Shinichi+Ran

[kholoudsafir]

Thank you Ai fans for your honesty

And the moment where Shinichi gives Ran his phone number and thinks "this kind of danger might not be so bad..." his expression was so loving. ♥

ya I know :)You mean the expression which I call A LOVER's LOOK 
But this was not a sad moment, it was lovely one.

Spoiler:

although I think we can see it as a sad moment for Ai's fans

[AICHAN]

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although I think we can see it as a sad moment for Ai's fans

well,you mean a sad moment for Aicon fans...it's not the same thing and even for us,it's not a sad,it doesn't touch us at all(cause we are used to see thes kind of moments )

[kanata09]

I love the scene from 193 too. but I still feel that the love between Shinichi and Ran is "fake" to me..... (well they are not even Boyfriend-Girlfriend since the beginning)

*Spoilers*
For example in vol. 14, when she knew that Conan is Shinichi she told Kogoro not to disturb him or whatever....
She act like "I knew it was you, but it is hard to say it..." when Conan said "As expected of..." and made Conan feel that it is strange for her and told her the truth (it is what i feel only.... try to ignore it). If she really love/like Shinichi then there is no need for an "act" that creeps Conan/Shinichi out .

another example from vol. 36-37 (12000 hostage), after Shinichi knew that Teitan High might be another place where the bomb is set, he was worried to the extent that he was in despair and he was in a near-death situation and his mind keep thinking of Ran and wanted her to get away (which shows that he really worried about her)..... Ran sensed it and her response was there is a "dangerous" case(only what i think) nearby.... after hearing what Sonoko said about the tennis club in her school she talking normally with Sonoko
*Spoilers*

[ziraulo]

I love the scene from 193 too. but I still feel that the love between Shinichi and Ran is "fake" to me..... (well they are not even Boyfriend-Girlfriend since the beginning)

*Spoilers*
For example in vol. 14, when she knew that Conan is Shinichi she told Kogoro not to disturb him or whatever....
She act like "I knew it was you, but it is hard to say it..." when Conan said "As expected of..." and made Conan feel that it is strange for her and told her the truth (it is what i feel only.... try to ignore it). If she really love/like Shinichi then there is no need for an "act" that creeps Conan/Shinichi out .

another example from vol. 36-37 (12000 hostage), after Shinichi knew that Teitan High might be another place where the bomb is set, he was worried to the extent that he was in despair and he was in a near-death situation and his mind keep thinking of Ran and wanted her to get away (which shows that he really worried about her)..... Ran sensed it and her response was there is a "dangerous" case(only what i think) nearby.... after hearing what Sonoko said about the tennis club in her school she talking normally with Sonoko
*Spoilers*

Your first situation: Shinichi totally DESERVED being treated that way. *turns to the kids * That's what happens to liars,kids. Not to mention he ruined the trust she had in him. If anyone found out that one of their closest friends were lying to them, they'd do the same way.

Second situation: The telepathed message did get in, but wouldn' t it be weird if she just randomly burst out " There's a bomb in the school! Shinichi said so!" ?

[mangaluva]

I love the scene from 193 too. but I still feel that the love between Shinichi and Ran is "fake" to me..... (well they are not even Boyfriend-Girlfriend since the beginning)

*Spoilers*
For example in vol. 14, when she knew that Conan is Shinichi she told Kogoro not to disturb him or whatever....
She act like "I knew it was you, but it is hard to say it..." when Conan said "As expected of..." and made Conan feel that it is strange for her and told her the truth (it is what i feel only.... try to ignore it). If she really love/like Shinichi then there is no need for an "act" that creeps Conan/Shinichi out .

another example from vol. 36-37 (12000 hostage), after Shinichi knew that Teitan High might be another place where the bomb is set, he was worried to the extent that he was in despair and he was in a near-death situation and his mind keep thinking of Ran and wanted her to get away (which shows that he really worried about her)..... Ran sensed it and her response was there is a "dangerous" case(only what i think) nearby.... after hearing what Sonoko said about the tennis club in her school she talking normally with Sonoko
*Spoilers*

Your first situation: Shinichi totally DESERVED being treated that way. *turns to the kids * That's what happens to liars,kids. Not to mention he ruined the trust she had in him. If anyone found out that one of their closest friends were lying to them, they'd do the same way.

