I can buy him having it on him in case of an emergency. Detective Nocturne made it obvious that he at least keeps a gun on him at all times (when he leaned out of Agasa's car during the car chase, he was reaching into his jacket in what looked like the position one who was reaching for a gun would be in).

Nah, he was obviously reaching for his comb.

[Divin]

Of course, the question then becomes 'where the hell did Akai get a grenade from?'

You know what.. Akai being Fbi and having a grenade on him does make sense, since Bourbon can have everything from a bug detector, to C4, to a screwdriver, to guns, to a phone on him at the same time lol.

Well... a dead agent is probably not allowed to request FBI resources, but judging from his past and attitude, he probably has his own black market contacts.

As for where Akai got the grenade from, I can buy him having it on him in case of an emergency. Detective Nocturne made it obvious that he at least keeps a gun on him at all times (when he leaned out of Agasa's car during the car chase, he was reaching into his jacket in what looked like the position one who was reaching for a gun would be in).

Although I disagree, that he would have grenades on him all the time. I guess the train was a "let's pack all we can" situation.

Furthermore (now that you are mentioning it) I have no idea what his endgame was in Detective Nocturne. How the hell did they want to explain an engineering student owning a gun and being capable to shoot perfectly whilst hanging out of a driving car to the police and Haibara?!

I know they had to stop the car somehow, but he didn't even wait for the police he did call in via Mouri to join. It seemed like a very rushed decision.

0. The reason why Conan decided to go on the train in the first place, without changing his plans, was because, he, Akai and Yukiko were making a plan to fool Bourbon into beliving that Sherry died aboard the train; which would effectively stop the organizations hunt for her.

I asked this before, I ask it again: what exactly was the plan? Or rather... what do you think it was?

I mean: let's be honest... a one on one of Yukiko (disguised as Sherry) and Bourbon could never have been part of the equation. And don't anyone argue with protective vests! Bourbon (if he wanted to kill) would like Gin aim for the head and they had to assume that Bourbon might want to apprehend Sherry (what he actually wanted).
There isn't really a safe scenario, is there??

[DetectiveKir]

Well... a dead agent is probably not allowed to request FBI resources, but judging from his past and attitude, he probably has his own black market contacts.

I think you forgot that in episode 502(or 503) it was heavily implied that James Black knew Akai's plan. This is the scene where James wants to call Akai backup, but Akai closes the phone and smiles. The scene then cuts away for a while, until it finally returns with James asking Akai "Are you sure?", and Akai telling James to "Have faith in me". Akai finally tells him " To handle things on his end", which probaly meant making sure the Fbi was fully convinced of his death. This scene always implied that James was aware of Akai's plans.

As a result of that, it's not a stretch to conclude James is probably still working as Akai's Fbi contact, because he doesn't have access to weapons and information, because everyone belives he's dead. So more than likely James provided him with the tools needed for this particular mission.

I asked this before, I ask it again: what exactly was the plan? Or rather... what do you think it was?

I mean: let's be honest... a one on one of Yukiko (disguised as Sherry) and Bourbon could never have been part of the equation. And don't anyone argue with protective vests! Bourbon (if he wanted to kill) would like Gin aim for the head and they had to assume that Bourbon might want to apprehend Sherry (what he actually wanted).
There isn't really a safe scenario, is there??[

I think based on what we saw during mystery train there's three things that must have been part of the original plan that involved fooling Bourbon.

1. Akai's grenade
2. The Bullet Proof Vest
3. The Make up Kit
4. Yukiko

^ So I think it's safe to assume, the original plan did involve some sort of fake death scenerio, with Yukiko dressing up as Sherry.

The reason why Conan let her go through with this is because of Akai's influence. And the fact that Conan has complete faith in Akai.

If Akai was really Bourbon's rival, he should have been able to read his movements. By having that knowledge about his rival, he was probally able to predict that Bourbon would take Sherry in alive, rather than killing her on board the train. This is because Bourbon would want to gather information from her through interrogation (Based on his police academy experience), and pick her brains until he was completely sure that she had no information about Akai's whereabouts. This is because, Vermouth most likely told org members like Gin and Bourbon, that when she tried to capture Sherry in 345, they lost because of Akai*; This is also where Conan and Akai started to theorize that there's a reason why Vermouth hasn't told her fellow members about Him and Haibara de-aging. As a result of the story Vermouth used, to cover her tracks, this gave Bourbon reason to believe that Sherry had some connection to Akai, and would have information on him if he was truly alive. Akai realized however, that Bourbon would rather try and interrogate her in a place where there was no chance of him being interrupted, and her escaping. He predicted that Bourbon would most likely try and knock her out, and store her in a storage room until he could transport her later.

