Is Gosho losing his touch?

[El Huesudo II]

If Aoyama-sensei decides to keep going this way, by the finale we won't even need to have a murder case anymore and the show will play out like Alias or 24.

I really really don't see that happening. Sometimes we have one or two chapters without a case of any kind but it never lasts.

That's why I meant THE FINALE. Because I really hope the finale is 100% dedicated to plot loose ends getting resolved and there's no stupid murder in the way.

[sstimson]

About the above comments.

Sherry appears and is wearing a Certain Ring
That is put on the internet

Those kind of clues scream that the next case will be on a train and the BO will make an appearance.

In a way Gosho boxed his self in.

No ring means the BO does not know where to go

Not on the web and No BO will show up.

Now to current BO know and in the open. To me it is just a matter of time before this threat is removed and arrested. The idea of a known Bad guy close to loved one. Conan must decide how to protect them. If there is a way Bourbon goes on a long vacation or land in the hospital for a long time. Either one could be a FBI and Conan cover story for why Bourbon disappeared. And yet he been arrested. If done like Akai death, could be very interesting. (akai is suppost to be dead but it is never said). Like wise Bourbon is either dead, on vacation, or in the hospital and yet again it is never said. Get ready for the Bourbon disappears case.

[ranger]

IMO, this arc had as much shock factor as any other. Just because Chek here is a master plotline detective doesn't mean the validity of the twist is any lesser.

This is a mystery series, not an action thriller. The clues are laid out before us, and some people get the meaning of them. That's kind of what's supposed to happen. Though sure enough, to any bystanders, this could seem like the series is getting predictable - but it always has been, and it's supposed to be. In a mystery work, we're the detectives.

As for the shock factor of the lesser cases, well, we've gotten used to the procedure. In other mystery/police series, this point is where the writers focus more on drama (like on Castle or House MD), or add different kinds of shock factor (like Law and Order: SVU and Criminal Minds), or resort to stupid stuff in order to raise the episode count (I'm looking at you, Bones; you too, The X-Files).

However, there are some series where the writers instead place the very structure of the show in the background and focus more on the plot (like what happened in the 3rd season of The Mentalist). That's what's happening right now in Conan: the plot has priority. If you notice closely, the main focus of the Bourbon arc is actually Bourbon, from the beginning and the whole "who could it be" thing (Chek you're the best), to the "okay we now know who he is, now what is he gonna do" that we're experiencing right now.

Judging by the tension level of the show after the Mystery Train arc, this case could have been a Detective Boys case one, to reduce the tension and focus on comedy again for a while. But it's not. Then, judging by the time of the year and the series's publication rhythm, this could have been a Hattori Heiji case. But, again, it's not. We have a case that puts the reader back into the tension zone: it's Bourbon. He's back, he's on the spotlight, and we don't know his intentions. This is why I say the focus right now is on the plot rather than in the cases.

If Aoyama-sensei decides to keep going this way, by the finale we won't even need to have a murder case anymore and the show will play out like Alias or 24.

after a very slow progression, GA is on the move. I hope that DB will finish quite soon, with an epic (non-rushed) final arc.. I'm just too afraid that 4chan or other entities ban publication of translated manga online and DC's finale can't be accessed to those not in Japan.

I believe you have the wrong idea of what 4chan is

hahaha.

[El Huesudo II]

after a very slow progression, GA is on the move. I hope that DB will finish quite soon, with an epic (non-rushed) final arc.

I dunno... I think there's a lot of stuff missing for a proper finale. The way I see it, if the plot progression continues as fast as it's going right now, we could have an ending around 2014~15. However, judging by Conan's popularity, it's not odd to think Aoyama-sensei or his bosses might want to try to pad the franchise further.

IMO, it'd be best to have a satisfying ending to the main plot soon and leave everything else relatively open so that Big Anime (you know, like how people say Big Pharma or Big Tobacco) can keep churning out movies and OVAs like nuts. Like, for example, after the final confrontation against the BO, the conclusion features a time skip of sorts; so that any other animated feature can happen in the time not covered by the canon ending.