Second situation: The telepathed message did get in, but wouldn' t it be weird if she just randomly burst out " There's a bomb in the school! Shinichi said so!" ?

Totally agree. Lying is bad. Also, all she had was a very vague feeling. If you had a very vague feeling that there was something wrong, would you run screaming from the building? Only if Bruce Willis gets that feeling.

[kanata09]

@ziraulo & mangaluva: i just really pissed off by Ran's "acting" towards Conan (even though he really DESERVED it). and to me if you really love/like that person, you should show the true you to that person... (No offense to Conan-readers/watchers/lovers....) and she is helping Conan because she knew that he is Shinichi in the first example (for what reason to do that? to tell him that she is being "supportive"? don't mess with me about that, she is totally ignoring how Shinichi's feel)

on the second example... I feel that Ran got Shinichi's (telepathed) message but don't know why he told her to get away from her school... (maybe? or not?) as her response was "Somehow alot of cars has come in today..." ... thought that the "case" was nearby or in her school and this two pages shows the difference between Haibara and Ran "worries for Shinichi/Conan (for Haibara's case, for Ran's case is Shinichi):

Spoiler:

http://www.dctp.ws/V37-Reader/V37-1Read/A6.html

http://www.dctp.ws/V37-Reader/V37-1Read/A7.html

Haibara knows Conan/Shinichi is the type of person who "bottled up all his fears and concerns to himself" like her and knows that he is "prepared to sacrifice for the "hostages" " the minute he told her to look after ayumi, mitsuhiko, genta and others: http://www.dctp.ws/V36-Reader/V36-10Read/A12.html

[kholoudsafir]

@ziraulo & mangaluva: i just really pissed off by Ran's "acting" towards Conan (even though he really DESERVED it). and to me if you really love/like that person, you should show the true you to that person... (No offense to Conan-readers/watchers/lovers....) and she is helping Conan because she knew that he is Shinichi in the first example (for what reason to do that? to tell him that she is being "supportive"? don't mess with me about that, she is totally ignoring how Shinichi's feel)

on the second example... I feel that Ran got Shinichi's (telepathed) message but don't know why he told her to get away from her school... (maybe? or not?) as her response was "Somehow alot of cars has come in today..." ... thought that the "case" was nearby or in her school and this two pages shows the difference between Haibara and Ran "worries for Shinichi/Conan (for Haibara's case, for Ran's case is Shinichi):

Spoiler:

http://www.dctp.ws/V37-Reader/V37-1Read/A6.html

http://www.dctp.ws/V37-Reader/V37-1Read/A7.html

Haibara knows Conan/Shinichi is the type of person who "bottled up all his fears and concerns to himself" like her and knows that he is "prepared to sacrifice for the "hostages" " the minute he told her to look after ayumi, mitsuhiko, genta and others: http://www.dctp.ws/V36-Reader/V36-10Read/A12.html

I agree with mangaluva and ziraulo. Also, I can not see how Shinchi was hurt and I do not remember him being upset or mad that she did not tell him that she knew, actually, he was rather puzzled and did not understand her behaviour.

In the bomb story, there was NO comparison between Ran and Haibara. Ran was doing exams, not aware like many people of the whole bomb thing.
Haibara Not only knew about the bomb, but she knows about Conan/Shinchi thing. we can not take this story as an example in this argument, but if Ran knew about the bomb and Conan was there, it will be a different story.

I love the scene from 193 too. but I still feel that the love between Shinichi and Ran is "fake" to me..... (well they are not even Boyfriend-Girlfriend since the beginning)

Not being a boyfriend and a girl friend yet, does not mean necessarily that the love feelings do not exist.

