Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 856-858

[janggo0410]

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who is Sera talking to?

[Pmofmalasia]

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Partially copy/pasted theory from the spoiler cbox, but is it just me or does it look like the victim is about to kiss someone? She certainly isn't shocked, and the wound looks to be on the front of her head so it must be someone she trusts... which points to the boyfriend. Plus, the lack of surprise means that either the killer was let in by her (why would she do that with a mask (guy here, pretty sure that's what it's called ) on if it's not someone she's very close to?) or it's not odd that the killer could let himself into her apartment (the boyfriend's spare key). Unless that other guy was in a relationship with her?

Ah, and for those who don't know there's a cleaned but untranslated version of 857 out (meaning that the speech bubbles are blank), which you can see here: http://www.dctp.ws/Latest/Spoilers/V81-7Read/A1.html

[angelranchan]

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who is Sera talking to?

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maybe her client? that girl from class a?

[Nix]

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In the end when the two guys gave Conan the coins, what did he notice from it? Was it simply the handedness? The wound was at the right side of the victim's head, I guess right-handed people will usually go for the left if they hit a person.. So does that mean one of them is hiding the fact that they're left-handed? Seems too simple, and I'm pretty sure everything else has some part in it, but this is just my guess

[mihai]

Spoiler:

who is Sera talking to?

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she could be talking to her brother? Maybe she already went to talk with him. Because I don't know who else she would ask if her deduction is right since she already knows Conan is Shinichi. It's weird though, you would expect she would talk with Conan like Heiji does.

[Pandora12]

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If Sera is telling whoever's on the phone whether she's correct about Conan being Shinichi, then the person on the phone has to be someone Sera knows and trusts really well.

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Sera may also be consulting someone else about the case just to make sure she's got all her facts straight.

The victim died by inhaling chloroform and falling down hitting her head on the floor.

Ran had a headache when she woke up and Rumi's key slipped out of her hand earlier in the case. chloroform can make surfaces slippery and can cause headaches when people wake up from it's effects

the possible culprit of this case

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Kenya maybe the murderer because he had to give Conan his change with his palm face up so he wouldn't drop the coins.

[ShinRan4ver]

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Sera may also be consulting someone else about the case just to make sure she's got all her facts straight.

The victim died by inhaling chloroform and falling down hitting her head on the floor.

Ran had a headache when she woke up and Rumi's key slipped out of her hand earlier in the case. chloroform can make surfaces slippery and can cause headaches when people wake up from it's effects

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Impossible, the police already found the Golf Club the culprit used for beating the victim to death.

[doitsu]

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I'd be mighty surprised if Sera was talking to anyone but Heiji

[Pmofmalasia]

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I think Sera could be talking about Conan. Maybe she sent the pictures she took to someone else, let's say her mother for now, who was with her when she met Shinichi in the past. She could be confirming her theory by having her mother compare old and new photos of Shinichi

[mihai]

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I think Sera could be talking about Conan. Maybe she sent the pictures she took to someone else, let's say her mother for now, who was with her when she met Shinichi in the past. She could be confirming her theory by having her mother compare old and new photos of Shinichi

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interesting, but I thought Sera took Conan's picture with her camera, not her phone. Not to mention that if Conan were just Conan, he wouldn't ask Sera if they met/knew each other before. It could be her trying to verify that Conan is Shinichi, but she already knows that, I think.
So, if that was about Conan being Shinichi, she either called Shuu-nii or her mom and if it's about the case it's Shuuichi(Subaru) again. But I find it odd that she'd call her brother if it's about the case, she can talk with Conan about that since she doesn't have heiji's pride of wanting to be better than Shinichi.

[Jecka]

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I'd be mighty surprised if Sera was talking to anyone but Heiji

You and I think similarly.

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I was thinking "Hey what if it's Heiji?" but the only problem I have is that it feels a bit too much like that case when Heiji was giving hints to the DB :V

[Kiichi]

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You know I think it's Yusaku she's talking with and Sera isn't a good detective in reality because she said she has known Shinichi for years... And people tend to ask the questions from Yusaku
Or maybe Sera is a good detective and the confirmation for deduction she's asking is about how she knows that Subaru is Shuu/someone related and is talking with Subaru on phone?
Atleast she's doing detective work...

Anyone know yet why the chloroform was in the bathroom?

[Yottas]

Possible Solution

Spoiler:

Waka was alive as Ran saw her, she thought that Waka was dead because of the red paint on waka's head. She couldn't look closer because she passes out because of the chloroform. After that, Waka was beaten to death and the chloroform was put into the kitchen sink, the golf club was put into the kitchen.
@ Shower head: Is turned away from corpse so that the red paint isn't washed up.
Also, murderer met with Waka after her shower as she makeup, she couldn't see who it was because she was not wearing glasses or contact lenses.
Ran was on the right side of the flat, so she couldn't see what was going on on the veranda, living room (murder weapon) and kitchen (chloroform).
The only thing i don't know about is that talk about head and tails...

Who was Sera talking to:

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I think she talked to Eri...

Yottas

[mihai]

talking to Yusaku, huh? I thought he was supposed to be in America and always busy with work. And it doesn't seem like she is talking to an adult. Talking to her brother seems closer since I don't know if she has Heiji's phone number. But I still don't get it why she had to anyone else about her deduction when Conan is there.

As for the victim(Waka), she seems to have been killed while she was awake since she had time to put on that beauty mask that Yokomizo partially peeled off. Also the fact that she had one eye open is very important and it's either a dieing message or a result of how the victim was killed. I'm not sure about the chloroform though, but that and Rumi's numb had when she wanted to take the key from her bf are important as well.

@Yottas: agree about the shower head, Conan or the detectives will find paint under the blood(probably) and confirm how and when Waka was killed. That way Rumi would be suspicious since she was already there and where the murder weapon was, but it's kinda difficult to kill Waka when Ran already fainted on top of her. Also, if Waka was killed after Ran fainted, the 2 guys are not suspects because Conan was with them.

[Yottas]

@Yottas: agree about the shower head, Conan or the detectives will find paint under the blood(probably) and confirm how and when Waka was killed. That way Rumi would be suspicious since she was already there and where the murder weapon was, but it's kinda difficult to kill Waka when Ran already fainted on top of her. Also, if Waka was killed after Ran fainted, the 2 guys are not suspects because Conan was with them.

That's why the thing about the coins is important...

Spoiler:

I think the coin(s) could be used to either fake to open the door or to fake the door was closed.

Yottas