*SPOILER FREE* Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 856-858

[LtCmdDudefella]

The solution seems to be overly complicated. It's like the culprit expected there to be a strong detective on the scene to think of the Rumi-in-disguise version of the trick. Yokomizo wouldn't have bothered on his own.

The culprit shows intelligence by coming up with a plan to implicate another person by making it look like they performed a trick, yet it contradicts with the culprit poorly thinking out several components. He is still a major suspect and Yokomizo would have hauled him off anyway had Sera, an unexpected guest, not stepped in. How did Settsu know what instructions Rumi would give Ran when she got upstairs? Ran might not have been first to the chloroform if Rumi politely asked her to wait until she finished the phone call because Rumi decided that it would be better to go together rather than have Ran wake Waka alone. What if Ran was feeling shy/polite and waited outside the shower until Rumi finished the call instead of barging into the room? That problem would have still existed even if Rumi's sister came along instead of Ran. Also the culprit didn't paint the ground with red paint. Wouldn't forensics notice the fake death didn't add up once they tried to verify Rumi's "scheme"? Then there are the contradictions Conan pointed out. The whole thing seems favor story (Conan gets to beat Sera again) over logic.

Even though Waka put Settsu's contact in her own eye, wouldn't both her eyes close after she finished because she was falling unconscious? Also Gosho seems to have forgotten hot water is not infinite, especially in apartments....

I think it only seems that way because Sera made her deduction before they found the bottle with her prints on it. Once they found the bottle with her prints on it i think even Yokomizo would've deduced the same as Sera. The problems that Conan pointed out are ones that would've been overlooked by Yokomizo anyway and his plan would've been a success. Well, except for the contact lens.

[Pmofmalasia]

A thought about the contact lens: I could be wrong since I don't wear contacts, but when you put them in you don't necessarily cover the whole lens with your finger, right? So if Waka only covers part of the lens with her finger when putting it in, then some of Settsu's prints should still be on the lens, right? Especially since Settsu would have multiple prints on the lens from putting the lens in multiple times. Also, it's possible (although not mentioned) that the strength of the prescription for each person would be different, so you could identify Settsu from the lens in that way as well.

[Giogio]

There was one more suicide, where two pieces of cake were made to look like one and the second set of cutlery was hidden around the room... sad one.

The victim in that case didn't commit a suicide. It was his murderer who killed herself by jumping out of the building.

Ah right, that's how it was. Faulty brain is faulty.

[bluekaitou1412]

The case aside, it seems like Sera's totally outsourcing. Hm. I wonder if all her previous deductions were "relayed" ones. That would be disappointing.

[Giogio]

Sera was just getting a second opinion, I wouldn't call that outsourcing. Or maybe she wanted an excuse to call her brother, if she really was talking to Akai (I doubt she would so openly address him as brother though)

[Ringo]

...Also the culprit didn't paint the ground with red paint. Wouldn't forensics notice the fake death didn't add up once they tried to verify Rumi's "scheme"? Then there are the contradictions Conan pointed out. The whole thing seems favor story (Conan gets to beat Sera again) over logic.

Adding red paint to the bathroom floor would instantaneously give away that the culprit isn't who the culprit is trying to frame for the crime. It is still a stupid act, however, for a man who came up with this elaborate escape plan, to carelessly dispose his "materials" (not even close but) inside the crime scene!

The case aside, it seems like Sera's totally outsourcing. Hm. I wonder if all her previous deductions were "relayed" ones. That would be disappointing.

According to a friend (who is most likely your alter ego), Sera wasn't "outsourcing" since the person he's talking to on the phone is most probably (or just is) someone she hasn't talked to before or for a long time.

[bluekaitou1412]

Sera was just getting a second opinion, I wouldn't call that outsourcing. Or maybe she wanted an excuse to call her brother, if she really was talking to Akai (I doubt she would so openly address him as brother though)

Well, getting a second opinion kinda brings her level a notch below some people. Haha. Kidding. Even Conan needs a second opinion--yeeeeeah if he isn't almost always right. -_- If she really was talking to Akai, I agree with you that she shouldn't just call him brother in public. Er. Maybe it was intentional? Anything's possible now. And the next series is supposedly a must-see. Plot, I hope~!

