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What is Sera Masumi's identity

Akai's sister (someone else)
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Akai's sister (FBI, CIA, or other law enforcement)
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11%
Akai's sister (Black Org agent)
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1%
Akai's sister and Bourbon
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3%
Akai's sister (someone else)
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4%
Bourbon
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Black Org Agent (new)
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Black Org Agent (known one in disguise)
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Sister of Black Organization member (not counting Akai)
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FBI
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CIA
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Other agency (Interpol, PSIA, MI6...)
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New or rival Organization
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Known character in disguise
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Relative of other known character not mentioned above
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non-BO freelance assassin
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High school girl only
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Someone else
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Incomplete-tantei wrote: Hard for her to remember when she was 10 max? Well, Shinichi and Ran seem to remember things/whole stories that happened to them when they were 7... xD
Don't underestimate 10 year olds XD I think if I was 10, and I rarely saw my brother, I would definitely remember things like his hats :x

Another thing I'm curious about is why Sera was so interested in meeting Amuro. It might have been just for suspiciousness but she kinda has no reason too.. same goes for Amuro's 'Why here' thing.
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Pmofmalasia wrote: and it would be hard for her to remember something from when she was only 10 max....
@Nix : It's the opposite, I'm not uderstimating them, I think they would even remember things that happened before 10 years old like Ran and Shinichi. When I said "Hard for her to remember...?" I was sort of quoting Pmofmalasia.

About Sera interested in Amuro it may be that she likes him, remember when she blushed when she said to Ran & Sonoko she wanted to meet him? http://www.mangareader.net/detective-conan/801/5

As for Amuro's "Why here?" it could meant that he realized she strangely looked like Akai and thought "Akai's relative? Why here?"
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Incomplete-tantei wrote:
Pmofmalasia wrote: and it would be hard for her to remember something from when she was only 10 max....
@Nix : It's the opposite, I'm not uderstimating them, I think they would even remember things that happened before 10 years old like Ran and Shinichi. When I said "Hard for her to remember...?" I was sort of quoting Pmofmalasia.

About Sera interested in Amuro it may be that she likes him, remember when she blushed when she said to Ran & Sonoko she wanted to meet him? http://www.mangareader.net/detective-conan/801/5

As for Amuro's "Why here?" it could meant that he realized she strangely looked like Akai and thought "Akai's relative? Why here?"



Oh sorry, I was actually kind of making a general remark, you know, never underestimate 10 year olds XD I was actually agreeing ;)

And... Sera liking Amuro... ::) interesting point
And Amuro's statement, I guess you have a point. They are identical anyway. Could it be that Amuro knows about Sera? Since he was BO long enough to know Elena so...
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Well Haibara explain well Conan was now high prolific kid in media world. I think it's prologue to Sera's story in DC. If she knows him but he do not over the case of mermaid, I'm leaning thinking she knows him as Shinichi as she could be the crowd in first arc of story.

I don't think Sera likes Amuro, after that incident in train I think she change her mind.
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Incomplete-tantei wrote:
Pmofmalasia wrote: and it would be hard for her to remember something from when she was only 10 max....
@Nix : It's the opposite, I'm not uderstimating them, I think they would even remember things that happened before 10 years old like Ran and Shinichi. When I said "Hard for her to remember...?" I was sort of quoting Pmofmalasia.

About Sera interested in Amuro it may be that she likes him, remember when she blushed when she said to Ran & Sonoko she wanted to meet him? http://www.mangareader.net/detective-conan/801/5

As for Amuro's "Why here?" it could meant that he realized she strangely looked like Akai and thought "Akai's relative? Why here?"



I can't remember. Did Sera and Amuro meet each other yet? Like, speaking with each other? Or just seeing each other?
Just a question XD My brain is failing me at the moment :V
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Kleene Onigiri wrote:
Incomplete-tantei wrote:
Pmofmalasia wrote: and it would be hard for her to remember something from when she was only 10 max....
@Nix : It's the opposite, I'm not uderstimating them, I think they would even remember things that happened before 10 years old like Ran and Shinichi. When I said "Hard for her to remember...?" I was sort of quoting Pmofmalasia.

About Sera interested in Amuro it may be that she likes him, remember when she blushed when she said to Ran & Sonoko she wanted to meet him? http://www.mangareader.net/detective-conan/801/5

As for Amuro's "Why here?" it could meant that he realized she strangely looked like Akai and thought "Akai's relative? Why here?"



I can't remember. Did Sera and Amuro meet each other yet? Like, speaking with each other? Or just seeing each other?
Just a question XD My brain is failing me at the moment :V
They did. Amuro being anonymous to her. The arc in train.
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Kleene Onigiri wrote:
Incomplete-tantei wrote:
Pmofmalasia wrote: and it would be hard for her to remember something from when she was only 10 max....
@Nix : It's the opposite, I'm not uderstimating them, I think they would even remember things that happened before 10 years old like Ran and Shinichi. When I said "Hard for her to remember...?" I was sort of quoting Pmofmalasia.