[mangaluva]

@ziraulo & mangaluva: i just really pissed off by Ran's "acting" towards Conan (even though he really DESERVED it). and to me if you really love/like that person, you should show the true you to that person... (No offense to Conan-readers/watchers/lovers....) and she is helping Conan because she knew that he is Shinichi in the first example (for what reason to do that? to tell him that she is being "supportive"? don't mess with me about that, she is totally ignoring how Shinichi's feel)

on the second example... I feel that Ran got Shinichi's (telepathed) message but don't know why he told her to get away from her school... (maybe? or not?) as her response was "Somehow alot of cars has come in today..." ... thought that the "case" was nearby or in her school and this two pages shows the difference between Haibara and Ran "worries for Shinichi/Conan (for Haibara's case, for Ran's case is Shinichi):

Spoiler:

http://www.dctp.ws/V37-Reader/V37-1Read/A6.html

http://www.dctp.ws/V37-Reader/V37-1Read/A7.html

Haibara knows Conan/Shinichi is the type of person who "bottled up all his fears and concerns to himself" like her and knows that he is "prepared to sacrifice for the "hostages" " the minute he told her to look after ayumi, mitsuhiko, genta and others: http://www.dctp.ws/V36-Reader/V36-10Read/A12.html

I agree with mangaluva and ziraulo. Also, I can not see how Shinchi was hurt and I do not remember him being upset or mad that she did not tell him that she knew, actually, he was rather puzzled and did not understand her behaviour.

In the bomb story, there was NO comparison between Ran and Haibara. Ran was doing exams, not aware like many people of the whole bomb thing.
Haibara Not only knew about the bomb, but she knows about Conan/Shinchi thing. we can not take this story as an example in this argument, but if Ran knew about the bomb and Conan was there, it will be a different story.

I love the scene from 193 too. but I still feel that the love between Shinichi and Ran is "fake" to me..... (well they are not even Boyfriend-Girlfriend since the beginning)

Not being a boyfriend and a girl friend yet, does not mean necessarily that the love feelings do not exist.

All true. I mean, Ran really had no way of knowing what was going on, since she had exams that day; studies are taken extremely seriously in Japan, and it's highly unlikely that she'd be listening to radio or sneaking off to poke around during exams. She had a bad feeling, but studies had to come first.

Back to the first example, Ran can't know how Shinichi feels because he's hiding so much from her; also, she's a little wary about pressing the "Conan=Shinichi?" issue for some very obvious reasons, the primary probably being that adults turning into kids is completely and utterly absurd. I mean, we take this condition of his for granted as DC fans, but if someone actually told you that they'd shrunk, would you believe them? Also, I think she probably doesn't believe that he'd lie to her or hurt her without a good reason, or wants to believe as much, so she's careful about investigating the issue.

I think that it's very clear that they love each other; they're just stuck in a unique and difficult situation, which makes it hard to judge from the outside.

[conanfan1]

Ok srry but i couldnt read all of ur posts since they were too LONG
but i am a shin/ran fan and i read tht someone was saying something abt shinichi lying to ran
he did tht to make sure she doesnt fall into danger and to stop her worrying
sure it didnt work but at least he tried
plus if ran knew then dont u think she would worry more and get into dangerous situations trying to save shinichi?
cant state all reasons cuz my mom is gna kill me ryt now becuz i am on the computer and am supposed to be sleeping x(
my funeral is near 

[Ran-Fan]

The mom´s are really scary, ulp  . Anyway, I to think that Shinichi is not lying to Ran, he only tried to protect her  , despiste the fact that she is constantly in danger  .

I don´t not why  , but I think that Ran is about to find that Conan is Shinichi –again-very son .

[AICHAN]

The mom´s are really scary, ulp  . Anyway, I to think that Shinichi is not lying to Ran, he only tried to protect her  , despiste the fact that she is constantly in danger  .

I don´t not why  , but I think that Ran is about to find that Conan is Shinichi –again-very son .

yeah,maybe for the 3dr times she will find the truth and conan will find a trick to make her believe she's wrong ::)great...

