Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 828-830

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I'm pretty ticked off that the jewel was in a fishless aquarium. Cuz I wanted to see Kaitou Kid freak out.

Sera's certainly got guts to do that to a police inspector. To be honest, my respect for her actually increased a lot when she did that. I know it really shouldn't have, but it did. (Actually, a stupid little part of my brain wants it to turn out that Nakamori was Kaitou Kid in disguise at that time, because for some bizarre reason I really insanely love the thought of Sera kneeing Kaitou Kid in the balls. Not expecting it to happen, though.)

Hoping that Kid's gonna try to collect the "debt" he seems to think Conan owes him from the train case. Or at least interrogate him about said train case. Cuz seriously, I don't think Kid would let that slide too easily.
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Kid disguise as Sera, less trouble fro him in term of breast
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Conan 48:69 wrote:Due to Bourbon's proficient in investigation, perception and gathering of information, can't he find out Sherry in Bell Tree Express is actually Kid in disguise?
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Investigation, perception, and info gathering all have its limits. Even if you consider Bourbon's skills are as good as people claim they are (it seems he's finally showing his expertise - he might suck as a secret agent, but noticing Conan is behind Sleeping Kogoro is pretty damn good detective work, it took him almost as long as it took Heiji to notice it, and Heiji is considered a genius).

But no matter how good Bourbon is, he simply can't deduce what's impossible to deduce; and I say it's impossible to deduce it because he doesn't have all the information he needs - and it's highly unlikely he'll get it.

To get to the "Kid was Sherry" conclusion, he'd have to fulfill this list:

a) Know Kid was on the train
b) Suspect Kid and Sherry were partners
c) Suspect Sherry had planned to deceive them by using Kid
I must disagree. For bourbon to figure out that KID played him requires only two things to happen.

1)Find or learn about the Mask. You might say it could be Yukiko's Mask, but Vermouth was with her and she never would have been where the
mask was found.
2) Learn from Vermouth who could disguise so good. The list will be three - Vermouth, Yukiko, and KID. As two of the three were accounted for, that leaves one left - KID

You might say well that mask was used for the video. But if that is true then, The train becomes a certain trap. After all why make a fake Sherry Mask and post that video? The chances of it being by chance are very low.

So if the video is a fake then again the chances of the Real Sherry being on that train are also very low and the most likely would be that both the Video Sherry and the Train Sherry are fakes.

But if that video was the real Sherry, then again we got the question of the mask. How did it get so far from the train and why does it exist. After that mask is found and makes it way back to bourbon, he will also question why the Mask exist, why it is such a good likeness. Then He ask Vermouth that question and must come to the conclusion that KID made that mask and was wearing it.

Remember the Holmes quot about what ever remains must be the truth.
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sstimson wrote: 2) Learn from Vermouth who could disguise so goeavod. The list will be three - Vermouth, Yukiko, and KID. As two of the three were accounted for, that leaves one left - KID
I'm mildly interested in knowing what word you intended to write there
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You caught me in mid edit. As times this computer eats my post. What I do is save the finished work and then modify the post to edit it. The word goeavod becomes good after the editing process as you will see be rereading the above post
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sstimson wrote:2) Learn from Vermouth who could disguise so good. The list will be three - Vermouth, Yukiko, and KID. As two of the three were accounted for, that leaves one left - KID
You keep assuming Vermouth would easily and readily blurt out all the information she knows about what's going on to anyone who asks. Hell, if Bourbon ever got to suspect Sherry was someone in disguise, and asked Vermouth "who could have disguised as her?", Vermouth would only answer "Only me. And, well, I didn't get blown up in the cargo hold, right?".

Why would she answer that? Because any other answer would compromise her plans and her cover. Mentioning Yukiko involves Shinichi, and Vermouth is protecting Shinichi. Mentioning Kid implies Haibara is alive, and that puts Conan and the Mouris in danger, and Vermouth is protecting them.


And you keep assuming Bourbon will find the Sherry masks. It's already unlikely that he'll even find one of them. I mean, where the hell did Kid's one land? And what did Vermouth do with Yukiko's? Who the hell knows. And clearly not Bourbon.
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Oh yes, I wanted to comment on Sera low-blowing Nakamori.

HELL YEAH SERA.

And... Can Nakamori really complain? I mean, yeah, she assaulted an inspector, but said inspector also commited an unlawful inspection of Sera and even made physical contact with her without her approval. None of the parties are exactly in the right.