*This statement is based on the final conversation between Vermouth and GIn in 345


I think once Conan and Akai realized that Bourbon wanted to take Sherry in alive, to gather information, the plan became simple. They predicted that after, Bourbon transported Yukiko(disguised as Sherry) into the storage room to hold her until the end of the trip, he would return to the main cars of the train because his face was seen by his "friends". This is where Conan would play his part, Conan would intentionally make sure he bumped into Bourbon infront of either Mouri or Ran, early on in the train ride. This is because, having people who knew he was on the train, would make it difficult for him to simply stay in the room with Yukiko the whole ride, without them believing he disappeared. If this didn't work, Conan's back up plan, was to use the voice changer bow, to either call Amuro's name from outside the room in Mouri's voice, or call his cell phone using Mouri's voice and lure him out from the room, for the deduction quiz. Whiles Amuro was out the room ,Akai would retrieve Yukiko from the room, and use grenades to blow it up. Intentionally, leaving pieces of Sherry's hair, taken from Haibara, and other Dna evidence around the the room , to lure the police into beliving that a women had died in the explosion. Conan would make sure to prevent Amuro from going back to the scene, before the train would stop at the next station, and the police would get on board, that he called himself about the explosion.

[Shinichi Edogawa]

Don't think too much for a simple grenade.

[Divin]

I think you forgot that in episode 502(or 503) it was heavily implied that James Black knew Akai's plan. This is the scene where James wants to call Akai backup, but Akai closes the phone and smiles. The scene then cuts away for a while, until it finally returns with James asking Akai "Are you sure?", and Akai telling James to "Have faith in me". Akai finally tells him " To handle things on his end", which probaly meant making sure the Fbi was fully convinced of his death. This scene always implied that James was aware of Akai's plans.

As a result of that, it's not a stretch to conclude James is probably still working as Akai's Fbi contact, because he doesn't have access to weapons and information, because everyone belives he's dead. So more than likely James provided him with the tools needed for this particular mission.

I actually didn't ascribe any importance to that at the time, because usually these cuts between plot lines aren't used to hide information from us, but simply to keep them parallel. Furthermore while watching these episodes I was more focused on the fact that they messed up and let Akai touch James' cell in the first version and corrected it in the second run.

However you are right: it is heavily implied and would make sense. Especially with the mess-up in the anime: if Akai had actually touched James' cell they would have used that to verify his death and if (under these circumstances) James hadn't offered his cell, it would have been clear that it was all a ruse.

Nevertheless (regardless of James knowing or not) I favor my black market hypothesis:
1. Akais dealers wouldn't necessarily know, who he is. I just assume that any FBI agent with half a brain would create a fake personality for such dealings.
2. James (if we expect a certain realism) ordering weapons and explosives would raise a few eyebrows and demand a justification of some sort; FBI protocol and such...

But this is just overthinking on my part, because when it will be revealed that James was helping Akai the whole time, nobody is going to cry out for any kind of FBI protocol.

I think based on what we saw during mystery train there's three things that must have been part of the original plan that involved fooling Bourbon.

1. Akai's grenade
2. The Bullet Proof Vest
3. The Make up Kit
4. Yukiko

^ So I think it's safe to assume, the original plan did involve some sort of fake death scenerio, with Yukiko dressing up as Sherry.
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I agree that Bourbon believes there is a connection between Akai and Sherry, not just because of the events of the Vermouth Arc, but on account that she's Akemi's sister and the FBI mole (formerly) dating your sister would be a suitable first contact after escaping the organization.

