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[secretbeauty101]

I like sarcastic persons. I mean, one of my favourite series is Daria. I can see how someone might be turned off by that, though.

Same, i like Daria as well, because her sarcasm has always been truthful, funny and sometimes with a hint of bitterness to it but that's what make the series work.

Sherry's jadedness is understandable, she's had a rather tough past which has formed her personality. And I actually like the moments when she's happier, not to mention that those moments are usually given a lot of importance.

And no, I think she's crucial to the main plot's progression.

And I also love Haibara, she's very funny, I understand why she is the way she is and all because of her past, but it gets a bit weary after a while sometimes because even her sarcasm can cut to the bone.

But how can you not say she isn't making it hard for the story to progress well when everytime conan discovers something that could bring him closer towards taking down the org she finds a way to prevent him from doing so for example the boss's mail adress, the tapes haibara's parents left for her and sometimes even her little side thinking about why conan is way in too deep with the Org and even go on to think that she wouldn't allow him to know anything more relating to the Org because its too dangerous. That just shows that there is alot of things she's keeping secret from conan that could be important for conan to take down the org. I think Gosho introduced Haibara in the story line in order to slow down the plot. Maybe her character's main motive is to prevent conan from getting too involved with the BO.

[secretbeauty101]

Why isn't Rye listened tho Kir is? O_o

Because its not really the same, I don't consider him as ever being a BO member since his main goal was to infiltrate the Org and take them down, I understand that's Kir's main goal too but she went back to the Org, Akai didn't. And the reason why I included Sherry in the poll is because she was a born and bread BO member that's why I think she should be in the poll.

[Kleene Onigiri]

Why isn't Rye listened tho Kir is? O_o

Because its not really the same, I don't consider him as ever being a BO member since his main goal was to infiltrate the Org and take them down, I understand that's Kir's main goal too but she went back to the Org, Akai didn't. And the reason why I included Sherry in the poll is because she was a born and bread BO member that's why I think she should be in the poll.

So basically just because you don't want him in it? :x

[Conan-chandesune]

Vermouth, cuz she's smart and hot.

[secretbeauty101]

Why isn't Rye listened tho Kir is? O_o

Because its not really the same, I don't consider him as ever being a BO member since his main goal was to infiltrate the Org and take them down, I understand that's Kir's main goal too but she went back to the Org, Akai didn't. And the reason why I included Sherry in the poll is because she was a born and bread BO member that's why I think she should be in the poll.

So basically just because you don't want him in it? :x

yes, its basically that.

[AICHAN]

Just look at Conan's behavior...he's too reckless,he makes many mistakes even if Bourbon is around him...Haibara knows how dangerous the BO are,and Conan's behavior can be dangerous,so it's not surprising that she keeps secrets from Conan.
And no without Haibara the plot wouldn't have moved faster...for example,the Mystery train case.if Haibara wouldn't have used the antidote to become Shiho again,Bourbon wouldn't have revealed himself.

I can understand that some people don't like Ai,but saying that she slow down the BO plot is not true in my opinion.

On topic:Gin is the best BO member for me.I don't like Vermouth that much mostly because she wanted to kill Ai even if she promised to stay away from her.And I'm tired of all the useless Vermouth fanservice.

[secretbeauty101]

Just look at Conan's behavior...he's too reckless,he makes many mistakes even if Bourbon is around him...Haibara knows how dangerous the BO are,and Conan's behavior can be dangerous,so it's not surprising that she keeps secrets from Conan.
And no without Haibara the plot wouldn't have moved faster...for example,the Mystery train case.if Haibara wouldn't have used the antidote to become Shiho again,Bourbon wouldn't have revealed himself.

I can understand that some people don't like Ai,but saying that she slow down the BO plot is not true in my opinion.

On topic:Gin is the best BO member for me.I don't like Vermouth that much mostly because she wanted to kill Ai even if she promised to stay away from her.And I'm tired of all the useless Vermouth fanservice.

<<<I totally agree with you on that one about Vermouth's fan service lol

However, eventhough I think Conan is too reckless he can also be cautious however big his ego is. Considering all the dangerous murder cases, bombers, kidnappings, etc,. that have taken place in DC so far then shouldn't Haibara trust Conan by now to be careful when he is faced with a confrontation from the Org. Why do you think he doesn't include her in their plans anymore since her usual reaction is 'no you shouldn't do that its too dangerous' All the guy wants to do is get his old body back and to take down the Org that made him like that but her cautious warnings are so off putting that it puts a damper on Conan even when he finds out new info or clues about them she has to be there preventing any progression with the plot. Furthermore, yes I understand that if she hadn't taken the aptx 4869 then Bourbon wouldn't have revealed himself, yes that's true but take a look at the facts, Conan probably already knew who Bourbon was for a loooooooooooong time probably since the day Amuro decided to become Mouri's Assistant, maybe he didn't need to be revealed to Conan but i understand if he needed to be revealed to the fans. Don't forget that Akai/Okiya has encountered Bourbon before when he was in the BO so he probably already recognised Bourbon from the moment he saw Amuro in that case in file 800.

