*SPOILER FREE* Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 844-

[Fennec]

Hey guys, the last two files are out! Except... They don't seem to show up on the front page right now.

Anyways, here's the link to 845 and to file 846.

[Bloody Haven]

Just read the new releases. They have met before? That's an interesting twist. I wonder where can that be.. Maybe I should start rereading cases where the ocean's involved.

[aly_angelflight]

Just read the new releases. They have met before? That's an interesting twist. I wonder where can that be.. Maybe I should start rereading cases where the ocean's involved.

I'm of the opinion it was a long time ago, while Conan was still Shinichi... ^^;

[Bloody Haven]

Just read the new releases. They have met before? That's an interesting twist. I wonder where can that be.. Maybe I should start rereading cases where the ocean's involved.

I'm of the opinion it was a long time ago, while Conan was still Shinichi... ^^;

If they had met while Conan was still Shinichi, why did he bring it up now? Wouldn't that expose him as being Shinichi?

[Akonyl]

well I'll be, it was that question after all :V

Just read the new releases. They have met before? That's an interesting twist. I wonder where can that be.. Maybe I should start rereading cases where the ocean's involved.

I'm of the opinion it was a long time ago, while Conan was still Shinichi... ^^;

If they had met while Conan was still Shinichi, why did he bring it up now? Wouldn't that expose him as being Shinichi?

because if he knew they met when he was Shinichi, then he wouldn't have to ask the question, would he?

[Pmofmalasia]

well I'll be, it was that question after all :V

Just read the new releases. They have met before? That's an interesting twist. I wonder where can that be.. Maybe I should start rereading cases where the ocean's involved.

I'm of the opinion it was a long time ago, while Conan was still Shinichi... ^^;

If they had met while Conan was still Shinichi, why did he bring it up now? Wouldn't that expose him as being Shinichi?

because if he knew they met when he was Shinichi, then he wouldn't have to ask the question, would he?

Well it seems like he remembers her as a certain person, if the tooth is an identifying factor then he must have someone in mind that he thinks Sera is.  And since we've seen everything since Conan existed, it must not be from while he's Conan, unless there's something huge that everyone's missed.  Plus, it would be absurd for him, a master detective who remembers the most minute details, not to recognize her if he met her in the past year or so (because technically that's how long it's been >_<).

Now, because I'm lazy, this is how I think Conan knows Sera copied from the other discussion thread:

After completely rereading Sera's intro case, I was reminded that when she's setting up the trick she asks if where she's putting the wheelchair is a good spot.  Conan, through Shinichi, replies that he's not there so he would have no way of knowing, but I think she was trying to trick him into revealing that he was actually at the crime scene - http://www.dctp.ws/V73-Reader/V73-8Read/A11.html

She obviously knows that Conan is solving the crimes himself, don't really need examples for that.  This knowledge may have, as I said earlier, come from Akai telling her about Conan.  Now, I just remembered that during the Cold Case files Sera says that she used to read the Night Baron books all the time when she was a kid.  Well, around that time Shinichi's dad also happened to be bringing Shinichi around to crime scenes.  I'm sure this was reported in the news somewhere, and if Sera was such a fan that she read about Yuusaku's real life cases as well she would know about Shinichi.  If you were little Sera reading about another kid being allowed to go to a crime scene, you would look up to them, since they get to do what you've always wanted (solve mysteries) and he's just a kid so that gives you hope that you could do it too, right?  So I think maybe Sera saw young Shinichi as something of a role model.  This, then, would explain why she's known for a long time that Shinichi was a Holmes fan, and explain even more why she's so attached to him - imagine saving the life of the person that you look up to!

The only thing I can think of that may refute this is that Sera doesn't seem to know about the one case that Yuusaku 'gave up on'.  While Ran also tells her that Yuusaku used to consult on cases, IMO this actually strengthens my theory, since Ran provides this information without prompting from Sera, and Sera never seems to indicate that she thinks it's odd that a writer would be helping solve crimes.

So, considering the theory that Sera received the picture of the DB from Akai's personal effects, if said theory is true then Sera would have immediately recognized Shinichi and began investigating, and the clues that she would find are relatively obvious and I'm too lazy to type any more so I won't list them

I didn't mention anything about him meeting her here, but it could be from something related to Yuusaku, like a book signing or something that Shinichi tagged along at.

Also, he probably doesn't mind exposing himself as Shinichi, because I think he knows that she knows who he is.

[Akonyl]

Well it seems like he remembers her as a certain person, if the tooth is an identifying factor then he must have someone in mind that he thinks Sera is.  And since we've seen everything since Conan existed, it must not be from while he's Conan, unless there's something huge that everyone's missed.  Plus, it would be absurd for him, a master detective who remembers the most minute details, not to recognize her if he met her in the past year or so (because technically that's how long it's been >_<).

