Water Demon Drowning Case (719-721?): Vote for the culprit!

[bluekaitou1412]

Anyone noticed a slight change on the art style?

Or am I the last to notice?

[Schillok]

I was thinking how to sedate the innkeeper without leaving a forensic clue (aka sleeping pills or choking) and realized that the sneaking-up-behind-with-the-rag-of-chloroform trick would work (at least by DC rules anyway). Any small container could have been used to hold it and then that person later would have washed the chloroform down the sink.

Yeah, the trick used for sedating the victim is still quite mysterious. Because if it is as we assume - either that the water was brought in using several containers, or being rediluted in the room - would still require a lot of time. The father could have been only killed in the antic (the smell would have been noticeable in the inn, since the water was used to drown him and was spilled inside that room), there is no sleeping place there so he was awake and despite how old he was he would have heard and smelled if anyone prepared the water bucket.
Maybe chloroform. Might it have been stored in the white container?

The kappa theory and the ideas about the incident 10 years ago make sense. The boy might have dressed up as Kappa (encouraged/forced by his father) to attract customers. Then the father panicked when his son drowned and removed the costume.
However... Kappas are green, right? I think the stain on the shoe is still from 10 years ago: water-proof paint of the costume of the boy.


Because one thing that bothers me with the "16*15 mLs = 240mLs & 9*60 mLs = 560 mLs"- theory is where the paint was stored in the meanwhile. Sure, it might be water-soluable paint that was placed inside the bottles after the murderer. But where did he store them before?
I assume they are very different colors - though I can't prove it because of the black-and-white manga. He had to be careful so they didn't mix when they were stored in their dry/powder state. He couldn't possibly store all 25 (no, actually 26) colors in the white box without mixing them. And anywhere else they would have gotten wet when he felt into the river.
On the other hand... after looking at the content of the bag of the artist in chapter 1 it seems like the squirt bottle was empty. If the hells pond is really 10km away from the inn he must have had the water with him at that time already. 20km by foot for traveling back and forth to get the water aterwards doesn't sound reasonable. (It would be much more likely that the murderer had a real canister full of the water hidden somewhere near the inn, retrieved it at night and brought it deep into the woods after filling the bucket. But even that seems unrealistic)). That would mean we would have to look for a completely different way to do it...
[New theory: concentrated Hells-Pond water in one of the bottles -> Rediluting with the squirt bottle in the antic -> killing victim, spilling water -> using two (or more) other colors to mix a new paint and fill it in the empty bottle.]

Yeah, I still think it was the ex-teacher/artist.

[sstimson]

Let me ask a very simple question to hopefully End the son is the Kappa. Are there more that one Kappa costume? Remember the first one showed up around 11 YEARS AGO. If there is only one costume then the same person needed to wear it both 11 Years ago and now. That person seems to be the Dad.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

However... Kappas are green, right? I think the stain on the shoe is still from 10 years ago: water-proof paint of the costume of the boy.

I'm pretty sure it's from Tokubi's watercolors.

Because one thing that bothers me with the "16*15 mLs = 240mLs & 9*60 mLs = 560 mLs"- theory is where the paint was stored in the meanwhile. Sure, it might be water-soluable paint that was placed inside the bottles after the murderer. But where did he store them before?
I assume they are very different colors - though I can't prove it because of the black-and-white manga. He had to be careful so they didn't mix when they were stored in their dry/powder state. He couldn't possibly store all 25 (no, actually 26) colors in the white box without mixing them. And anywhere else they would have gotten wet when he felt into the river.

Watercolor solids are often sold as tablets or blocks instead of powders. The colors wouldn't mix. I'm guessing Tokubi put the paint in a plastic bag and left it in his satchel. He didn't take the shoe out of his bag after he fell in the river as that would have been a neon "I'm guilty!" sign, so it is reasonable that if he could hide a shoe, he could also hide the paint in the same place. The green stains on the shoe could be a result of stuffing the bag of watercolor solids inside the shoe for storage, but a small hole in the bag allowed water and a green solid to come into contact which spotted the inside of the shoe. Another possibility would be if Tokubi contacted the shoe while he still had some paint on his fingers from the mixing before he drowned Banzo.

On the other hand... after looking at the content of the bag of the artist in chapter 1 it seems like the squirt bottle was empty. If the hells pond is really 10km away from the inn he must have had the water with him at that time already. 20km by foot for traveling back and forth to get the water aterwards doesn't sound reasonable. (It would be much more likely that the murderer had a real canister full of the water hidden somewhere near the inn, retrieved it at night and brought it deep into the woods after filling the bucket. But even that seems unrealistic)).

The Ryokon employees said the only one suspect, Nohira Bousuke, left the Ryokon after Kogoro arrived with the other two suspects in his car. I don't know if that is Gosho's way of saying the other two didn't leave or if it still leaves open he possibility of sneaking out.