[ProfParanoia]

Just look at Conan's behavior...he's too reckless,he makes many mistakes even if Bourbon is around him...Haibara knows how dangerous the BO are,and Conan's behavior can be dangerous,so it's not surprising that she keeps secrets from Conan.
And no without Haibara the plot wouldn't have moved faster...for example,the Mystery train case.if Haibara wouldn't have used the antidote to become Shiho again,Bourbon wouldn't have revealed himself.

I can understand that some people don't like Ai,but saying that she slow down the BO plot is not true in my opinion.

The plot is gonna be as slow weather she's there or not.

However, eventhough I think Conan is too reckless he can also be cautious however big his ego is. Considering all the dangerous murder cases, bombers, kidnappings, etc,. that have taken place in DC so far then shouldn't Haibara trust Conan by now to be careful when he is faced with a confrontation from the Org. Why do you think he doesn't include her in their plans anymore since her usual reaction is 'no you shouldn't do that its too dangerous' All the guy wants to do is get his old body back and to take down the Org that made him like that but her cautious warnings are so off putting that it puts a damper on Conan even when he finds out new info or clues about them she has to be there preventing any progression with the plot. Furthermore, yes I understand that if she hadn't taken the aptx 4869 then Bourbon wouldn't have revealed himself, yes that's true but take a look at the facts, Conan probably already knew who Bourbon was for a loooooooooooong time probably since the day Amuro decided to become Mouri's Assistant, maybe he didn't need to be revealed to Conan but i understand if he needed to be revealed to the fans. Don't forget that Akai/Okiya has encountered Bourbon before when he was in the BO so he probably already recognised Bourbon from the moment he saw Amuro in that case in file 800.

@Red: Oh no?, well then just go ahead and get a bunch of people killed, as long as you don't have to have you're mood dampened. It's not like he just ignores her except the one time ignoring her would make sense or anything (cough phone number). Haibara does trust Conan, she's stated just a few stories ago she placed everything in him finding them in the cabin but still had to change to Shiho. She has many scenes where she states the same level of trust in his ability, that should go to show how her warnings deserve more than he's giving her. Also, the show in their time is much slower than in ours despite the tech bumps, so to us it's slow, but to them it's probably pretty fast (given the weight of what happens).
@Blue: So then it was Conan's fault that the Bourbon arc took so long, if he knew and didn't do anything till Ai pushed their plan to move faster, it's his fault the thing moved slow, and only slowed so that he could bait his friend. The waiting the whole time didn't really help the arc's feeling of speed either, since we basically know Conan has everything in plan and now where just wasting time till he does it. Really both in the slowness in how the bourbon arc read and the length of it as a whole is all Conan's fault. But don't take my word for it, you just said it yourself.

[secretbeauty101]

Just look at Conan's behavior...he's too reckless,he makes many mistakes even if Bourbon is around him...Haibara knows how dangerous the BO are,and Conan's behavior can be dangerous,so it's not surprising that she keeps secrets from Conan.
And no without Haibara the plot wouldn't have moved faster...for example,the Mystery train case.if Haibara wouldn't have used the antidote to become Shiho again,Bourbon wouldn't have revealed himself.

I can understand that some people don't like Ai,but saying that she slow down the BO plot is not true in my opinion.

The plot is gonna be as slow weather she's there or not.

However, eventhough I think Conan is too reckless he can also be cautious however big his ego is. Considering all the dangerous murder cases, bombers, kidnappings, etc,. that have taken place in DC so far then shouldn't Haibara trust Conan by now to be careful when he is faced with a confrontation from the Org. Why do you think he doesn't include her in their plans anymore since her usual reaction is 'no you shouldn't do that its too dangerous' All the guy wants to do is get his old body back and to take down the Org that made him like that but her cautious warnings are so off putting that it puts a damper on Conan even when he finds out new info or clues about them she has to be there preventing any progression with the plot. Furthermore, yes I understand that if she hadn't taken the aptx 4869 then Bourbon wouldn't have revealed himself, yes that's true but take a look at the facts, Conan probably already knew who Bourbon was for a loooooooooooong time probably since the day Amuro decided to become Mouri's Assistant, maybe he didn't need to be revealed to Conan but i understand if he needed to be revealed to the fans. Don't forget that Akai/Okiya has encountered Bourbon before when he was in the BO so he probably already recognised Bourbon from the moment he saw Amuro in that case in file 800.

