Ecchi Hakone Bath's Murder Case (722-724): Vote for the culp

[sstimson]

I have a questions for the experts here. Could this murder been by stream? What I mean is this. You fill a room so full of stream you can not breathe. If so how long would it take? As for your blood he might have hit his head after death.

[GinRei]

I have a questions for the experts here. Could this murder been by stream? What I mean is this. You fill a room so full of stream you can not breathe. If so how long would it take? As for your blood he might have hit his head after death.

No, the air can only get just so saturated.

[sstimson]

Ok right Idea, wrong method. Death not by not being able to breathe but by dehydration. So a villain could lock someone in the room for 10 to 15 minutes and after that time they be dead. See the following

http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F2/210/210.F2d.785.103.22811.html

http://writersforensicsblog.wordpress.com/2009/10/20/guru-on-hot-seat-sweat-lodges-and-heat-stroke/

http://www.ehow.com/video_4872883_how-long-should-stay-steam.html

The idea now seem proved. Get someone into a stream room and lock them in. Wait 15  to 20 minutes and then open door. No need to enter room with victim.

[Boxcar Children]

Im going with the creepy lady Natori Mishio. why does it have to be the men why cant it be a woman.
Ok maybe it not always the men
but to me it seems to early to jump to conclusens-so why did I vote-mentel note

Or we could do what Mouri alway sais he killed himself.....not.....That dosent happen lately in conan

[mangaluva]

I have no idea yet, so I'm saying "other" and going with the Goemon doll. Agasa accidentally gave it parts from the Terminator and now it's going on a killing rampage.

[Schillok]

Ok right Idea, wrong method. Death not by not being able to breathe but by dehydration. So a villain could lock someone in the room for 10 to 15 minutes and after that time they be dead. See the following

http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F2/210/210.F2d.785.103.22811.html

http://writersforensicsblog.wordpress.com/2009/10/20/guru-on-hot-seat-sweat-lodges-and-heat-stroke/

http://www.ehow.com/video_4872883_how-long-should-stay-steam.html

The idea now seem proved. Get someone into a stream room and lock them in. Wait 15  to 20 minutes and then open door. No need to enter room with victim.

No. Two points speak against this:

1) The Detective Boys entered the bath only about 10 minutes after the old man. Given that his health was still okay he would have been still alive.
2) The water temperature is only 42.3°C. This is no stream room, it is just a bath with water a few degrees above normal human body temperature. You wouldn't dehydrate there (or at least it would take MUCH longer). 

[baka1412]

I have no idea yet, so I'm saying "other" and going with the Goemon doll. Agasa accidentally gave it parts from the Terminator and now it's going on a killing rampage.

Make sense in some way or another...

It's been proved that when Gosho introduced Agasa new gadget, it MIGHT play an important part within the story later...

[sstimson]

Ok right Idea, wrong method. Death not by not being able to breathe but by dehydration. So a villain could lock someone in the room for 10 to 15 minutes and after that time they be dead. See the following

http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F2/210/210.F2d.785.103.22811.html

http://writersforensicsblog.wordpress.com/2009/10/20/guru-on-hot-seat-sweat-lodges-and-heat-stroke/

http://www.ehow.com/video_4872883_how-long-should-stay-steam.html

The idea now seem proved. Get someone into a stream room and lock them in. Wait 15  to 20 minutes and then open door. No need to enter room with victim.

No. Two points speak against this:

1) The Detective Boys entered the bath only about 10 minutes after the old man. Given that his health was still okay he would have been still alive.
2) The water temperature is only 42.3°C. This is no stream room, it is just a bath with water a few degrees above normal human body temperature. You wouldn't dehydrate there (or at least it would take MUCH longer). 