[Misztina]

yeah,maybe for the 3dr times she will find the truth and conan will find a trick to make her believe she's wrong great...
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^^" Let's be fair with Ran, Shinichi made her time though.

MAYBE SPOILERS?

1. When she first found out, she confronted him, but gave herself right away, so Shinichi could get the help of Agasa and I think it is quite believable (does this word even exist?) that she could be tricked by hearing Shinichi's voice and seeing at that time Conan.

2. Ran found out Shinichi's secret again (volume 14), she manage to keep it to herself so Shinichi couldn't think of a backplan and was only saved by Yukiko.

There should be noted that Ran still had her doubts, Yukiko's act was not so convincing and she became 100% sure of Conan's true identity...

3. Ran didn't confront Shinichi like in the previous two cases, she used "psychological terror pressure" and it almost worked, hadn't Ai came up with a very convincing idea, and Shinichi, the real was seen together with Conan in Desperate Revival.

Even after this, Ran spoke about "I wish you were Shinichi" and stuff and then...

4. She again began to think that Conan is too smart for his age and she had a complete idea why was Conan so smart at the crime scenes, because Shinichi helped him. But Ran then realized that Conan didn't contact Shinichi ergo he is as smart as Shinichi, meaning he is Shinichi. And again, she thinks Shinichi tricked her, because he is sneaky. This time Ran gave herself away again and left an opportunity for Shinichi to take counter measures, and he tricked her with the phone. Which was convincing again, because even Ran thinks that she is paranoid, and she rather thinks that she is wrong in order to avoid disappointment in Shinichi. Also this time she looked for concrete evidence to corner Conan.
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I hope the last step will be the fingerprint-proof. And I do hope Shinichi won't get away with it. The police /Takagi/ has Conan's fingerprints and probably Shinichi's too, since he was in so many cases and in Shiragami case, they actually prooved that Shinichi si Shinichi with fingerprints.
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Anyways I don't think Ran is stupid because she can't figure out Shinichi's true identity. And for the plot's sake it cannot be revealed to her yet. It may be boring, but it is logical that his identity can't stay revealed in front of her till the end-parts.

[kanata09]

@kholoudsafir & mangaluva: I should have written more clearly about what i feel about the second example......!! (totally regret about not written clearly....)

I feel that on the second example, even if Ran do not has a test and what if there is a "case in her school" (takes murder for example). Ran is going and takes an "important evidence(s)" (thinking what Shinichi will do if he is in such situation) and the culprit targeted her without her knowing.... If Conan is in her school and knew that Ran is being target and telepathed to her, she still dunno why Shinichi telepathed to her... (like "Ran, get away from here!!! hurry!!!!")

[ziraulo]

hmm....I think she'd receive said message, but Ran can kick ass on her own! Please remember the many times she saved Conan. And mangaluva is right, he wasn't upset, just puzzled on why she didn't blurt out his secret on the spot (uh...maybe. Just maybe. I'm really bad at studying men...). Not to mention Shinichi would never forgive himself if she got hurt, so he'd make it in time!

[kanata09]

@ziraulo: I think he will not forgive himself if anybody get hurt now.... as the "Moonlight Sonata" and "Akemi/Masami's death" had a great impact on him along with the case he solve when he was as "Kudo Shinichi" and "Edogawa Conan"....  and to say because she don't know why the telepathed message get her (like told her to run away or anything) and just "defeat" the culprit by her own self defense.... If she is that strong enough to live alone (for the situation now), then i don't see the needs of having Shinichi by her side [and he is nearly everyday with her]......

Anyway,if you are a true Detective Conan-lover/reader(or whatever) then you should feel bad about the recent "Kappa case".... as when Ran keep saying that she saw the "Kappa", Conan, Kogoro and even Yamamura are ignoring her and continue or say that it is impossible or whatever..... Her position is dropping down to this extent....

As this is a shounen-based manga like Prince of Tennis, Gintama, Reborn!, Neuro, can't expect the heroine(s) to appear more and to say in PoT manga Sakuno's position is alot more lower than Ran in DC.... unlike Reborn!, Gintama, Shaman King & Neuro.......