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Doesn't making a passport these days require taking a fingerprint? It it does indeed, then Conan would actually have a valid reason not to make himself a passport. Imagine someone from BO accidentally coming across an information that someone with fingerprints identical to certain Kudo Shinichi just flew out of the country and discovering it was Edogawa Conan. If Shinichi is discovered using his own, real passport, then - obviously - BO would know he's alive or at least have doubts about his death, but nobody would link him to Conan. But if he used Conan's passport with Shinichi's fingerprints on it, consequences would be dire - his cover would be immediately blown.
On the other hand, BO doesn't have a reason to check peoples' fingerprints and documents at the airports. They are powerful, but monitoring all flights is absurd IMHO.
El Huesudo II wrote:
The thing is, if there was an Edogawa Conan birth certificate, there'd be no trouble in producing the rest of the papers Conan would need.
Like, for example, a passport.
Like, for example, a death certificate for Shinichi.
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One thing that worries me, now that Amuro is watching the Mouri agency closely, Shinichi is in really great danger - wouldn't Amuro wonder why, for the love of God, is nobody worried about Shinichi? According to BO data, Shinichi is dead. If it's true, why the heck is nobody behaving accordingly or at least as if Shinichi went missing? Everyone going on with their merry lives as if nothing happened! Maybe at first he didn't notice that 'cause he was concentrated on finding Sherry, but now, who knows? He may start digging. Sooner or later he will definitely hear from Ran or somebody else that Shinichi is fine and well, sometimes he calls and they've even seen him a few times. Now that is a threat...
Okay, that was a little bit off-topic, sorry...
El Huesudo II wrote:
The thing is, if there was an Edogawa Conan birth certificate, there'd be no trouble in producing the rest of the papers Conan would need.
Like, for example, a passport.
As far as I know, in Japan there aren't birth certificates or any kind of ID. The only thing that is used is the driving license.
One thing that worries me, now that Amuro is watching the Mouri agency closely, Shinichi is in really great danger - wouldn't Amuro wonder why, for the love of God, is nobody worried about Shinichi? According to BO data, Shinichi is dead. If it's true, why the heck is nobody behaving accordingly or at least as if Shinichi went missing? Everyone going on with their merry lives as if nothing happened! Maybe at first he didn't notice that 'cause he was concentrated on finding Sherry, but now, who knows? He may start digging. Sooner or later he will definitely hear from Ran or somebody else that Shinichi is fine and well, sometimes he calls and they've even seen him a few times. Now that is a threat...
Okay, that was a little bit off-topic, sorry...
Spoiler:
Yeah, that sort of thing is just a massive plot point waiting to explode. And not only because of that:
a) Vodka was a witness to Heiji passing as Shinichi on the Halloween party. This could pose 2 questions to anyone digging for info about Shinichi: Why does no one know Shinichi's (supposed to be) dead, and why did someone went as far as to disguise himself as Shinichi IN PUBLIC to solve a case, considering he's supposed to be dead?
b) The Metro PD has Conan's fingerprints. On the files of a case related to Akai. Whoever may suspect Conan and Shinichi to be the same person, only needs to compare prints of both identities to confirm the claim; or maybe someone interested in Akai's case could make the connection by accident!
c) The whole thing about Shinichi's blood in Heiji's charm, when the one who was struck while wearing it was Conan. (Actually, it was kinda disappointing that this didn't make Ran remember the time when she blurted out how she and Conan shared blood types when she couldn't have possibly known that fact unless she considered he and Shinichi were the same person...?)
d) Amuro is interested in investigating Conan. He'll stumble upon clues sooner or later.
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One thing that worries me, now that Amuro is watching the Mouri agency closely, Shinichi is in really great danger - wouldn't Amuro wonder why, for the love of God, is nobody worried about Shinichi? According to BO data, Shinichi is dead. If it's true, why the heck is nobody behaving accordingly or at least as if Shinichi went missing? Everyone going on with their merry lives as if nothing happened! Maybe at first he didn't notice that 'cause he was concentrated on finding Sherry, but now, who knows? He may start digging. Sooner or later he will definitely hear from Ran or somebody else that Shinichi is fine and well, sometimes he calls and they've even seen him a few times. Now that is a threat...
Okay, that was a little bit off-topic, sorry...
Spoiler:
Yeah, that sort of thing is just a massive plot point waiting to explode. And not only because of that:
a) Vodka was a witness to Heiji passing as Shinichi on the Halloween party. This could pose 2 questions to anyone digging for info about Shinichi: Why does no one know Shinichi's (supposed to be) dead, and why did someone went as far as to disguise himself as Shinichi IN PUBLIC to solve a case, considering he's supposed to be dead?
b) The Metro PD has Conan's fingerprints. On the files of a case related to Akai. Whoever may suspect Conan and Shinichi to be the same person, only needs to compare prints of both identities to confirm the claim; or maybe someone interested in Akai's case could make the connection by accident!
c) The whole thing about Shinichi's blood in Heiji's charm, when the one who was struck while wearing it was Conan. (Actually, it was kinda disappointing that this didn't make Ran remember the time when she blurted out how she and Conan shared blood types when she couldn't have possibly known that fact unless she considered he and Shinichi were the same person...?)
d) Amuro is interested in investigating Conan. He'll stumble upon clues sooner or later.