About Sera interested in Amuro it may be that she likes him, remember when she blushed when she said to Ran & Sonoko she wanted to meet him? http://www.mangareader.net/detective-conan/801/5

As for Amuro's "Why here?" it could meant that he realized she strangely looked like Akai and thought "Akai's relative? Why here?"



I can't remember. Did Sera and Amuro meet each other yet? Like, speaking with each other? Or just seeing each other?
Just a question XD My brain is failing me at the moment :V
Well Amuro and Sera didn't meet.. but they have at least seen each other's face. I suppose Sera saw briefly Amuro at the end of the case when Conan was abducted. But that may be all...

@Sato : They didn't, Scar Akai was Vermouth in the Mystery Train case.
Sato wrote: I don't think Sera likes Amuro, after that incident in train I think she change her mind.
Sera has no idea who Amuro really is. She was asleep all the remaining time after Vermouth stunned gun her. So she didn't/couldn't hear when Amuro revealed himself etc...

That is why I hope the plot will move on to itself soon so Conan can tell her about Amuro being a "dangerous" guy. --"
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Something that just occurred to me: being placed in the Witness Protection program warrants a certain level of danger, as in active. Personally, I'm not sure if they would place Akai's family in it just because he went undercover. Up until his cover was blown, there was no evidence that the BO suspected him. (Honestly, the BO seems strangely inefficient on background checks given how concise and careful they usually are.) As such, I think it's likely that they would be placed in the WP after Akai's cover was blown, since there would be a high chance of retribution from the BO. However, even if this was done within an hour, the BO could probably manage to find out the rest of Akai's family, including some pictures of Masumi. Amuro would likely take heavy notice of this, since he's so obsessed with Akai, which is how he recognized her. Although, I don't think he's the kind of guy to kill people close to his enemies. I think he'd consider that kind of thing to be a bit of a cheap shot.

However, to be honest, I have serious doubts about the entire WP theory. I don't think they would let someone in it go all the way to Japan, where her brother died, and where the very people they're protecting her from are based. Even if it was SOMEHOW deemed safe by the government for the family to leave the program, I don't think they'd let her go alone. Hell, her parents alone would raise giant objections of EPIC proportions. Even if they didn't know the full story, they'd have to know SOMETHING about why they were placed in the program. Just a generic "your son's cover was blown on an undercover mission in a very dangerous organization" would be enough to give them an idea of the danger. If she were to somehow hop a plane to Japan without their knowledge—especially AFTER their son got killed—they'd probably alert the government or some agent they know, and have her brought straight home. Also, transferring into a new school would undoubtedly require her parents' signatures or some other form of approval/consent. All in all, the WP just seems a bit too far-fetched for me. ...Unless her parents are absolute idiots (who pretty much miraculously gave birth to not one, but two geniuses) or just don't care about their kids at all. ...Which could account for why she's so close to her loving older brother despite rarely seeing him. :P But then again, that could work without adding in the WP.

Anyways, long story short, I just don't buy the WP idea because there's too many logic flaws. There was probably something done to protect the family, but just... I don't see the government letting her go to Japan so soon after her brother's death.

Also, I do have an idea for why she might know so much about Conan: she might be a fan girl. We've already seen one person blow a picture of him to poster-size, so why not have others? They could have met years ago at some beach-based case (thus why Ran associates her with the ocean), and the result of seeing him solve the case would leave a deep impression on her, leading her to follow his exploits. If it happened when they were kids, she would have a strong memory of Shinichi as a kid, since that would be the only time they met, and with her detective skills, this would make it even easier for her to recognize Conan as Shinichi. And Japanese fan girls do have a certain reputation...

EDIT: Actually, the more I think about that last part, the more sense it makes. It explains why she's following him so much and lets him work with her as an equal. She's getting to live every fangirl's dream.
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Let me preface the following by saying that I'm not totally convinced on the WP thing either, but I think I should still offer up some points to defend the theory, as it's still possible.

For your first point, I think it's possible that his family was put into WP preemptively, since he was getting into a very dangerous organization, and like you said his family may be found out very soon after Akai is discovered.  This is especially possible since the BO is notorious for killing entire families, just to be safe.  The family of the man from the Pisco case is an example of this, iirc.

As for your second point, Sera does say that she rebelled against her parents when returning to Japan, so even though they probably did object, she still went.  She probably underplayed this rebellion, since we must consider that she was talking to Ran at the time.  As for how it worked with WP, I'm not totally sure how it works, but I believe that it's completely voluntary and they can't really force her not to go to Japan.  Therefore they can't flag her passport or anything.  So it's entirely possible that she saved up a bunch of money for a plane ride back to Japan (people as young as 16 are allowed to fly alone in America, this I know from experience), especially since she doesn't come to Japan for a while after Akai's death.  Also, it would explain why she's staying in a hotel and not with a family friend or something.  This doesn't prove that it's WP, since she did say she was rebelling against her parents and they could have told them not to let Sera stay with them.

