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Pmofmalasia wrote: ...Kamio tries to fix her hair in the two way mirror, and in doing so it's possible that she blocks the light and sees through the mirror, and possibly something that incriminates Jouhei.  I think that it's Jouhei not just because of the coffin thing, but also because he pulls her away from the mirror, with what I'm pretty sure is the most affection he shows her through the story: http://www.dctp.ws/V79-Reader/V79-7Read/A7.html
i like your point about Jouhei pulling her away from the mirror and I agree he seems suspicious... I don't think she was killed because she saw incriminating evidence though. I think the murder was planned from the beginning. but it's possible he was still paranoid that Kamiyo would be able to see something since she was so close to the "mirror", therefore he quickly pulled her away.. indicating that he knows about the mirror trick and is probably involved in the murders.
Giogio wrote: Actually, aren't the blood trails on Hakuya's face different every time you see him?

First, it's on the right side. Also, these little sprenkles on his face make me think he may have bitten open a blood sachet in order to produce the blood trail and the exploding of the sachet made the sprenkles.

In the mirror, the blood trail is on the left side (since it's a normal fake mirror, he should be looking straight through, right?), and he isn't wearing the black coat.

And when he's hanging outside the window, it's the right side again, he has his coat on, and the monocle chain seems to be dangling the wrong way.


I think Hakuya might still be alive. How about after showing himself in the casket, he left for the woods, and everything else was set up by his accomplice? The latter could have sent the woman's body to the woods with a zipline-type construction, where count dracula was waiting to impale it.
I'm trying to work out the Hakuya appearances. :/ as you pointed out, the first time he was seen was in the casket with the blood trail from his mouth on the right side of his face. Then he is seen in the "mirror" with the blood trail on the left side of his face. Finally he is seen in the window with the blood trail in the right side of his face. On the other hand, his monocle is always on the right side of his face.

Appearance #1 has to be Hakuya's real body -- either his dead body or his own trick (/set up with an accomplice) with the intention of scaring his family.

Appearance #3 has to be some kind of picture/projection and cannot be a real body because, as pointed out, the monocle chain is dangling the wrong way i.e. it is not dangling down as it should be due to gravity. Actually, can a monocle even stay on the person's face if the head is upside down? (is it clipped on the nose? ouch)

Appearance #2 is the one that can be either, i think. (or would the 2-way mirror trick not work with a picture?) If Hakuya is behind Appearance #1 and #2, why would the blood trail be on different sides? i.e. why would he need to wipe off his previous fake blood trail, and then apply a new one... Unless he ate dinner or something, and would have to re-apply the make-up after that. On the other hand, if Appearance #2 is a picture, why would the blood trail be on a different side?

After my own confused ramblings, I'm inclined to think that Hakuya is still alive and is behind all three appearances. He probably used a picture of himself in Appearance #3 because it is too difficult/dangerous to climb on a roof and dangle yourself from there. :x

must say this is probably the most interesting case in DC in a long time. :)
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^ I hadn't thought of the projection thing, which I think supports my theory about Jouhei.  He is the one to be freaked out the most by the appearance, which in my opinion is because he thought that he had killed him, but then he appears in the window.
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In case anyone was wondering why I never followed up, I accidentally saw a spoiler including the/a culprit. Conan stood rather close to this person in an unusual way, so people thought it was funny and posted the panel in a location where I thought I wouldn't run into spoilers. It wouldn't be fair to continue case deductions while knowing the answer.  :-[
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Chekhov MacGuffin wrote: It wouldn't be fair to continue case deductions while knowing the answer.  :-[
That's very considerate of you. :)

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Thats a pity. Ive finally had a bit of time to read a DC case properly but there doesnt seem to be as much discussion as usual! I guess people are mostly waiting for the plot to continue...

It seems like the "bat" we saw was actually the toy plane. But what was the kiddie pool for? And the can of seaweed in the fridge looks like it would be just the size that would fit in Ishiharu's bag, but i have no idea of the use/significance of it.

Everyone seems suspicious to me after this last file... Here is what i think so far:

Just like in the story of the feudal lord, it was Hakuya's younger brother, Asanobu, who masterminded the death of the fiancee Youko. He may have rigged his own vehicle beforehand and he was aided by the maid Shimizu. Possibly they were involved? The motive was inheritance, because if Hakuya married Youko, none of the siblings are likely to get very much.

Hakuya in fact is fond of Youko's daughter (the maid) and intends to leave everything to her. But he doesn't trust the butler, possibly because he is nosy/gossipy, and doesn't want any rumours to get round that the new maid is about to fet all the inheritance. So he lies to the butler.

I think now the most suspicious are Hagawa Jouhei and his lover Kamiyo. The hole that was dug next to Kamiyo's body, and the friction marks on her fingers... It seems like she was the one who dug the hole, possibly in preparation of a murder (maybe the maid?) they were in it together and Jouhei is now devastated because his co conspirator has been targeted and possibly worried that someone is on to them...? If they are the culprits then the motive would be money.. I think Jouhei left Mina because he found out that she was born from a mistress and, being Hakuya's half-sibling, would rank after his whole blood siblings. (although i can't be sure of Japanese inheritance laws.) so he went after the eldest daughter Kamiyo instead.

I have a feeling that there are at least 2 different parties with different motives acting here at the same time, and i can't figure out yet who is going after what. @_@ i also can't decide now if Hakuya is still alive. But i really think that Jouhei & Kamiyo are the 'original' culprits, and now someone else killed Kamiyo...
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I will be honest - its not that I don't want to be involved in the discussion, but the current case has so many angles that I've lost track of too many details. :(

Good thing I'm not a real detective! ;P

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Yeah there really is a ton of stuff going on in this one, I'm kind of just waiting for the next file to come out for some new information, because there's a lot we can't really make sense of yet and only speculate: the fridge, the murder in the smoke room doesn't really have too many clues, and there's not a lot we know about Kamiyo's murder yet either.
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Maybe someone can list out the FACTS as we know so far?

To what I can tell, the gang went to a mansion somewhere in the middle of nowhere, the adults separated, murder happens in the house, overly complicated family relations and there is a lot of finger-pointing towards vampires.

Did I miss anything important?

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Pmofmalasia wrote: Yeah there really is a ton of stuff going on in this one, I'm kind of just waiting for the next file to come out for some new information, because there's a lot we can't really make sense of yet and only speculate: the fridge, the murder in the smoke room doesn't really have too many clues, and there's not a lot we know about Kamiyo's murder yet either.
I think it is fair to spoil that the next file, 840, is the resolution. You will need to guess now.
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Chekhov MacGuffin wrote: I think it is fair to spoil that the next file, 840, is the resolution. You will need to guess now.
ARRGGHHH !!! I need to put my thinking cap now. Hmm....

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chronodekar wrote:
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote: I think it is fair to spoil that the next file, 840, is the resolution. You will need to guess now.
ARRGGHHH !!! I need to put my thinking cap now. Hmm....

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All this family relationship stuff has got me way too confused to reach any conclusions. >.>
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Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
Pmofmalasia wrote: Yeah there really is a ton of stuff going on in this one, I'm kind of just waiting for the next file to come out for some new information, because there's a lot we can't really make sense of yet and only speculate: the fridge, the murder in the smoke room doesn't really have too many clues, and there's not a lot we know about Kamiyo's murder yet either.
I think it is fair to spoil that the next file, 840, is the resolution. You will need to guess now.
Yeah I hadn't noticed that the new file was out yet >_<
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The culprit Hagawa is really tough enough that he didn't faint after being kicked by Ran and slammed by Kazuha.
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