About c) There was no blood on the charm, it was about fingerprints. And she did mention it later on (when they were looking for the charm).
One thing that worries me, now that Amuro is watching the Mouri agency closely, Shinichi is in really great danger - wouldn't Amuro wonder why, for the love of God, is nobody worried about Shinichi? According to BO data, Shinichi is dead. If it's true, why the heck is nobody behaving accordingly or at least as if Shinichi went missing? Everyone going on with their merry lives as if nothing happened! Maybe at first he didn't notice that 'cause he was concentrated on finding Sherry, but now, who knows? He may start digging. Sooner or later he will definitely hear from Ran or somebody else that Shinichi is fine and well, sometimes he calls and they've even seen him a few times. Now that is a threat...
Okay, that was a little bit off-topic, sorry...
Spoiler:
Yeah, that sort of thing is just a massive plot point waiting to explode. And not only because of that:
a) Vodka was a witness to Heiji passing as Shinichi on the Halloween party. This could pose 2 questions to anyone digging for info about Shinichi: Why does no one know Shinichi's (supposed to be) dead, and why did someone went as far as to disguise himself as Shinichi IN PUBLIC to solve a case, considering he's supposed to be dead?
b) The Metro PD has Conan's fingerprints. On the files of a case related to Akai. Whoever may suspect Conan and Shinichi to be the same person, only needs to compare prints of both identities to confirm the claim; or maybe someone interested in Akai's case could make the connection by accident!
c) The whole thing about Shinichi's blood in Heiji's charm, when the one who was struck while wearing it was Conan. (Actually, it was kinda disappointing that this didn't make Ran remember the time when she blurted out how she and Conan shared blood types when she couldn't have possibly known that fact unless she considered he and Shinichi were the same person...?)
d) Amuro is interested in investigating Conan. He'll stumble upon clues sooner or later.
Spoiler:
b) That is actually a great chance for someone from the police to discover Conan's identity OR at least start suspecting there's something nasty going on - I'm thinking here about Takagi (or maybe Sato, also). After all, he asked Conan "Who are you?" in the elevator during the bomb case, he doesn't really treat him as a normal kid and he was the one who took Akai's case. Takagi may have some very vague clues (Conan the Weird Child who kinda admitted in the elevator that he has some secret + his cellphone being involved in mysterious men's death at Raiha Pass + his being almost kidnapped and the kidnappers weren't found + Jodie the FBI agent on vacationyeah right being involved in both those cases), but one day he might put two and two together. I guess the MPD has Shinichi's fingerprints.
IMO that would be interesting plot twist - especially now, when Bourbon, who investigates Conan, was revealed to have had some connection to this Date guy, who was Takagi's senpai. Maybe, just maybe there's some case brewing...?
Back to the passport - if Amuro hears about Shinichi being in London and wanted to obtain some proof (for BO - although I guess his words would be more than necessary), wouldn't he be able to somehow, uhm, hack into the airport's database and confirm that yes, certainly, the supposedly dead Kudo Shinichi recently took a carefree trip to London?
c) Sometimes I think Ran subconciously knows, but she just doesn't want to admit it since it's simply absurd and Shinichi appeared next to Conan in front of her. But I'm sure that one day she'll remember and it will all click. If Gosho didn't want Ran to have suspicions about the charm, he wouldn't have let her see Heiji give it to this policeman. Also I wonder if DNA tests will be involved in some case in the future, because it was mentioned in the first case Amuro appeared (and Ran's comment "so you can know who somebody really is, even if he pretends to be somebody else!" seemed like she was teasing Conan a bit
Just checked those biometric passports on wikipedia, they're available since 2006 so I guess it depends on DC timeline which is kinda... hard to define.
But normal passport is also hard to fake so I guess that is the main issue.
Don't know about Japan, but over here only adults are allowed biometric passports anyway...
Also, I'd be interested in a Takagi side-plot for sure. Been hoping for ages~ :x
And I agree on the thing about Ran subconsciously knowing but being in denial. Not sure if she *knows* knows, but I thought the bit in the most recent case about Yuusaku where Ran says something along the lines of "You're Conan, right?" was... interesting.
Terry Pratchett wrote:
The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it.
bash7353 wrote:I kind of always assumed that Haneda's parents might've had names.
i always thought she knew. i think opening 25 pretty much shows that when she puts his glasses back on and give him that look "it's okey, you can tell me when you're ready". i think those loopholes like conan's papers for school and such are such small things that even doesn't worth to mention, it's like when they say "don't worry about the little things" and people can pretty much fill those plot holes themselves using their imagination. it's not like there's a loophole that doesn't sit with other things that happened on the show.
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