As for your last paragraph....
Pmofmalasia wrote: After completely rereading Sera's intro case, I was reminded that when she's setting up the trick she asks if where she's putting the wheelchair is a good spot.  Conan, through Shinichi, replies that he's not there so he would have no way of knowing, but I think she was trying to trick him into revealing that he was actually at the crime scene - http://www.dctp.ws/V73-Reader/V73-8Read/A11.html

She obviously knows that Conan is solving the crimes himself, don't really need examples for that.  This knowledge may have, as I said earlier, come from Akai telling her about Conan.  Now, I just remembered that during the Cold Case files Sera says that she used to read the Night Baron books all the time when she was a kid.  Well, around that time Shinichi's dad also happened to be bringing Shinichi around to crime scenes.  I'm sure this was reported in the news somewhere, and if Sera was such a fan that she read about Yuusaku's real life cases as well she would know about Shinichi.  If you were little Sera reading about another kid being allowed to go to a crime scene, you would look up to them, since they get to do what you've always wanted (solve mysteries) and he's just a kid so that gives you hope that you could do it too, right?  So I think maybe Sera saw young Shinichi as something of a role model.  This, then, would explain why she's known for a long time that Shinichi was a Holmes fan, and explain even more why she's so attached to him - imagine saving the life of the person that you look up to!

The only thing I can think of that may refute this is that Sera doesn't seem to know about the one case that Yuusaku 'gave up on'.  While Ran also tells her that Yuusaku used to consult on cases, IMO this actually strengthens my theory, since Ran provides this information without prompting from Sera, and Sera never seems to indicate that she thinks it's odd that a writer would be helping solve crimes.

So, considering the theory that Sera received the picture of the DB from Akai's personal effects, if said theory is true then Sera would have immediately recognized Shinichi and began investigating, and the clues that she would find are relatively obvious and I'm too lazy to type any more so I won't list them :P
Hooray, somebody finally agrees with me! \o/

EDIT: I should add in that I posted this before Conan's question was known, so now that we know they met I'd say that they probably met at one of Yuusaku's book signings, however that doesn't really have anything to do with the ocean.  Can't really say much about that.
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I would like to point out that some of this requires assuming Sera is indeed high school age.  She doesn't have to be, and it certainly wouldn't be the first time we've seen someone pose as a teenager.  As for the parent-rebellion-thing, if she's posing as a high schooler, talking about her parents makes it more plausible.  She could still be in WP, but I agree that it doesn't necessarily seem likely.  Maybe she was in it, but got kicked out when she decided to go to Japan because her brother died?
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Can she got kicked out like that just because she left the country? Dunno.

@Pmofmalasia : Your theory about Sera meeting Kudo in one of Yuusaku's signing books seems logic. That would explain why Sera smiled so joyfully when Conan asked the question. Interesting ^^
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Commi-Ninja wrote: I would like to point out that some of this requires assuming Sera is indeed high school age.  She doesn't have to be, and it certainly wouldn't be the first time we've seen someone pose as a teenager.  As for the parent-rebellion-thing, if she's posing as a high schooler, talking about her parents makes it more plausible.  She could still be in WP, but I agree that it doesn't necessarily seem likely.  Maybe she was in it, but got kicked out when she decided to go to Japan because her brother died?
Perhaps that would explain why she's so insistent about talking about her small breasts, it just makes her seem younger, even if she knows that she's already finished with puberty... Not totally convinced on her false age, this is just circumstantial, but it would make sense.

I feel so dirty using that as a clue :-X

I don't think she would have been kicked out though, they probably would have just said, "That's dangerous don't do that" and then she would have been all like, "No." and left.  Probably keeping the alias for convenience.
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Just adding in my 2 cents...

If Sera, Conan and Ran really share some past or childhood memory, and Sera is related to Akai, it's possible that the Kudo family is more closely related to the FBI and BO than previously thought. I mean, we already know how Shinichi's mother sometimes helps bring down the BO where Vermouth is related, but if the Akais and Kudos had close interactions in the past it would definitely lead to something interesting. That's also probably why Gosho said that Sera is such an important character, though it's in a relatively indirect way...
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Yeah, Yuusaku mentions having connections in Interpol at the end of that case where he, Yukiko, and Agasa kidnap Conan.  I know Interpol =/= FBI, but if he has connections in Interpol then it's possible that he has some in the FBI too.  Plus that was very early in the series, so Gosho may have decided to swap organizations from Interpol to the FBI at some point.
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Pmofmalasia wrote: Yeah, Yuusaku mentions having connections in Interpol at the end of that case where he, Yukiko, and Agasa kidnap Conan.  I know Interpol =/= FBI, but if he has connections in Interpol then it's possible that he has some in the FBI too.  Plus that was very early in the series, so Gosho may have decided to swap organizations from Interpol to the FBI at some point.
He may have even been "handed over". As far as I recall, the only reason why the FBI, which acts mostly internally got into Japan were Vermouth's hijinks in America. So, you have an internationally acting criminal based in Japan who has commited crimes on american soil, so you go to Interpol to gather data. Interpol refers you to (one of) their japanese contact, Yuusaku.
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