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Commi-Ninja wrote: and everyone thought he was just a really smart and quiet guy.
Everything I've read/heard has said that most people, other than close friends, thought he was weird, paranoid, and unsociable.  His mother was apparently even worried about his mental state, and his brother had flat out stated he had issues many times before.
And yet, he was allowed to own a gun :/
I heard that it was his mum's (which even if this is the case he managed to get hold of *way* too easily). Seriously though, I think his mental issues should've been supported a long time before they reached this stage :|.
yeah, iirc he'd even tried to get a gun himself but was denied because he was a crazy.
Stop's right and Ako too :P
He couldn't get one so he got one of his mom's (who, iirc, had four fire arms...?) and went to the school.
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D: So many people have colds!!! *rushes about attempting to put together things to make sick people feel better*
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The Case of the Midnight Channel
"When a strange letter summons the Mouri family to Inaba, Ran is expecting a case. She's not expecting it to involve the TV, though.
If Naoto investigated everyone who came to visit Inaba, she'd have little time for real cases. When Yukiko reports that the Midnight Channel is back, however, she starts to wonder if the visitors are connected. Especially when the image clears, unveiling yet another mystery."

Short version: I'm taking various DC/MK characters to Inaba (where Persona 4 takes place) and dropping them through the TV to face their Shadows!
Cross-posted:Case of the Midnight Channel at Archive of our Own.
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nomemory wrote: I slept so badly tonight I wonder if I got any sleep whatsoever. And my coldsymptoms are getting worse.
D: *hugs nom*
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Jecka wrote:
Akonyl wrote:
Stopwatch wrote:
mangaluva wrote:
GinRei wrote:
Commi-Ninja wrote: and everyone thought he was just a really smart and quiet guy.
Everything I've read/heard has said that most people, other than close friends, thought he was weird, paranoid, and unsociable.  His mother was apparently even worried about his mental state, and his brother had flat out stated he had issues many times before.
And yet, he was allowed to own a gun :/
I heard that it was his mum's (which even if this is the case he managed to get hold of *way* too easily). Seriously though, I think his mental issues should've been supported a long time before they reached this stage :|.
yeah, iirc he'd even tried to get a gun himself but was denied because he was a crazy.
Stop's right and Ako too :P
He couldn't get one so he got one of his mom's (who, iirc, had four fire arms...?) and went to the school.
From what I've heard of the mother, she doesn't sound like an entirely stable human being either, stockpiling food and guns for the end of the world.

Question: who or where was his dad? Why is it when there are these mass shooting outbreaks, all people ever talk about are the shooters' mothers? Correlation does not imply causation and all, I'm just wondering why everything seems to be focused on their mothers.
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mangaluva wrote: Question: who or where was his dad? Why is it when there are these mass shooting outbreaks, all people ever talk about are the shooters' mothers? Correlation does not imply causation and all, I'm just wondering why everything seems to be focused on their mothers.
The parents were divorced, and the father was living away, as a CEO of some minor company, IIRC. He sent alimony to the mother and the perpetrator (who lived at his mother's place).
He also refused to comment on the event initially.
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Callid wrote:
mangaluva wrote: Question: who or where was his dad? Why is it when there are these mass shooting outbreaks, all people ever talk about are the shooters' mothers? Correlation does not imply causation and all, I'm just wondering why everything seems to be focused on their mothers.
The parents were divorced, and the father was living away, as a CEO of some minor company, IIRC. He sent alimony to the mother and the perpetrator (who lived at his mother's place).
He also refused to comment on the event initially.
Trying to count out the numbers of school shootings in the US (including gender and other stuff where given) and so far I'm up to 121 incidents of it... :|
I find it really weird how many of the early ones (before 1940s mainly) happened because of some poor woman refusing some guy's advances and getting her brains blown out for it though :|. Most of the teacher-teacher shootings happened because of reasons that sound like they came out of DC :-\...
Also, the number of shootings where a female was the one doing it... 6. Yeah, mostly males doing it :P. Doesn't seem to be much of a link about the mothers though. Shooters have been in families which are together, divorced, whatever, from what I've noticed so far. The main things they've got in common is they tend to be male and in a few cases (though less than you may expect) they were the quiet, introverted types. Also, in terms of students doing school shootings the most common ages are around 14 to 17. Probably the most predictable thing about it all is that fact that the majority of shooters commit suicide not long after their crimes. I would say that the type of personality changes *how* the shootings are committed rather than whether they are so much too, though I guess personality might still be a factor in how probable it is that a person commits a gun crime. Doubt it's a good idea to kill off all males because they did most of them though :P.
Like it's already been mentioned though, correlation doesn't imply causation so~
Hmm... there are a few key times where the problem was as much the mental health support as the gun control tbh. This one and this part on the Sandy Hook shootings have some pretty big points on that.
And this is just going by Wikipedia alone (well, the lists of the shootings themselves. I've looked up some articles about some incidents from other sources but not that much for the reasons in the next sentence :P). I'm trying to avoid using lists from other websites 'cause they'll almost certainly be biased, but looking at things, I think I might actually be missing some :|.
Of course, given the size of the place compared to, say, some countries in Europe it's not surprising the US is beating them in terms of school shootings because it's bigger, but even if you do make it proportional I'd have to say that this is serious overkill on the US side :P
This would be even better if you compared it to countries like Japan and various European ones. I think that looking more into how Switzerland works would be pretty interesting myself (it has a pretty high gun ownership level because of its army-type-thing but its restrictions are also very strict so it does much better than countries like the USA).

