TheBlind wrote:
Schillok wrote:
I know, DC is full of idealistic people. But would a normal person had tried to help that person? I can say one thing for sure: Shiho wouldn't have.
No she wouldn't have and neither would any normal person. One behavior all humans have in common is self-preservation. It develops in several ways such as shock/fear to prevent movement, adrenaline to encourage escape, or anger to stimulate fighting with the end result being surviving. You can't ask someone to go against something that is programmed down to the core and overrides logical thinking. The only reason,(I believe) Shinichi can "overcome" his self-preservation is because it never activates. Shinichi is the type to be full of himself, to believe he is always in control and his mind can run several scenarios quickly enough to know by the time his hand pulls up the killer, that he will be ready. That's why Shinichi can live his sense of justice to the letter because he has something to support and back it up(how Gosho intentionally created him) unlike the rest of "normal" people.
As for Ran, I'll play devil's advocate and ask the question, did Ran save the man that just tried to kill her because she is confident in herself to the degree Shinichi is(arguably, no) or is she actually conditioned to act that way
because she grew up with Shinichi aka "What would Shinichi do/Shinichi save the day"?
Similar how to the Detective Boys find more confidence in growing and learning around Conan. So couldn't it be said that anyone placed in the role of Shinichi's childhood friend would have the confidence and ideals that Ran exhibits to some extend making her less special?
Schillok wrote:
And I think emotional - which is the level of values and ideals - they are very compatible.
And it is not about the outer appearance (though Shinichi certainly doesn't mind that Ran is quite good-looking; neither is Ran how cool Shinichi can be sometimes). Shinichi/Conan also likes Ran compassion, friendliness, loyalty and resolve. And he accepts her weaknesses.And I think emotional - which is the level of values and ideals - they are very compatible.
To continue my last point, couldn't it be argued that Ran is just a foil for Shinichi?
So all her ideals that you listed are just something she "inherited" from Shinichi by growing up with him. Similar to how a child inherits the ideals of their parent by watching them and learning from the lessons/actions. So if this is the case, the real Ran can just be summed up in the traits that she and Shinichi do not share and that just only leaves a plain High School girl. Then you can go further and say that Shinichi isn't in love with Ran, he's in love with the pieces of himself(arguably, yes because he likes his ego) he sees being projected from her.
This explains why Shinichi has never been dependent on Ran more than Heiji, Agasa, Akai, and Haibara(outside of having someone to make him feel big about himself) because she has never shown him anything that he couldn't find within himself while the same cannot be said for Ran. Instead Ran just acts as something he needs to protect, give confidence, and keep safe from the shadows or in the light.
The recent "Ran thinks of Shinichi" cases do give weight to this argument(even if I dislike it as Ran fan). In the past Ran was so confident in herself and independent from Shinichi that theories like these would be laughed at, not anymore. It seems Gosho's writing of Ran's character has gotten so bad(yes bad, I refuse to believe that this is the true progression of Ran) that he himself has forgotten that Ran was never dependent on Shinichi, but only missed him and wanted to return to a normal lifestyle with him.
...But hey it's his story.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Shinichi is used to being around people like him. What he needs to learn is to understand people who aren't like him.
Ran only has SIMILAR ideals to Shinichi. But aside from that...I got nothing.
I also have to agree that Ran was MUCH MORE independent in the past. She also didn't let Shinichi control her independent nature. Now she's....well, just gotten really static.
To answer above posts:
Seriously since when did having a knife in any situation NOT become a threat? lol A knife is very useful for purse snatchers. In most cases, if the person resists, the snatcher could turn their knife ON THE PERSON! Hello! A weapon in any act of crime could be taken as a felony and means the person was in danger of being killed because there was a weapon in action. All apart of the art of crime and investigation people! Apparently, Ran didn't think a knife was so scary either, and let him run right past her.
Let's just admit that the REAL reason Ran didn't save anybody like she normally would was not because it wasn't logical at the time, but because she thought SHINICHI wouldn't like it. That is ridiculous. And yes, I mentioned the man in the alleyway too. Ran normally could've kicked butt as a way of defending someone else, which in Japanese laws are allowed. But Ran didn't because SHINICHI WOULDN'T LIKE IT. I mean, seriously? What if the knife had gone the wrong way? This is why she wouldn't be useful for Shinichi's career. If the wrong idea gets in Ran's head, she'll blow the whole thing out the water!
Aside, I really think saying that, "yes", they are not in college yet only proves my theory. But you're right I'll clear the financial thing up:
Ran and Shinichi aren't on the same page financially. Shinichi knows what he wants to do with his life. If he wanted to, he could begin his life. If Ran DOESN'T get married in the next year, what will SHE be capable of doing? Sitting around with daddy? Shinichi is just way ahead of her.
And it's not that Ran's emotions are way too much for Shinichi, but Shinichi's cool and aloof demeanor is way to much for Ran. Ran often can't understand him, which will leave some heartbreak in the long run. That's why detectives have the highest divorce rates...their careers make them stony because they are around emotions, rage, and violence all the time, that they get used to it and don't respond after immunity. Shinichi needs a woman who understands that kind of world and can handle his lack of communicating feelings and emotions, verbally, physically, and in any other way.
And yes, some men aren't like that.
Ran is the type of girl who believes in the ideals of life: the ideal romance, the ideal home, the ideal family. This road is the object of disappointment, which could cause Ran to jump to conclusions about where Shinichi is all the time, when obviously detective work often takes people far off, and for long periods of time. Jump to conclusions period.
Shinichi is practical, and though he wants to think of the ideal home, it's in a more practical sense. He'll often choose partners that can't handle him or his line of business. Shinichi is used to the ideal home so it's natural to want it. But sadly, it won't be good for his lack of insensitivity towards women. Inwardly, he is. But he has a hard time showing emotional arousal. Which gives him a sarcastic, dry, matter-of-fact personality on the outside. Because we are seeing from his perspective he seems more optimistic, but really he is dry and sarcastic because he thinks he knows everything. These qualities will make them brawl more than get along. Ran loves debating and Shinichi is stubborn. Ran won't take their arguments as seriously as Shinichi will, though he will hide it. Shinichi will often love women that aren't good for him. And just like his unconventional careers, he'll have unconventional partners.
Woo
Well, @Kirite it's good to hear from you too. Still proving your points huh? Well, at least I'm helping this thread prosper too, yes?
And try modeling!
, they might not talk even for a few days, but then one of them will compromise 
I said when it comes to Ran and his feelings. His emotions and his ideals toward love in general are very cool and aloof on the outside. Ran wants him to respond to her the way he responds to cases, which is not aloof and cool. But he doesn't respond to romance and love that way. And even if he does confess, the response throughout the relationship will be hindered because his job will weigh in on his behavior, whether he likes it or not. In fact, it already has. Ran wants more affection from him than he really will give. Detectives lack in it the most....almost as much as scientists...