Your version of their plan sounds like a plan, but isn't a convincing one. My problems with it:
1. They couldn't be sure that he wouldn't hit the emergency brakes on the train or any other scenario (like the one he actually mentioned) to instantly get Sherry (disguised Yukiko) of the train; and they better had anticipated as much.
2. Who did they want to fool with the explosion? Does anybody seriously believe Bourbon would buy that one?
First of all... who threw the grenade? I don't believe for a second Bourbon would assume a suicide, especially one with a grenade... a scientist's choice would be cyanide... much easier to hide.
Vermouth throwing one? Couldn't be part of the plan, when she wasn't expected to board...
Akai throwing it to silence her? Also not reasonable...
AND the most compelling reason: if he isn't there to witness it himself, why would he believe it to be a real death without checking for a corpse (not necessarily in person, but police and news reports)?! (Imo that is a problem with the happened fake death scenario anyway)

[DetectiveKir]

My plan works on the idea, that the explosion wasn't to fool Bourbon as much it was to make sure the train stopped. Dna and Hair planted from Haibara would then be put at the scene of the explosion to fool the cops into beliving that a women had been in there during the explosion. Bourbon wouldn't be able to see the actual scene, because Conan's role was to make sure Bourbon wouldn't be able to get back to the scene, until the police came on board. When the police came on board, it would make Bourbon extremly suspicious to spend time examing a bombing scene, when everyone else evacuated the scene. A news report wouldn't fool Bourbon alone, but the evidence would be gone by the time he was allowed to reinvestigate. If he could get his hands on the evidence, when he test the Dna, he'll see that it belongs to Sherry.

I'm confused, are you talking about Bourbon's pulling the emergency break?

[Divin]

Yes... I meant he could have pulled the emergency brakes...

Your plan still doesn't work in my opinion. Even if they had put Haibara's DNA there (which I supposed those creeps would have gotten out of her sink ^^) a simple hand grenade doesn't eradicate a complete corpse (otherwise Bourbon wouldn't have been unhurt standing so close to it). A few hairs wouldn't have done the trick. Bourbon knows that, thus he still would have been suspicious about the lack of a corpse. Heck, he doesn't even believe Shuichi is dead despite there being a corpse.

Hence the plot to fake Sherry's death wouldn't have worked out this way...

[DetectiveKir]

Yes... I meant he could have pulled the emergency brakes...

Your plan still doesn't work in my opinion. Even if they had put Haibara's DNA there (which I supposed those creeps would have gotten out of her sink ^^) a simple hand grenade doesn't eradicate a complete corpse (otherwise Bourbon wouldn't have been unhurt standing so close to it). A few hairs wouldn't have done the trick. Bourbon knows that, thus he still would have been suspicious about the lack of a corpse. Heck, he doesn't even believe Shuichi is dead despite there being a corpse.

Hence the plot to fake Sherry's death wouldn't have worked out this way...

I have never been on a train where passengers can pull the emergency breaks. Maybe it's different over there.

Asaga lives with Haibara, getting her DNA wouldn't be a problem in the slightest.

It's not that he wouldn't have been suspicious, it's that he would have to start a new investigation, that would eventually fail because Sherry's in her child forum. So he'd be force to conclude based on the reports, and her dissaperence (Him being the eyewitness to her being on the train) that she died aboard the train.

He's not nearly as obsessed with her as he is with Akai, so I doubt he really cares nearly as much.

Who said Akai only had one grenade? I was under the assumption that he would bring more than one.

[Divin]

I have never been on a train where passengers can pull the emergency breaks. Maybe it's different over there.

Might vary for different countries. Here in Germany there are emergency brakes in every carriage admissible to passengers, although I never have seen one be used so they might be decoration. ^^

But, as I said, one of many possibilities to get her immediately of the train. A risk Conan couldn't take with his mom, not just for her security's sake, but for the lives of all who are connected to the Kudos.

Asaga lives with Haibara, getting her DNA wouldn't be a problem in the slightest.

Never disagreed with you on that one. Getting hairs is easy... I meant they weren't sufficient.

Who said Akai only had one grenade? I was under the assumption that he would bring more than one.

Well... talking about the number of explosives is mere speculation on our part. But yes, he could have been loaded with grenades and even C4.

It's not that he wouldn't have been suspicious, it's that he would have to start a new investigation, that would eventually fail because Sherry's in her child forum. So he'd be force to conclude based on the reports, and her dissaperence (Him being the eyewitness to her being on the train) that she died aboard the train.

He's not nearly as obsessed with her as he is with Akai, so I doubt he really cares nearly as much.

Even if you use enough explosives to put a body to dust and leave only a few hairs for DNA purposes. There is still no apparent perpetrator to do so... thus Bourbon's first guess had to be: scheme/faked death. I mean he is investigating what he believes to be a faked death, it would be his first association.