(Also, Nakamori would come off as pathetic if he denounced Sera's assault of him, especially because it was justified and also because denouncing the assault would have no purpose other than taking revenge.)
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Nakamori would come off as pathetic if he denounced Sera's assault of him, especially because it was justified
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I don't see how or why it was justified.
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Nakamori would come off as pathetic if he denounced Sera's assault of him, especially because it was justified
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I don't see how or why it was justified.
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Me neither. Such a stupid behaviour coming from Nakamori isn't surprising since he's basically the MK Kogoro acting dumb and silly all the time but Sera being as dumb as him if not dumber is a bit surprising.
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I am in different with that joke. i think it just show how ballsy she is.
yes pun intended
anyway back to case. coke can thing defiantly fore shadowing. i wonder if kid hid in the rock. then bait the turtle and capture it. he may add hole under it for escape
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Me neither. Such a stupid behaviour coming from Nakamori isn't surprising since he's basically the MK Kogoro acting dumb and silly all the time but Sera being as dumb as him if not dumber is a bit surprising.
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Just because Nakamori commonly engages in misconduct against anyone who's cheeks come close to his hands, doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. He may have a reason to do it, sure; but if I recall correctly, inspections and searches are to be done fully informing the inspected/searched, and with their consent. Nakamori just walked up to her unannounced and pinched her cheek. What the hell? Nakamori is pretty damn lucky that Sera didn't decide to go full-on Jeet Kun Do on his ass before even bothering to check who he was, all the while screaming "YOU GODDAMNED PERVERT!!!" at the top of her lungs - had I been Sera, I certainly would've done so. I mean, what the flying pigs, who said you could just grab my face, asshole.
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I hope to be Case Kid This  the time    Amazing    ;D

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I want to know What is the message Which reached to Ran ?
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El Huesudo II wrote:
sstimson wrote:2) Learn from Vermouth who could disguise so good. The list will be three - Vermouth, Yukiko, and KID. As two of the three were accounted for, that leaves one left - KID
You keep assuming Vermouth would easily and readily blurt out all the information she knows about what's going on to anyone who asks. Hell, if Bourbon ever got to suspect Sherry was someone in disguise, and asked Vermouth "who could have disguised as her?", Vermouth would only answer "Only me. And, well, I didn't get blown up in the cargo hold, right?".

Why would she answer that? Because any other answer would compromise her plans and her cover. Mentioning Yukiko involves Shinichi, and Vermouth is protecting Shinichi. Mentioning Kid implies Haibara is alive, and that puts Conan and the Mouris in danger, and Vermouth is protecting them.


And you keep assuming Bourbon will find the Sherry masks. It's already unlikely that he'll even find one of them. I mean, where the hell did Kid's one land? And what did Vermouth do with Yukiko's? Who the hell knows. And clearly not Bourbon.
First That Information is freeable availible. If Vermouth says something like " I sorry I promised a friend I would not tell where I learned to do this. Then he might go and capture Heiji and ask about who did his double disguise. He might ask Hollywood who taught the movie greats how to disguise. He might even ask Yukiko herself where she learned the trick.

You made a statement that is simply not true. He might hear how KID appeared as someone else.  Vermouth might say that "Only me." But it would be clear she is lying under further investigation. All it would take is hearing or reading about how great Yukiko Movie disquises were. Or someone asking Who will KID appear as next. (Think about this. The Head Inspector goes around pinching cheeks to see it they're real. That will get out) And then If Vermouth did lie, and Bourbon found out about it, what then?

Your statement about "Why would she answer that? Because any other answer would compromise her plans and her cover. Mentioning Yukiko involves Shinichi, and Vermouth is protecting Shinichi. Mentioning Kid implies Haibara is alive, and that puts Conan and the Mouris in danger, and Vermouth is protecting them." Might be true, but as I just showed he could easily learn the truth.

And as for this part "And you keep assuming Bourbon will find the Sherry masks. It's already unlikely that he'll even find one of them. I mean, where the hell did Kid's one land? And what did Vermouth do with Yukiko's? Who the hell knows. And clearly not Bourbon"

Well one thing you should know if you read a lot of mysteries, is that clues that the bad guys was forced to leave and then hide have a very bad case of showing up. It is almost a certainly that mask will show up. The only way it would not is for Conan, his mother, or other types to find that mask and they make it disappear. Currently the story is not suggesting that. Which means a very important piece of evidence for the BO is just sitting out somewhere waiting to be found, and like I said earlier these kind of things have a very bad habit of showing up at the worst possible time. It will happen. Wait and see.

As for question #2, I doubt vermouth tossed that mask off the train, and that means she more likely has it with her. Again I agree with you on her trying to protect, and for that reason I do believe she would not just create another needle to show up. If she has not done already and if she can, then by now that mask no longer exist. That is of course if she can indeed safety destroy the mask. A nice possible plot trick might make that impossible and thus she playing a game of trying to keep that mask hidden, and it becomes more fun as now there are two mask wait to be found by the wrong people.

If you do not mind TvTropes, they kinda have what I am suggesting under "Did not see that coming" in Category #4 Unknown Knowns: It happens. Sometimes the plotter knows a given person, event, or variable is present... but doesn't see how it could possibly impact their foolproof plans and proceeds to dismiss it or mistreat those "irrelevant" to his plot, and otherwise ignore the sword overhead while whittling at the rope holding it there
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I bet it's Kaitou Kid sending message to Ran, telling her to stay away from carpet in order not to get her involved.

Why Kaitou Kid know Ran's phone number, either the cellphone borrowed from Conan back to Bell Tree Express had not return yet or got Ran's phone number from that cellphone.
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