@Red: Oh no?, well then just go ahead and get a bunch of people killed, as long as you don't have to have you're mood dampened. It's not like he just ignores her except the one time ignoring her would make sense or anything (cough phone number). Haibara does trust Conan, she's stated just a few stories ago she placed everything in him finding them in the cabin but still had to change to Shiho. She has many scenes where she states the same level of trust in his ability, that should go to show how her warnings deserve more than he's giving her. Also, the show in their time is much slower than in ours despite the tech bumps, so to us it's slow, but to them it's probably pretty fast (given the weight of what happens).
@Blue: So then it was Conan's fault that the Bourbon arc took so long, if he knew and didn't do anything till Ai pushed their plan to move faster, it's his fault the thing moved slow, and only slowed so that he could bait his friend. The waiting the whole time didn't really help the arc's feeling of speed either, since we basically know Conan has everything in plan and now where just wasting time till he does it. Really both in the slowness in how the bourbon arc read and the length of it as a whole is all Conan's fault. But don't take my word for it, you just said it yourself.

OMG don't say that because I honestly didn't mean it like that:'( lol. Ok fair enough you got me there, but I still think that sometimes unless haibara has something useful to say then she shouldn't really say anything at all. Her reactions and comments in several places just makes her more suspicious (not in a bad guy kinda way, just that she's hiding a lot) that she's not telling us what she knows. This is another reason why I put her on this poll, her elusive personality is quite alike to Gin and Vermouth; like how heavily involved she was as a scientist for the Org yet not revealing that much to conan at the same time. It just frustrates me, I mean if she's got something important to say then spill it. Usually after the BO confrontations Conan would always fill her in on what's going on, although he wouldn't allow Haibara to meet Akai but that's besides the point.

[ProfParanoia]

OMG don't say that because I honestly didn't mean it like that:'( lol. Ok fair enough you got me there, but I still think that sometimes unless haibara has something useful to say then she shouldn't really say anything at all. Her reactions and comments in several places just makes her more suspicious (not in a bad guy kinda way, just that she's hiding a lot) that she's not telling us what she knows. This is another reason why I put her on this poll, her elusive personality is quite alike to Gin and Vermouth; like how heavily involved she was as a scientist for the Org yet not revealing that much to conan at the same time. It just frustrates me, I mean if she's got something important to say then spill it. Usually after the BO confrontations Conan would always fill her in on what's going on, although he wouldn't allow Haibara to meet Akai but that's besides the point.

I don't have a problem with her being on the poll and Akai not, Akai not being on stuff always makes me feel better. Though, I think the huge difference in her job to their's makes it so her experiences wont really help. The place where she worked was burned to the ground,  and the only real thing was the disk from the Pisco case which we don't know much about beyond it has ATPX info. A lot of the "not telling us what she knows" is probably personal. I think Sherry should still be here, but I was just arguing against the "she makes the plot slow" thesis.

[KainTheVampire]

*wonders who Vourmouth is*

Gin of course *drools over silver hair*

[El Huesudo II]

Haibara hiding her knowledge is actually a good thing, IMO. She always tells Conan he has to wait for the right time to strike and to rely on a solid strategy - it's only natural she's following the same philosophy.

It's likely that she's feeding Conan info at a slow pace on purpose, and it's a good strategy. If she merely dumped all she knows about the BO to Conan, he might make hasty decisions and get himself and those around him into trouble. By feeding him at a slow pace she's forcing him to bide his time and to be cautious. Not to mention that there's no guarantee that she knows all of what they'd need to properly advance against the BO. Making plans with incomplete data is asking for failure.

And, well, she's not the only one who hides stuff from other people. Conan doesn't include her in his plans; and when he does, he doesn't bother to tell her what's the plan beforehand. It's likely that she'd have berated Team Conan about the train plan (to say an example) had they shared it with her beforehand, but I don't think she'd have refused to take part on it, since she had nothing to lose and her reward was insanely huge. But back to what I was saying: if Conan's not a team player, Haibara isn't forced to try to team up with him. Plain and simple.

[Kleene Onigiri]

@El Huesudo II: You make it sound as if Conan started to not tell her stuff in the first place. But it was actually Haibara that didn't do that first. So if Haibara isn't a team player and can't be trusted, well

[El Huesudo II]

@El Huesudo II: You make it sound as if Conan started to not tell her stuff in the first place. But it was actually Haibara that didn't do that first. So if Haibara isn't a team player and can't be trusted, well

Conan started to hide stuff from Haibara because Haibara was trying to make him be more cautious.

While it's true that Conan's ballsiness has come to fruition most of the time (see: Okiya, Kir, the Bell Tree train), there's no guarantee that all of Conan's crazy schemes will be favorable to him; and, well, he has failed in some occasions, even being close to dying (see: Tropical Land, Tequila, Itakura's software fiasco).

[kkslider5552000]

I immediately vote for Gin. He is just fun to watch. He's just in love with his job and he's a fantastic example of the largely 2d villian who you still adore because they are just that awesome. I'd almost go as far as to say he's the perfect example of how to write a compelling villian without being too complex.