So... he never would/could have confirmed to the BO that she is actually dead. Square one to me, because the same could have been achieved by not getting Haibara on the train... or simply don't show an adult Sherry... Because then he would have had no leads to her whereabouts, thus redirecting his efforts to Akai (there I agree fully... Akai is the only target he really cares about).

[haihaig]

Spoiler:

As i stated in the manga thread eons ago, this case just doesn't make any sense, first of all, the Murder relies so many factors that could have easily gone wrong that its too hard to believe its even possible.

And the whole BO battle could have easily been solved with antiperspirant..sorry couldn't resist
let me repeat, the whole BO battle just doesn't make any sense, here's a list:

1)The original plan involved yukiko dressing up as sherry and wearing bullet proof chest, what if they shot her in her head?

2)Ignoring the whole "how can kid disguise so quickly" point, You'd think a person such as kid, who just in case something happens hid his glider in the storage room, would be able to escape conan without having to agree to disguise as sherry.

3) Trains have fire extinguishers, if a fire starts there will be people trying to put it off, so Bourbon wouldn't be alone in the last car with sherry and wouldn't be able to perform his plan

4)The whole mind reading thing was also cheap, everything could have gone differently that it doesn't make sense to base a plan on assumptions.

and that's all i have for now.

1. I don't think that was ever their actual plan, because Conan wouldn't put his mom in a situation that dire. I think they assumed Vermouth would check her room and find the items, which would make her belive that it was their main course of action. Which would give Conan and Akai time, to read and react to the situation. That's why she intentionally ran into Vermouth in the hallway, so she could bait her into snooping around her room.

2. It's not that he couldn't get away from Conan, If you haven't noticed they seem to have a mutual respect for each other. Conan has let Kid get away, when he's returning things or helping people out, whiles Kid has helped Conan out on different cases. So Kid wasn't just going to deny Conan's request, that would be completely out of character. Hell, it would even be out of character for Kaito kid in Magic Kaito, to simply deny someone's request knowing that a person might die.

3. The only people that didn't make sense to leave in that instant were the conductors. Especilly since the people involved in the case, should all have a fear of fire. All Bourbon had to do was yell fire, because the smoke was originating from so many different places, if I understood correctly. Vermouth didn't just set it up in one place. If it's already engulfing the whole train, one fire extinguisher isn't gonna be nearly enough.

4. Vermouth's plan in 345 relied on assuming the Fbi's movements, and assuming Conan would go towards the murder rather than protecting Ai. The whole concept behind Clash of Red and Black relied on predicting Gin seeing through the fake trucks, rather than just trying to apprehend all of them. Hell, even 425 relied on Akai assuming that the Bo, would eventually go to Mouri's detective agency. The bottom line is all of the Bo clashes rely on reading their opponent on both sides, because we're talking about extremely intelligent players like Vermouth, Gin, Bourbon, Conan and Akai.


The only thing you might have a point on is number 3, everything else just seems like really weird points. Especially 4, which is a big aspect of any Conan vs BO clash. It's not that they're ever just clashing with guns, it's a clash of wits and prediction, with lives at stake

I agree with DetectiveKir to a large degree, maybe even completely.

1.) Conan would never endanger his mom by letting her come face-to-face with anybody else of the BO than Vermouth/Sharon. (Although I will rant a bit myself about this case and weaken this point substantially). And that this wasn't the actual plan is obvious, since (like DetectiveKir mentioned) Yukiko revealed herself to Vermouth, who didn't know at that point that Yukiko was on board. Hence Vermouth would never check her room. Additionally coming back to said room would be stupid, because Vermouths reaction of checking the room was foreseeable and the disguise-kit would not be usable. And they obviously didn't have just one disguise-kit, because Kaitou Kid used one they had to have prepared. Otherwise it would just be ludicrous. Thus one can safely assume that this whole charade was intended to throw Vermouth off the "real plan"(another part of my rant). A huge indicator for that was left out of the episode: after Vermouth leaves the room, Yukiko glances back and immediately drops her screaming-act (see the manga)

2.) Well... the disguise part is a bit controversial, but as I said: I assume Conan and Yukiko provided the disguise. We don't actually have a time-frame for disguising, but I agree it was unrealistically fast. About the possible escape and helping each other: the "mutual respect" part is true and we all know that Kaitou is at heart on the good side of it all. However I'd like to adress that escaping Conan in tha particular situation wasn't as easy as Conan324 might think. He himself could have probably outwitted Conan in this situation, but not without leaving his partner behind, thus allowing the police to backtrace his actual identity. So... Conan did offer a reasonable incentive.