Let me ask a very simple question to hopefully End the son is the Kappa. Are there more that one Kappa costume? Remember the first one showed up around 11 YEARS AGO. If there is only one costume then the same person needed to wear it both 11 Years ago and now. That person seems to be the Dad.

Unless the current Kappa was Nohira Bousuke wearing his backpack, a raincoat/nightwatchmen's cap, and his face mask who was trying to dig up the gravesite to look for evidence related to the case from 11 years ago... Also your theory doesn't explain why the son would be out in the creek in the middle of winter, in the rain, wearing the skimpiest swimsuit a boy could wear but, strangely, also brought some shoes. If the boy was just looking for the kappa, wouldn't he dress a little more warmly?

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Meh, I botched more details than usual during this case. I feel like I misled people with my poor theorizing. I'll have to try harder next week. I was thinking though, it would be a wild turn of events if Yamamura figured out that Conan was darting him. Yamamura Misao would not be smart enough to connect Conan to Shinichi, but it would be hilarious if he found out that Conan was up to something and was the brains behind Kogoro. I wonder if Yamamura could keep a secret? ...probably not. Maybe we will get a plot case next since someone in another thread pointed out that Yamamura frequently shows up around the time the main storyline does. Gosho did take a break recently...

[Abs.]

I was thinking though, it would be a wild turn of events if Yamamura figured out that Conan was darting him. Yamamura Misao would not be smart enough to connect Conan to Shinichi, but it would be hilarious if he found out that Conan was up to something and was the brains behind Kogoro. I wonder if Yamamura could keep a secret? ...probably not. Maybe we will get a plot case next since someone in another thread pointed out that Yamamura frequently shows up around the time the main storyline does. Gosho did take a break recently...

You would think that it would be important that Yamamura has damning "evidence" from Yukiko that Conan was Yukiko's (second) son...  

[Schillok]

Well, at least I got a few things right.  And of course missed a few things (never considered the droppers and didn't even consider if the paint should be diluted when coming out of the bottle or not). And was completely wrong with some others.
Still, when I look at the first chapter again the squirting bottle IS empty. Or at least not containing muddy water.

Yamamura is just too naive to be a thread to Yukikos secret (that Conan is her child). And even if he knew when he would try to tell anyone he would just mix in that many in-understandable things and theories that noone would believ him. 

[kirite]

Anyone noticed a slight change on the art style?

Or am I the last to notice?

The art style is always changing this manga is lonnnngggg afterall

If you mean an art style change from the last chapter to this chapter then I don't notice.

[bluekaitou1412]

Anyone noticed a slight change on the art style?

Or am I the last to notice?

The art style is always changing this manga is lonnnngggg afterall

If you mean an art style change from the last chapter to this chapter then I don't notice.

Chapter 720?

I really think Conan's face is weird in here:
http://www.onemanga.com/Detective_Conan/720/01/

Ran:
http://www.onemanga.com/Detective_Conan/720/04/

And Kogoro too (first and second panel):
http://www.onemanga.com/Detective_Conan/720/03/

Eh, maybe it's just me.

[mangaluva]

It's not just you, there is a noticeable shift in the art style... Actually, I was thinking it was just me, and just because at the moment i'm rereading some of the older volumes ATM, so if you've just been reading volume 4 and then look on DCTP... Does anyone else ever do that? Compare the earliest art styles of a manga against the latest chapter and go "wow"?

[Boxcar Children]

It's not just you, there is a noticeable shift in the art style... Actually, I was thinking it was just me, and just because at the moment i'm rereading some of the older volumes ATM, so if you've just been reading volume 4 and then look on DCTP... Does anyone else ever do that? Compare the earliest art styles of a manga against the latest chapter and go "wow"?

ya Rans hair use to look different. she dident have the cone

[Abs.]

It's not just you, there is a noticeable shift in the art style... Actually, I was thinking it was just me, and just because at the moment i'm rereading some of the older volumes ATM, so if you've just been reading volume 4 and then look on DCTP... Does anyone else ever do that? Compare the earliest art styles of a manga against the latest chapter and go "wow"?

ya Rans hair use to look different. she dident have the cone

Cone, therefore ≠ Aoko




Or maybe...  IT'S A CLUE!?!?!??!?!?!11111111questionmark

[mangaluva]

It's not just you, there is a noticeable shift in the art style... Actually, I was thinking it was just me, and just because at the moment i'm rereading some of the older volumes ATM, so if you've just been reading volume 4 and then look on DCTP... Does anyone else ever do that? Compare the earliest art styles of a manga against the latest chapter and go "wow"?

ya Rans hair use to look different. she dident have the cone

Cone, therefore ≠ Aoko




Or maybe...  IT'S A CLUE!?!?!??!?!?!11111111questionmark

I think it's evolved as a self-defence mechanism against all of the murderers they keep coming across.

It's not just Ran who's changing, I think all these murders have been stressing poor Megure-keibu. He's been putting on weight.

[GinRei]

Stress usually causes people to lose weight.

[mangaluva]

Not if they comfort eat.