I doubt he's thinking "that tooth reminds me of a certain person" and more "that tooth is reaally familiar", or else rather than "have we met before" he'd probably have been more straightforward with the question, asking if she was who he thought she was. Especially since even in his inner monologues he doesn't say something like "she reminds me of a certain person", just that that smile definitely rings a bell.

and saying "in the past year or so" is kinda silly because you're trying to fit DC on a strict timeline. Timelines in long-running fiction, especially when it wasn't planned to be a long-running thing, are often stuck in limbo like DC is, and to attempt to put them into a strict timeline is kind of a futile endeavor.

[Pmofmalasia]

Well it seems like he remembers her as a certain person, if the tooth is an identifying factor then he must have someone in mind that he thinks Sera is.  And since we've seen everything since Conan existed, it must not be from while he's Conan, unless there's something huge that everyone's missed.  Plus, it would be absurd for him, a master detective who remembers the most minute details, not to recognize her if he met her in the past year or so (because technically that's how long it's been >_<).

I doubt he's thinking "that tooth reminds me of a certain person" and more "that tooth is reaally familiar", or else rather than "have we met before" he'd probably have been more straightforward with the question, asking if she was who he thought she was. Especially since even in his inner monologues he doesn't say something like "she reminds me of a certain person", just that that smile definitely rings a bell.

and saying "in the past year or so" is kinda silly because you're trying to fit DC on a strict timeline. Timelines in long-running fiction, especially when it wasn't planned to be a long-running thing, are often stuck in limbo like DC is, and to attempt to put them into a strict timeline is kind of a futile endeavor.

Definitely agreed on the timeline thing, but it was just meant to say that I don't think the time that he's supposed to have been Conan for is long enough for him to forget her.

As for the smile, even if it doesn't remind him of a certain person, I think he'd know whether the tooth reminded him of someone that he met as Shinichi or Conan.  That's what I was trying to say there, but I said it in an odd way .  I think it's still possible that he knows exactly who she is, since asking in a roundabout way seems pretty common in this series (plus if he does it this way, then Gosho keeps the "Who is Sera?" question more mysterious ), but like you said it's not for sure.

[Kleene Onigiri]

Hmm interesting :V

Btw. isn't Conan exposing himself with that question "have we met before"? Considering he's supposed to be ~7 as Conan, wouldn't "before" mean also mean years before? So like, when he was theoretically 3-5 or even younger? Like a small child could even remember someone then? :x

[Nix]

Just sayin, Conan's memory is a bit..  He couldn't recall who Hirota Masami was.. ahem, anyways, I'm going to be really pissed if Conan saw her only a year ago, because that's.. unrealistic.

Hmm interesting :V

Btw. isn't Conan exposing himself with that question "have we met before"? Considering he's supposed to be ~7 as Conan, wouldn't "before" mean also mean years before? So like, when he was theoretically 3-5 or even younger? Like a small child could even remember someone then? :x

Conan probably knows Sera knows that Conan = Shinichi because, like pmof said, that intro case had Sera trying and failing to trick Conan into revealing himself. And now after this case, we know that what Conan was saying in the file after intro, was not just only because she is Akai's sis, but also because they have met before

So now the question becomes... Who is Sera??? 

[blurfbreg]

Crack theory:
Akai is actually Yusaku's protege (in becoming a detective) around the time Conan learned to surf and drive helicopters in Hawaii. Hence the waves. And how Sera and Conan met before. I can't figure out what the mystery was that brought them together. Although, I don't know how this would explain Ran and Sera, since that would be Ran's experience of Shinichi's first case, and not the airplane case.

[aly_angelflight]

Oh, look, another "In Hawaii!" joke. Just as I predicted would happen...

Some of us on the spoiler side of things have been speculating that Conan has met Akai, too, before from his reaction to something Akai said back during the Kir arc, so everything but the Hawaii part might not so cracky after all.

[Kleene Onigiri]

Just sayin, Conan's memory is a bit..  He couldn't recall who Hirota Masami was.. ahem, anyways, I'm going to be really pissed if Conan saw her only a year ago, because that's.. unrealistic.

Hmm interesting :V

Btw. isn't Conan exposing himself with that question "have we met before"? Considering he's supposed to be ~7 as Conan, wouldn't "before" mean also mean years before? So like, when he was theoretically 3-5 or even younger? Like a small child could even remember someone then? :x

Conan probably knows Sera knows that Conan = Shinichi because, like pmof said, that intro case had Sera trying and failing to trick Conan into revealing himself. And now after this case, we know that what Conan was saying in the file after intro, was not just only because she is Akai's sis, but also because they have met before

So now the question becomes... Who is Sera??? 

@intro case: But Conan was still trying to "keep his secret" from sera after the intro case, you can see that when Hatori was around and other cases.

[Nix]

@intro case: But Conan was still trying to "keep his secret" from sera after the intro case, you can see that when Hatori was around and other cases.

He could have just been keeping his distance, I mean, you can't trust a person completely just from a hunch. But now in this case, he's thought about his memories of Sera in the past, so after collecting his thoughts, he's convinced that it's safe to trust her now, I guess :-/

[Atraos]

Considering, that Conan seems to have gotten the hunch that he knows her from before just recently: Couldn't it be that whatever it is  that connects them assured him that he could trust her enough to make such a bold move?

The more interesting question now would be: What could this connection be?