3.) One could take Vermouths reasoning for granted: the fire-victims caused a mass-hysteria even in the personnel. One could argue that when the fake fire engulfed two wagons they simply didn't see the point of trying to extinguish it. But let's be reasonable: with a fire that big they would have directly stopped the train or at least cut off the last two wagons. That part wasn't in any way realistic.

4.) The duel between Conan + FBI and the BO was always a large chess game. They always try to anticipate their opponents' moves and usually Conan comes up ahead of the BO by thinking one step further (or simply by being exceptionally lucky: see the night in the locker ^^). No mind reading involved. And every plan is based on assumptions: if you know how it all works out then you don't need a plan, because you already have a solution. If you have a specific assumption, you object to, we can talk about it further, but you can't generally dismiss the notion of assumptions in a fight between Team Conan and the BO, otherwise you won't enjoy them very much.

Now to my rant:
There are probably a lot of people who already ranted about this case in the spoiler-filled part of this forum, so my objections might be redundant. Personally I only watch the anime and take up the manga if I have the feeling I or the anime-producers might have missed something. So bare with me!

1.) Conan knows the BO's modus operandi by now. They act like a surgeon with a scapel if it suits them, but they don't care if they have to take out a large group of people to achieve their goals. Given that Gin's ridiculous plan was to blow up the whole train station, it was more than reasonable to assume that they would just blow up the train. Nevertheless Conan put himself, Haibara, Ran!, his mother, Agasa and the DB on the train. I can't be the only one who thinks that is freaking stupid. Especially when their reward is sooo small. Hurray: the BO thinks Sherry is dead. I don't think that this justifies the risks at all.

2.) What was the actual plan? If Conan really relied on finding Kaitou and blackmailing him into disguising as Sherry, then he has lost his game. And for observing the situation and coming up with a plan on the spot, the risks were way to high. I am sorry, but in all the other clashed Conan's plans were brillant (not perfect, but brillant) and this plan wasn't even a plan. In this case the conclusion with Kaitou was a 'deus ex machina' if I ever saw one; which would be fine with me, if there had been a plan to begin with. But as I said: I think Yukiko disguising was never a real plan except for maybe stalling and after that... there was nothing but reacting, which is a very poor agenda when the stakes are that high.

3.) What was Kaitou doing there in the first place? As if he couldn't check and rig the train when it isn't actually on the rails...

4.) How stupid was the whole setup? There are literally thousands of ways to leave the region, but Sherry would pick a highly advertised train and sport the according ring weeks before, because apart from creating a drug that can cause rejuvenation this girl has no brains at all?!?! Was that really the BO's reasoning??? I mean I get that they would check for her in this train, because it was their only clue, but they were willing to blow up a whole train station and create a lot of smoke (figuratively speaking) for what might have been a ruse?

I could go on... but the goal of a rant is to feel better (not about the case, but in general). Goal achieved ^^! Don't let that discourage you from disagreeing with me. I would really appreciate it, if you could make sense of this case for me, because I don't like to think that Gosho is losing his touch with the BO. I could live with all other cases becoming stale, but the BO arcs must take a turn for the better.

Yes exactly what you said. Did conan really rely on Kid? What if Kid didn't show up, or what if Conan didn't manage to deduce Kid's identity? I wonder what Conan would have done then. Any ideas? I can't seem to find any theories on this.

Spoiler:

Even now, though, I still don't completely understand what exactly took place on the Mystery Train. Was Conan aware that the BO would be there or not? What was the text he received in the second episode that sent him into such a panic? It was never made clear whether Conan was prepared for the BO coming or not. I mean, he couldn't have known Bourbon saw Shiho and was boarding the train, and yet he had Okiya and Yukiko on the train anyways, as if he were prepared for the possibility. The rather weak plan involving KID that he made on the go seems to suggest that the BO being on the train was something he didn't expect, otherwise he would have planned better. So yeah, that aspect of the case still confuses me. Maybe I just need to go back and watch the case more closely to get my answer, but it would be nice if someone can clear this up for me.