...and I think I'll take a break from this a bit. It's kinda depressing D:.
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Stopwatch wrote:
Callid wrote:
mangaluva wrote: Question: who or where was his dad? Why is it when there are these mass shooting outbreaks, all people ever talk about are the shooters' mothers? Correlation does not imply causation and all, I'm just wondering why everything seems to be focused on their mothers.
The parents were divorced, and the father was living away, as a CEO of some minor company, IIRC. He sent alimony to the mother and the perpetrator (who lived at his mother's place).
He also refused to comment on the event initially.
Trying to count out the numbers of school shootings in the US (including gender and other stuff where given) and so far I'm up to 121 incidents of it... :|
I find it really weird how many of the early ones (before 1940s mainly) happened because of some poor woman refusing some guy's advances and getting her brains blown out for it though :|. Most of the teacher-teacher shootings happened because of reasons that sound like they came out of DC :-\...
Also, the number of shootings where a female was the one doing it... 6. Yeah, mostly males doing it :P. Doesn't seem to be much of a link about the mothers though. Shooters have been in families which are together, divorced, whatever, from what I've noticed so far. The main things they've got in common is they tend to be male and in a few cases (though less than you may expect) they were the quiet, introverted types. Also, in terms of students doing school shootings the most common ages are around 14 to 17. Probably the most predictable thing about it all is that fact that the majority of shooters commit suicide not long after their crimes. I would say that the type of personality changes *how* the shootings are committed rather than whether they are so much too, though I guess personality might still be a factor in how probable it is that a person commits a gun crime. Doubt it's a good idea to kill off all males because they did most of them though :P.
Like it's already been mentioned though, correlation doesn't imply causation so~
Hmm... there are a few key times where the problem was as much the mental health support as the gun control tbh. This one and this part on the Sandy Hook shootings have some pretty big points on that.
And this is just going by Wikipedia alone (well, the lists of the shootings themselves. I've looked up some articles about some incidents from other sources but not that much for the reasons in the next sentence :P). I'm trying to avoid using lists from other websites 'cause they'll almost certainly be biased, but looking at things, I think I might actually be missing some :|.
Of course, given the size of the place compared to, say, some countries in Europe it's not surprising the US is beating them in terms of school shootings because it's bigger, but even if you do make it proportional I'd have to say that this is serious overkill on the US side :P
This would be even better if you compared it to countries like Japan and various European ones. I think that looking more into how Switzerland works would be pretty interesting myself (it has a pretty high gun ownership level because of its army-type-thing but its restrictions are also very strict so it does much better than countries like the USA).

