Conan and Bourbon - question

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Adel34 wrote:Haibara's safety? But all BO members except Vermouth think that she's dead, right? And we know that Vermouth won't tell anybody, so...
Conan only knows that Amuro is Bourbon, because Amuro told 'Sherry' (actually Kaitō Kid, but he doesn't know that), who as far as Amuro knows, died afterwards. If Amuro finds out Conan knows his identity, then he'll try to find out how he knew, which could lead him to Haibara.
Amuro can think that Conan could have heard the conversation between Sherry and him, after all, Conan was in the train. Or the shadow that he saw in the train (which is possible he thinks is Akai) could have explained everything to Conan.
I don't know, I don't think it's the only possible way.
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I think part of it is that Conan is curious as to why Amuro remains at Poirot after the arc on the train. With the BO allegedly convinced that Haibara is dead, Amuro's assignment should have been completed. Conan doesn't want to interfere until he and the FBI understand Amuro's motivation.

Another part of me says that Conan does not believe Amuro is like Gin or Vodka. Amuro did try to assist Conan during the freezer delivery van case and Conan left a clue with the receipt specifically for Amuro to find, and Amuro did chase down the receipt when the wind took it with considerable concern.

Lastly, the BO don't know that Bourbon's identity is known to Conan and the FBI, so there's no reason to reveal that information by confronting Amuro.
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MagicianUndertheMoonlight wrote:I think part of it is that Conan is curious as to why Amuro remains at Poirot after the arc on the train. With the BO allegedly convinced that Haibara is dead, Amuro's assignment should have been completed. Conan doesn't want to interfere until he and the FBI understand Amuro's motivation.

Another part of me says that Conan does not believe Amuro is like Gin or Vodka. Amuro did try to assist Conan during the freezer delivery van case and Conan left a clue with the receipt specifically for Amuro to find, and Amuro did chase down the receipt when the wind took it with considerable concern.

Lastly, the BO don't know that Bourbon's identity is known to Conan and the FBI, so there's no reason to reveal that information by confronting Amuro.
I think Amuro didnt disappear as a sudden disappearance would be suspicious and looked into. The police would be on the lookout to find him, or at least alert for him, which, in turn, may make his BO dealings harder to carry out.
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Conan-chandesune wrote:
MagicianUndertheMoonlight wrote:I think part of it is that Conan is curious as to why Amuro remains at Poirot after the arc on the train. With the BO allegedly convinced that Haibara is dead, Amuro's assignment should have been completed. Conan doesn't want to interfere until he and the FBI understand Amuro's motivation.

Another part of me says that Conan does not believe Amuro is like Gin or Vodka. Amuro did try to assist Conan during the freezer delivery van case and Conan left a clue with the receipt specifically for Amuro to find, and Amuro did chase down the receipt when the wind took it with considerable concern.

Lastly, the BO don't know that Bourbon's identity is known to Conan and the FBI, so there's no reason to reveal that information by confronting Amuro.
I think Amuro didnt disappear as a sudden disappearance would be suspicious and looked into. The police would be on the lookout to find him, or at least alert for him, which, in turn, may make his BO dealings harder to carry out.
Not necessarily. Amuro wasn't a material witness or a person of interest to the police and it would be easy for him to just say he was opening his own private eye practice in some other prefecture. He was an apprentice detective as far as those around him were concerned.
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MagicianUndertheMoonlight wrote: Another part of me says that Conan does not believe Amuro is like Gin or Vodka. Amuro did try to assist Conan during the freezer delivery van case and Conan left a clue with the receipt specifically for Amuro to find, and Amuro did chase down the receipt when the wind took it with considerable concern.
I don't think Conan can bet on that, while he certainly is different than Gin, he's in the BO organization after all and has to complete his assignments, so Conan should consider him a threat.
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Akai Shuuichi wrote:
MagicianUndertheMoonlight wrote: Another part of me says that Conan does not believe Amuro is like Gin or Vodka. Amuro did try to assist Conan during the freezer delivery van case and Conan left a clue with the receipt specifically for Amuro to find, and Amuro did chase down the receipt when the wind took it with considerable concern.
I don't think Conan can bet on that, while he certainly is different than Gin, he's in the BO organization after all and has to complete his assignments, so Conan should consider him a threat.
Exactly, that and the fact that bourbon hates Akai should be enough reason to label him a bad guy. Not to mention that he was fine with killing Sherry, even if he knew her sister and family..
I could understand why doesn't conan try to go after him, but I think it is not a smart move to let that guy so close to everyone you know.. even if you don't go after him, don't let him come to you.
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Akai Shuuichi wrote:
MagicianUndertheMoonlight wrote: Another part of me says that Conan does not believe Amuro is like Gin or Vodka. Amuro did try to assist Conan during the freezer delivery van case and Conan left a clue with the receipt specifically for Amuro to find, and Amuro did chase down the receipt when the wind took it with considerable concern.
I don't think Conan can bet on that, while he certainly is different than Gin, he's in the BO organization after all and has to complete his assignments, so Conan should consider him a threat.
Amuro also nursed Conan after he got hit by the tennis racket in one of the first few cases after the train incident.

I'm not saying he can trust Amuro but I think Conan doesn't believe Amuro would use the same methods as the rest of the BO to achieve his goals.

Also, we still don't know why Amuro hates Akai, yet I suspect it had something to do with Akemi's death.
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MagicianUndertheMoonlight wrote:Amuro also nursed Conan after he got hit by the tennis racket in one of the first few cases after the train incident.

I'm not saying he can trust Amuro but I think Conan doesn't believe Amuro would use the same methods as the rest of the BO to achieve his goals.
Maybe he's not as violent as Gin, but he still uses the same methods as the organisation, which is killing without leaving a trace, he was ready to kill Shiho on the train. Similarily, Vermouth couldn't shoot Ran, still that doesn't make her a person Conan can trust, she's still a murderer.
MagicianUndertheMoonlight wrote: Also, we still don't know why Amuro hates Akai, yet I suspect it had something to do with Akemi's death.

I don't think so, if he hated him for that reason that means that he cared for Akemi and blamed her death on Akai, if so, I don't believe someone can kill the sister of one who was special to him, it's not like Amuro is a heartless killer.
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Amuro did not try to kill Sherry on the train. He try to take her back alive (screw whatever happen after that? Maybe he believes Sherry is too important for the boss to kill?)
BTw theory that Amuro hates Akai because of Akemi was mentioned often.
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Ha, well I haven't been on this forum for a long time now. I guess I didn't realize the Amuro Akai Akemi triangle theory is popular. I just think we have too little to formulate alternative theories of Akai and Amuro, except maybe something related to Takagi's ex-partner Date. Amuro seems like an otherwise upstanding guy, so hatred over the death of someone like Akemi to me seems consistent with his character.
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I really think there's more to the relation between Date and Amuro.
Anyways, this was my first time reading about the Akemi/Akai/Amuro theory, it may be true, but for some reason I don't find it plausible, anyways, we have too little evidence about that, but I really don't think it's just a matter of rivalry as I read somewhere. I think they were really close in the organization(like Gin&Vodka?) but with a rather more tense relation, I really believe so since Amuro said 'I always knew he was a spy for the FBI", in order for someone to deduce that, he has to be not only extremely smart, but also close to Akai. Who knows? Just Gosho =P.
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