Here's the sequence of events I believe took place on board Mystery train, but I still have a couple things I need to confirm.

0. The reason why Conan decided to go on the train in the first place, without changing his plans, was because, he, Akai and Yukiko were making a plan to fool Bourbon into beliving that Sherry died aboard the train; which would effectively stop the organizations hunt for her.

1. Conan most likely tried to convince Ran and Sonoko not to board, but realized it was pointless because of Sonoko's obsession with Kaito Kid, and to actually stop them he'd probally have to reveal himself. Conan also realized any way he tried to prevent the Detective Boys, from getting on the train, would tip Haibara off, to the information about Bourbon he's been hiding from her ever since Jodie called him. As a result Conan decided to bank on the idea, that as long as Bourbon was on board the train, the Bo wouldn't blow it up .

2. Conan was already aware of Bourbon's identity before going on the train. The reason why I say this, is because Akai saw Bourbon's face in Detectives Nocturne, so it's safe to conclude, that since they were rivals he would recognize him. And as we know Akai and Conan should be sharing information.

3. Conan was aware that Bourbon would be boarding the train, as Akai probably shared with him information about Bourbon going through the computer.

4. Conan and Akai weren't aware that Bourbon was working with Vermouth. This is important because Conan would assume that no Black org member would be able to recognize Ai in her current form, especially if they were basing it off the hooded picture uploaded by the Detective Boys. However, with Vermouth coming on board it meant Sherry wasn't safe simply by being a child.

5. The text message Conan received, that changed his attitude on board the train, was from Akai, claiming that Amuro was already on the train, so Vermouth was most likely the one disguised as Scar Akai.

6. Once Akai, Conan and Yukiko realized that Vermouth was on the train they tried to figure out a way to outsmart her, and keep a step ahead of her. This was all being planned through text messages. Conan realizes that Vermouth must have a reason for not wanting to kill Sherry whiles she's a child, and wants to use that weakness as a way to save Haibara.

7. Whiles investigating the case, Conan realizes that Kaito kid and his accomplish are disguised on board. This is when Conan realizes that disguising someone as Sherry would give Haibara the space she needed to leave the train safely. However, Akai belives that Vermouth who's a master of disguise will see through this easily, especilly if it's Yukiko.

8. They realize that someone disguising as Sherry could fool Bourbon, who isn't as familiar with Sherry's face as Vermouth is.

9. So Conan decides to use Yukiko to keep Vermouth distracted long enough so she never gets a chance to see Sherry, and see through the disguise. This is also when he decides that he'll have Kaito Kid disguised as Sherry rather than Yukiko.

10. During this time Akai and Yukiko set up the fake make up kit, and suitcase, to distract Vermouth. They also provide Kaito Kid with the Wig of Sherry's hair, because they belive Vermouth would assume that Yukiko having brown hair wouldn't need a wig to disguise as Sherry, and therefore wouldn't worry if it was missing.

11. After all the preparations are completed, Yukiko intentionally baited Vermouth by bumping into her in the hallway. Vermouth immediatley sees through her disguise, and checks the guest book to discover what room's she's staying in. Vermouth then disposes of the fake make up kit, and suitcase, as planned. Yukiko and Conan then work together to distract her for an extremly long period of time.

12. During this period Bourbon meets up with Kid disguised as Sherry, and is fooled by seemingly legitimate answers provided by Haibara. Bourbon had no direct relationship with Sherry in the past so he's not able to see through the disguise, as Vermouth would. He also doesn't know Sherry enough to know that her reaction, to his presence, isn't how she normally would react in a situation like this.

13. Finally, Akai realized earlier on, that if Bourbon took Sherry hostage, and met up with Vermouth when the train stopped, the plan would fail, and Kaito Kid would be in huge danger. As a result Akai decides he'll use a grenade, so that Kaito Kid can pull an escape in the few moments he's separated from Bourbon's eyes.

What if Conan couldn't deduce Kid's identity and if Kid wasn't on the train, who would Conan use to disguise as Sherry?

[Spimer]

This thread is 3 years old so I'm going to lock it because there's no need to continue the discussion here and there was no need to bump a thread that's been inactive for so much time.

If you have questions about "what-ifs" scenarios you can discuss them in the Q&A thread in this same board.

In the future please avoid bumping threads that are over a year old.