[KnightusMaximus]

If Aoyama-sensei decides to keep going this way, by the finale we won't even need to have a murder case anymore and the show will play out like Alias or 24.

I really really don't see that happening. Sometimes we have one or two chapters without a case of any kind but it never lasts.

I think one could argue at least one BO section occurred without a "case": Files 599-604... and to a lesser extent Files 500-504. Well, for files 500-504, the case itself was directly oriented around the Black Organization's assassination and played out in a rather unobtrusive way to the plot aspect.

I'm not sure there was really any clear case at all in Files 599-604, though. We did get both sides figuring out ("deducting") what the other side was doing, and that was fun. Maybe we'll see more of that kind of stuff in the finale.

In any case, as you say, I don't think even in the finale that the mystery/case element will ever be completely eliminated.

[El Huesudo II]

Well, uh...

I wasn't saying that the mystery theme of the show would disappear in the finale. I was saying that I didn't want a case right in the middle of the action.

I wouldn't be surprised if the finale included a few files full of flashbacks just so that we have all the clues to the mystery behind the BO fresh in our heads before the last reveal. LOL

[secretbeauty101]

Well, uh...

I wasn't saying that the mystery theme of the show would disappear in the finale. I was saying that I didn't want a case right in the middle of the action.

I wouldn't be surprised if the finale included a few files full of flashbacks just so that we have all the clues to the mystery behind the BO fresh in our heads before the last reveal. LOL

I totally agree with you, when Gosho is having a BO confrontational moment its quite annoying to be slowed down by the typical murder case that has decided to invoke itself onto the plot right at that moment. As much as I wish I could remember every single case that has taken part in DC I can't, well not at the top of my head. So I agree with El Huesudo 2 that it would be nice if we had a flash back of the previous files detailing every single plot related activity up to then, especially since there's noway we will be able to figure out who the Boss is from the previous, I don't know lets say 800 files (or around that amount) then there's also no way we can remember every single 'name' that's turned up on DC, at least we can be certain that the boss's name has really turned up.

About the above comments.

Sherry appears and is wearing a Certain Ring
That is put on the internet

Those kind of clues scream that the next case will be on a train and the BO will make an appearance.

In a way Gosho boxed his self in.

No ring means the BO does not know where to go

Not on the web and No BO will show up.

Now to current BO know and in the open. To me it is just a matter of time before this threat is removed and arrested. The idea of a known Bad guy close to loved one. Conan must decide how to protect them. If there is a way Bourbon goes on a long vacation or land in the hospital for a long time. Either one could be a FBI and Conan cover story for why Bourbon disappeared. And yet he been arrested. If done like Akai death, could be very interesting. (akai is suppost to be dead but it is never said). Like wise Bourbon is either dead, on vacation, or in the hospital and yet again it is never said. Get ready for the Bourbon disappears case.

Hi SStimson, ok well I've read and reread, then reread it again and for the last time I reread your comment. Forgive me if I get a few things wrong because you're writing style didn't really make it easy for me to really understand what you were trying to say. I know you agree with the topic of my thread, that Gosho might be loosing his touch I agree with you on that note, maybe its because I'm used to the confrontation with the BO usually being epic, for example, Pisco's introduction, Gin & Vodka, Vermouth, Chianti and Korn, whereas Bourbon Arc wasn't as big as the previous ones. That's my problem with Gosho, that I think he is taking too long to get to a plot related case and when he finally does he doesn't give us much to work with unfortunately.

I understand your frustration and where you're coming from, like how it was so easy for the BO to find Haibara because a video of her was posted on the internet which later alerted the BO of her whereabouts, etc,. And then you go on to say that if the picture hadn't been on the web then no BO member would show.' Well here's where I'll like to cut in. First of all it was totally out of team Conan's hands that that video got leaked all over the internet. If you go back to file 820 you'll see its 'Mutsihiko'(incorrect sp?) who admits to Agasa and Haibara that he took the video and asked Mouri to put the video on the internet. And let me tell you SStimson that once your video/data are up on the web, well unless you're the site moderator or the owner of the account you used to have video put up, then its not that easy to take something down from the internet. The best Gosho could do was to have Okiya hack into Mouri's computer so that at least if there is a next show down between Conan and the BO then team Conan can be a little prepared.