On part (1) they see him crossing around 4:43 ( Remember it might not be the victim in which case it would have been more then 10 minutes ). They go and find the Prof sleeping and then around 4:50 (about 7 minutes ) see the guy allowing then to enter the bath. if this was near the Prof then it will take at least another 7 minutes to get back to the overlook and say 2 minutes to get to the bridge. say it takes 2 minutes to cross the bridge and 2 more minutes to finally get to the baths then the time becomes 5:03 (about 13 minutes from the ok ) - 4:45 ( say 2 minutes to get the victim to the bath ) for a total of 18 to 19 minutes before they find the body

On part (2) We are talking death by Heat Stroke. First 18 minutes could put the victim into a coma. Depending on the physical health of the victim, the heat could have caused either a heart attack or a stroke. See These Googled Articles for more Information

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperthermia

http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9907/28/heat.dangers/

http://www.medicinenet.com/heat_stroke/article.htm

Note it is not just the Heat +40 Degrees C (40 C  Equals 104 F )but also the humidity. If there is too much it prevents the victim from being able to cool off by sweating fast enough. If the victim drank either alcohol or caffeine then they would already be a little dehydrated.
You said a few degrees. The way I look at it try 10degrees. (42 C is close to 108 F)

As for more evidence two items:
1) the victim has what looks to me lots of sweat drop on the body.
2) Conan said it was a locked room murder. Most locked room murder require breaking in to enter the room. In this case the kids just walked in. Also a person who gets too hot would try to leave and get to cooler areas. But if the killer locked the door, that would not be possible.

[ziraulo]

I'm not yet voting until I get the next chapter. I still need the alibis.

...Though I do have a hypothesis on how the culprit did it. If it was the actress, all she had to do was either invite the old man, or wait for him to get all pervy and try to enter the bath. But as a few people here said, the bath signs looked like they were switched. You know all the pranks that involve switching the signs on bathroom doors? That's what I'm thinking!  8)

...Well, if it was any of the guys. Here's the demo:

1) Invite culprit. Or the victim, in case the culprit was in first.
2) Kill victim.
3) Get out before the kids get in and switch bathroom signs to make it look like he's a perv or the actress killed him.

Well, that's about it. No scientific research or whatsoever, so feel free to correct me.

[caribou]

i think it is a locked room murder because the staff would have prevented anyone else, or at least anyone else who isn't a 'special guest', from going in. and the murderer wouldn't be able to escape unseen because Ayumi and Haibara entered the bath shortly after the old man was killed. assuming, of course, there is no other entrance/exit (and i assume this is a correct assumption, haha, since Conan deduced that it was a locked-room murder).

it might be a trick with time, as some have pointed out: the old man that the DB saw might be someone else in disguise. but that means there should still be 2 people in the room, where did the murderer go?
or maybe it is a case where the murderer left some kind of contraption, so that when the old man walked into the bath he was killed using the contraption and the murderer didn't need to be there?

everything is still quite vague now and i don't think there is anything peculiar yet, which is usually the key to solving the mysteries. :/ so a lot of possibilities are still left open.

[baka1412]

Omg, Conan is so GAY...

They're talking about the Girls body, and here he is talking about dead body... I'm worried about this boy future...

[Conan 48:69]

File 723: I wonder if Conan-kun plays dumb for didn't see Ayumi and Ai-chan in nude. Of course, if Conan-kun confessed it, Genta and Mitsuhiko will kill Conan-kun for it.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

I am going to attempt a first pass explanation later, but a preliminary glance over the file brought to my attention the possibility that it was the screenwriter who may have camped out all night behind the bath. He has a pipe and may light it with matches. I will think more about it later...

[Abs.]

I am going to attempt a first pass explanation later, but a preliminary glance over the file brought to my attention the possibility that it was the screenwriter who may have camped out all night behind the bath. He has a pipe and may light it with matches. I will think more about it later...

Whatever you do, don't edit this post with your "later" thoughts.  I'm just sayin'...

Anyhow, he may have.  That'd explain how the manager was able to disguise as him and not raise any eyebrows of, "But didn't we just see that guy?"  The remaining question is... why?

[Pretztailfan95]

Omg, Conan is so GAY...

They're talking about the Girls body, and here he is talking about dead body... I'm worried about this boy future...

I so laughed about that. It's hilarious! Conan's an idiot. XD