...and I think I'll take a break from this a bit. It's kinda depressing D:.
It kinda is, because it seems so bloody simple to fix. Limitations on how many and what kind of guns people can privately own. limitations on ammunition. Stricter limitations on who can get a license to own a gun. Some of those things that just about every other first-world country has, maybe?
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mangaluva wrote:
Stopwatch wrote:
Callid wrote:
mangaluva wrote: Question: who or where was his dad? Why is it when there are these mass shooting outbreaks, all people ever talk about are the shooters' mothers? Correlation does not imply causation and all, I'm just wondering why everything seems to be focused on their mothers.
The parents were divorced, and the father was living away, as a CEO of some minor company, IIRC. He sent alimony to the mother and the perpetrator (who lived at his mother's place).
He also refused to comment on the event initially.
Trying to count out the numbers of school shootings in the US (including gender and other stuff where given) and so far I'm up to 121 incidents of it... :|
I find it really weird how many of the early ones (before 1940s mainly) happened because of some poor woman refusing some guy's advances and getting her brains blown out for it though :|. Most of the teacher-teacher shootings happened because of reasons that sound like they came out of DC :-\...
Also, the number of shootings where a female was the one doing it... 6. Yeah, mostly males doing it :P. Doesn't seem to be much of a link about the mothers though. Shooters have been in families which are together, divorced, whatever, from what I've noticed so far. The main things they've got in common is they tend to be male and in a few cases (though less than you may expect) they were the quiet, introverted types. Also, in terms of students doing school shootings the most common ages are around 14 to 17. Probably the most predictable thing about it all is that fact that the majority of shooters commit suicide not long after their crimes. I would say that the type of personality changes *how* the shootings are committed rather than whether they are so much too, though I guess personality might still be a factor in how probable it is that a person commits a gun crime. Doubt it's a good idea to kill off all males because they did most of them though :P.
Like it's already been mentioned though, correlation doesn't imply causation so~
Hmm... there are a few key times where the problem was as much the mental health support as the gun control tbh. This one and this part on the Sandy Hook shootings have some pretty big points on that.
And this is just going by Wikipedia alone (well, the lists of the shootings themselves. I've looked up some articles about some incidents from other sources but not that much for the reasons in the next sentence :P). I'm trying to avoid using lists from other websites 'cause they'll almost certainly be biased, but looking at things, I think I might actually be missing some :|.
Of course, given the size of the place compared to, say, some countries in Europe it's not surprising the US is beating them in terms of school shootings because it's bigger, but even if you do make it proportional I'd have to say that this is serious overkill on the US side :P
This would be even better if you compared it to countries like Japan and various European ones. I think that looking more into how Switzerland works would be pretty interesting myself (it has a pretty high gun ownership level because of its army-type-thing but its restrictions are also very strict so it does much better than countries like the USA).

...and I think I'll take a break from this a bit. It's kinda depressing D:.
It kinda is, because it seems so bloody simple to fix. Limitations on how many and what kind of guns people can privately own. limitations on ammunition. Stricter limitations on who can get a license to own a gun. Some of those things that just about every other first-world country has, maybe?
The thing is, people have been saying that for years and there are just too many others who just don't listen. You need so many facts and statistics that people can't possibly continue to deny that limits on guns work better... except some people still do *fail*
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Stopwatch wrote:
mangaluva wrote:
Stopwatch wrote:
Callid wrote:
mangaluva wrote: Question: who or where was his dad? Why is it when there are these mass shooting outbreaks, all people ever talk about are the shooters' mothers? Correlation does not imply causation and all, I'm just wondering why everything seems to be focused on their mothers.
The parents were divorced, and the father was living away, as a CEO of some minor company, IIRC. He sent alimony to the mother and the perpetrator (who lived at his mother's place).
He also refused to comment on the event initially.
Trying to count out the numbers of school shootings in the US (including gender and other stuff where given) and so far I'm up to 121 incidents of it... :|
I find it really weird how many of the early ones (before 1940s mainly) happened because of some poor woman refusing some guy's advances and getting her brains blown out for it though :|. Most of the teacher-teacher shootings happened because of reasons that sound like they came out of DC :-\...
Also, the number of shootings where a female was the one doing it... 6. Yeah, mostly males doing it :P. Doesn't seem to be much of a link about the mothers though. Shooters have been in families which are together, divorced, whatever, from what I've noticed so far. The main things they've got in common is they tend to be male and in a few cases (though less than you may expect) they were the quiet, introverted types. Also, in terms of students doing school shootings the most common ages are around 14 to 17. Probably the most predictable thing about it all is that fact that the majority of shooters commit suicide not long after their crimes. I would say that the type of personality changes *how* the shootings are committed rather than whether they are so much too, though I guess personality might still be a factor in how probable it is that a person commits a gun crime. Doubt it's a good idea to kill off all males because they did most of them though :P.
Like it's already been mentioned though, correlation doesn't imply causation so~
Hmm... there are a few key times where the problem was as much the mental health support as the gun control tbh. This one and this part on the Sandy Hook shootings have some pretty big points on that.
And this is just going by Wikipedia alone (well, the lists of the shootings themselves. I've looked up some articles about some incidents from other sources but not that much for the reasons in the next sentence :P). I'm trying to avoid using lists from other websites 'cause they'll almost certainly be biased, but looking at things, I think I might actually be missing some :|.
Of course, given the size of the place compared to, say, some countries in Europe it's not surprising the US is beating them in terms of school shootings because it's bigger, but even if you do make it proportional I'd have to say that this is serious overkill on the US side :P
This would be even better if you compared it to countries like Japan and various European ones. I think that looking more into how Switzerland works would be pretty interesting myself (it has a pretty high gun ownership level because of its army-type-thing but its restrictions are also very strict so it does much better than countries like the USA).