@Ringo: Pst, don't bring real life tidbits in here too much. )))

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

...Also the culprit didn't paint the ground with red paint. Wouldn't forensics notice the fake death didn't add up once they tried to verify Rumi's "scheme"? Then there are the contradictions Conan pointed out. The whole thing seems favor story (Conan gets to beat Sera again) over logic.

Adding red paint to the bathroom floor would instantaneously give away that the culprit isn't who the culprit is trying to frame for the crime.

How does that work? Settsu wanted to make it look like Rumi got to the bathroom first, posed as the corpse including blood, and then killed the real one once Ran fell unconscious. The red paint in the tub drain was to make it look like fake blood was used. However, if there were no traces of paint on the ground where the body was, then Rumi would be exonerated because Ran would say she saw blood, but there were no paint traces there as evidence for Rumi's trick. Then Rumi could say she had been framed...

[Commi-Ninja]

Aaaand the last page redeemed an otherwise mostly run-of-the-mill case. Though, I will say - I didn't expect the culprit to behave as he did, and Yokomizo was awesome in that part.

Was I the only one reminded of Heiji's introductory case? It seemed like the same situation between Sera and Conan as it had been for Heiji and Shinichi. (And, naturally, Conan/Shinichi has to be right and Sera/Heiji has to be wrong, because... he's the main character, darn it!)

[Ringo]

...Also the culprit didn't paint the ground with red paint. Wouldn't forensics notice the fake death didn't add up once they tried to verify Rumi's "scheme"? Then there are the contradictions Conan pointed out. The whole thing seems favor story (Conan gets to beat Sera again) over logic.

Adding red paint to the bathroom floor would instantaneously give away that the culprit isn't who the culprit is trying to frame for the crime.

How does that work? Settsu wanted to make it look like Rumi got to the bathroom first, posed as the corpse including blood, and then killed the real one once Ran fell unconscious. The red paint in the tub drain was to make it look like fake blood was used. However, if there were no traces of paint on the ground where the body was, then Rumi would be exonerated because Ran would say she saw blood, but there were no paint traces there as evidence for Rumi's trick. Then Rumi could say she had been framed...

If I was Rumi, and I killed Waka in the same manner as how Settsu played the scene in his head, I wouldn't put red paint on the ground with the same reason you gave. Ran's possible statement will only be in favor to my plans. I'm saying that it's a "give away", because the paint is a bold sign saying, "Hey! I killed her!" which is odd for a criminal planning to escape using this trick.

Was I the only one reminded of Heiji's introductory case? It seemed like the same situation between Sera and Conan as it had been for Heiji and Shinichi. (And, naturally, Conan/Shinichi has to be right and Sera/Heiji has to be wrong, because... he's the main character, darn it!)

I am always reminded of Heiji every time someone challenges Shinichi/Conan. I can never really say that DC's star wins all the time, because he recognizes his opponents' ideas as well. They start, Conan concludes--this doesn't necessarily mean that he wins, right? (:

[bluekaitou1412]

(And, naturally, Conan/Shinichi has to be right and Sera/Heiji has to be wrong, because... he's the main character, darn it!)

That, and it certainly won't hurt having him fail once in a while (or more in a while). I'll like him more if he misses some cases every now and then.

[Ringo]

(And, naturally, Conan/Shinichi has to be right and Sera/Heiji has to be wrong, because... he's the main character, darn it!)

That, and it certainly won't hurt having him fail once in a while (or more in a while). I'll like him more if he misses some cases every now and then.

Losing might greatly affect his reputation. :/ But I don't mind if someone figures a case faster than him. ((:

[bluekaitou1412]

Losing might greatly affect his reputation. :/ But I don't mind if someone figures a case faster than him. ((:

We have Yuusaku for that. Conan should lose to... say, Amuro. Yeah, that'd be awesome.

[Ringo]

Losing might greatly affect his reputation. :/ But I don't mind if someone figures a case faster than him. ((:

We have Yuusaku for that. Conan should lose to... say, Amuro. Yeah, that'd be awesome.

That's why I don't mind. Shinichi's parents are awesome. And, um... :O That should happen!

[bluekaitou1412]

If Bourbon is as good as they say he is... (Although that mess from the Bell Tree arc is no indication)