However, when you go on to say,'In a way Gosho boxed his self in.' I have to disagree with you there. I don't think Gosho boxed himself in, in fact I think he handled that last plot related event quite well, not to mention its now helped to progress the story and to get it moving. Its the fact that he imo dilly dallyed a bit too much, taking 4 years to finally know who Bourbon is was a very agonizingly long time for fans who are keenly yet patiently awaiting his next file update. I think it was unfair of Gosho to put us through such a long time of waiting that when it finally came time to reveal who bourbon actually is the moment to me was quite anti-climatic compared to previous arcs. Some say that the Bourbon arc actually had more action and not to mention an actual BO agent is now also a very important and major character because not only is he from the BO but he has also managed to infiltrate on Conan's life, Amuro knows everyone that Conan interacts with, knows parts maybe even most of the police force, he has basically made himself a familiarity in Conan's world. Now, as predictable as this arc was, there was one thing I'm still quite satisfied about and that is the unanswered question, who REALLY is Bourbon. Knowing that he left for a while and came back, now what will be his next move? I really don't know but I'm looking forward to this part of the Bourbon arc.

Last thought, then you went on to say other things that I failed to understand. SSTIMSON let me just make this clear that WE the FANS can't DECIDE the STORY. ONLY Gosho and his MANGA CREW can decide. WHATEVER direction the story goes is fine, because OUR job is to read DC, keep supporting it, maybe guess the truth behind a case every now and then or even pick up clues related to the plot, THAT IS up to us. But seriously, if you feel like a very extremely unsatisfied fan right now then maybe you should take it up PERSONALLY with Gosho Aoyoma (incorrect sp?)

[Feb914]

IMO, this arc had as much shock factor as any other. Just because Chek here is a master plotline detective doesn't mean the validity of the twist is any lesser.

This is a mystery series, not an action thriller. The clues are laid out before us, and some people get the meaning of them. That's kind of what's supposed to happen. Though sure enough, to any bystanders, this could seem like the series is getting predictable - but it always has been, and it's supposed to be. In a mystery work, we're the detectives.

As for the shock factor of the lesser cases, well, we've gotten used to the procedure. In other mystery/police series, this point is where the writers focus more on drama (like on Castle or House MD), or add different kinds of shock factor (like Law and Order: SVU and Criminal Minds), or resort to stupid stuff in order to raise the episode count (I'm looking at you, Bones; you too, The X-Files).

However, there are some series where the writers instead place the very structure of the show in the background and focus more on the plot (like what happened in the 3rd season of The Mentalist). That's what's happening right now in Conan: the plot has priority. If you notice closely, the main focus of the Bourbon arc is actually Bourbon, from the beginning and the whole "who could it be" thing (Chek you're the best), to the "okay we now know who he is, now what is he gonna do" that we're experiencing right now.

Judging by the tension level of the show after the Mystery Train arc, this case could have been a Detective Boys case one, to reduce the tension and focus on comedy again for a while. But it's not. Then, judging by the time of the year and the series's publication rhythm, this could have been a Hattori Heiji case. But, again, it's not. We have a case that puts the reader back into the tension zone: it's Bourbon. He's back, he's on the spotlight, and we don't know his intentions. This is why I say the focus right now is on the plot rather than in the cases.

If Aoyama-sensei decides to keep going this way, by the finale we won't even need to have a murder case anymore and the show will play out like Alias or 24.

after a very slow progression, GA is on the move. I hope that DB will finish quite soon, with an epic (non-rushed) final arc.. I'm just too afraid that 4chan or other entities ban publication of translated manga online and DC's finale can't be accessed to those not in Japan.

I believe you have the wrong idea of what 4chan is

i mean FUnimation, sorry about the mistake