...and I think I'll take a break from this a bit. It's kinda depressing D:.
It kinda is, because it seems so bloody simple to fix. Limitations on how many and what kind of guns people can privately own. limitations on ammunition. Stricter limitations on who can get a license to own a gun. Some of those things that just about every other first-world country has, maybe?
The thing is, people have been saying that for years and there are just too many others who just don't listen. You need so many facts and statistics that people can't possibly continue to deny that limits on guns work better... except some people still do *fail*
I think we'd get a lot farther trying to fix the issues with mental healthcare and, more than anything else, taking the focus of news OFF the shooter and placing it EXCLUSIVELY on the victims. Stop glorifying the shooter in any way. Do not even give the assailant's name to the public, only the names of the victims. The way things are, some people who are mixed-up in their heads see all this and go "Oh, shooting up a public space is a good way to get famous!"

Also, as sad as it may be, the simple truth is that gun control really isn't likely to happen much in the US. There are too many people who know very little of the Constitution but are quite well versed in the Second Amendment which states that "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". If you take that at absolute face value, there's an argument in there that any gun laws are unconstitutional. This is not my take on things. Personally I believe that guns should be controlled/licensed at least as much as cars. I am simply stating facts, that there are people who think there should be no gun laws and unfortunately there are quite a lot of them and they do have a certain amount of power, as does the National Rifle Association (NRA) which balks at the very idea of any restrictions on gun ownership.
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The Case of the Midnight Channel
"When a strange letter summons the Mouri family to Inaba, Ran is expecting a case. She's not expecting it to involve the TV, though.
If Naoto investigated everyone who came to visit Inaba, she'd have little time for real cases. When Yukiko reports that the Midnight Channel is back, however, she starts to wonder if the visitors are connected. Especially when the image clears, unveiling yet another mystery."

Short version: I'm taking various DC/MK characters to Inaba (where Persona 4 takes place) and dropping them through the TV to face their Shadows!
Cross-posted:Case of the Midnight Channel at Archive of our Own.
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miakakiri wrote:I think we'd get a lot farther trying to fix the issues with mental healthcare and, more than anything else, taking the focus of news OFF the shooter and placing it EXCLUSIVELY on the victims. Stop glorifying the shooter in any way. Do not even give the assailant's name to the public, only the names of the victims. The way things are, some people who are mixed-up in their heads see all this and go "Oh, shooting up a public space is a good way to get famous!"

Personally I believe that guns should be controlled/licensed at least as much as cars.
I agree with you on all of these points. For that matter, I honestly think we need to stop this whole "focus on the culprit" mess in the news altogether, let alone reporting about them before they go on trial (unless they're on the run or something of the sort). :|
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It sometimes doesn't matter how many laws and penalties we make on it. If the people who should be following the law don't agree with it, then they won't do it, even if most people agree that there should be stricter rules around guns.
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I'd also like to point out that, even if guns were unavailable, there are other, more deadly methods they could use if they wished.  Including but not limited to home-made bombs.
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GinRei wrote: I'd also like to point out that, even if guns were unavailable, there are other, more deadly methods they could use if they wished.  Including but not limited to home-made bombs.
Which is why fixing mental healthcare and taking the news focus off the culprit is of greater actual importance in preventing mass-murder scenarios.
I have finally started to actually publish my story! For the moment, expect a new chapter each month.

The Case of the Midnight Channel
"When a strange letter summons the Mouri family to Inaba, Ran is expecting a case. She's not expecting it to involve the TV, though.
If Naoto investigated everyone who came to visit Inaba, she'd have little time for real cases. When Yukiko reports that the Midnight Channel is back, however, she starts to wonder if the visitors are connected. Especially when the image clears, unveiling yet another mystery."

Short version: I'm taking various DC/MK characters to Inaba (where Persona 4 takes place) and dropping them through the TV to face their Shadows!
Cross-posted:Case of the Midnight Channel at Archive of our Own.
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miakakiri wrote: Which is why fixing mental healthcare and taking the news focus off the culprit is of greater actual importance in preventing mass-murder scenarios.
Agreed.
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