Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 825-827 "Tennis Mee

[Fennec]

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Well, I'm hoping it doesn't move too fast... I have a tendency to find manga I like right as they enter the final leg, and I'm REALLY hoping that isn't the case this time.

[Conan 48:69]

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I daringly predicting next issue Kaitou Kid series going to be the greatest Kaitou Kid series so far as you know it.

Mystery Train series is just a beginning of the real BO story. The appearance of Okiya, Sera and Amuro will naturally appear because of Kaitou Kid's appearance.

If Kogorou is invited, then Amuro will sure be tag along with his so-called Mouri-sensei. Sera's classmate Sonoko will go for sure due to Kaitou Kid's appearance and welfare from Suzuki family, so Ran and Sera will naturally go too. Due to Kaitou Kid's high attention, Okiya will sure secretly follow them, since Okiya is concerned about Bourbon. If Jirokichi invited Detective Boys, Haibara will go too or fake the illness because Bourbon is there. And Vermouth may investigate Kaitou Kid after his interference of BO capturing Sherry, she may disguise and go too.

If BO story is exploded in Kaitou Kid series, then the unprecedented development will be the main point.

[rrizqiw]

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Stop and I were discussing at #DCspoilers how Vermouth is gradually tending towards appearing in less clothes. I'm not sure how it can go more downhill from here, but I am sure Gosho will manage.  :-\

Speaking of Vermouth, I was thinking about the building she seems to be living in right now. Have we seen this building before in the manga? Does it exist IRL? Are other BO members living in the same building, or does the BO entirely own it?

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Next would be a shower scene. It wouldn't make any sense but fanservice never does.

Also, well, it could simply be a hotel room. Judging by the money Vermouth may have because of her two Vineyard identities, not to mention that man's wealth as well, it might be a penthouse.

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oh cmon guys. this is hardly fanservice. this actually tamer than what gosho actually does. we have conan and ran take hot spring together. Ai and ayumi naked scene. several panty shot. swimsuit, etc. sure this is fanservice but is not really much

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Using your phone while in the tub? What if you dropped it?

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well i think is normal for Japanese. they usually have water proof phone or use plastic bag. but certainly awkward for westerner like vermouth  

[Jd-]

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Using your phone while in the tub? What if you dropped it?

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You'd just lose the phone at most, really. A cell phone or cordless phone doesn't have nearly enough charge while in operation to harm someone in a bath. You can actually even save the phone in most cases if you dry it out quickly enough.

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well i think is normal for Japanese. they usually have water proof phone or use plastic bag. but certainly awkward for westerner like vermouth  

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Western people do this too--it's nothing unusual or anything like that. Some people are still under the impression it will electrocute them if they drop their phone in the bath with them and don't do it as a result, but apart from that, it's nothing unheard of.

[doublemoonlight]

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you know I really doubt that dropping a small thing like cellphone in a bath can do you no harm apart from of cause breaking said phone. Which I am sure Vermouth dose not mind considering she is rich.

[lol]

We have to wait for the translation to confirm this but

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It looks like Kotone wasn't wearing any gloves during the murder...as shown here

If true, that's pretty retarded. The easiest evidence you can leave behind! lool I thought that the twisted string was used to cover her fingerprints somehow!

Oh also,

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There is #DCspoilers?! Is that on Rizon?  ::)

[s.pel]

Here's a page 16 English scan (temporary but... probably close to our Japanese-based final version thanks HADAA!).

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It's surprising that Sherry, not Akai, was the reason Bourbon was hanging around Kogoro. Kir and Shiho had no clear connection before, unless something happened we don't know about, so I was wondering how Amuro came to that conclusion. Did he think Shiho being helped by Akai who is partnered with Kir?

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Isn't it because of what Gin said in file 504 page 8?

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Anyway, now we'll see how far can Vermouth go to protect her Silver Bullet, now that Amuro is suspicious of him...

[Cider]

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It's surprising that Sherry, not Akai, was the reason Bourbon was hanging around Kogoro. Kir and Shiho had no clear connection before, unless something happened we don't know about, so I was wondering how Amuro came to that conclusion. Did he think Shiho being helped by Akai who is partnered with Kir?

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IIRC, Gin noticed that the bug on his Porsche and the bug on Kir was the same, that's how he got suspicious of Kogoro and Sherry being connected (suspicious enough to want to snipe him, even), and let's also remember Gin's suspicion of Kogoro wasn't shaken off even when Akai showed up conveniently.

IMO, the files the BO has on Akai would likely point out how Kogoro, Akai, and Sherry are most likely connected (which, in a way, is absolutely right! They're just missing the very thing that connects the 3: Conan). If my hunch is correct, then that's the thing that motivated Bourbon to investigate Kogoro.

And now, he's arrived at the final step on his deduction: Conan. If he figures out he's the one pulling the strings behind the Sleeping Kogoro act, then that's it. He'll have solved the mystery, even if only superficially. Then he'd only have to dig a little bit deeper and find out a little bit more, but I don't suppose Vermouth would let that development go any further. Hell, Bourbon himself might notice Vermouth is trying to keep the Mouri Detective Agency out of trouble after a while. My guess is that a confrontation between Bourbon and Vermouth is totally guaranteed.

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I also believe that it is highly possible for a clash between Bourbon and Vermouth. It all depends on Bourbon's loyalty to the Org and his motives, however. We still do not know why he wanted to capture Sherry alive back in file 824. He did point a gun at (supposedly) Vermouth's direction to threaten her to drop it so Sherry could be taken into custody. Isn't she his "nakama?" The question is, what is Bourbon's real mission? How far is he willing to go to fulfill it? And what will Vermouth do to protect her Silver Bullet-kun, or rather, her own secrets?




and yay for Vermouth fanservice! XD

[AICHAN]

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This file is interesting...Conan and Ai are in danger if Amuro is starting to investigate on Conan.If Amuro stays close to the detective agency he will meet Sera,and probably the DB and Ai.

Seems like Amuro really was targeting Sherry from the begining,so Kir was right.I thought he was looking for Akai.

Anyway I think a clash between Vermouth and Bourbon would be interesting...But I'm only curious about the reason why Amuro wanted to capture Sherry alive.Maybe he was close to her family in the past so he doesn't want to kill her himself.


Btw I'm annoyed by all the Vermouth fanservice,it's getting repetitive IMO.

[sonoci]

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Using your phone while in the tub? What if you dropped it?

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You'd just lose the phone at most, really. A cell phone or cordless phone doesn't have nearly enough charge while in operation to harm someone in a bath. You can actually even save the phone in most cases if you dry it out quickly enough.

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I never thought she'd do more than lose it :x I'm just someone who doesn't have/can't really afford an expensive phone...so dropping it in the bath is like "F*** NO, MY MONEY"

...I'm the type that gets mp3 for $6.40, so  :-X

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oh cmon guys. this is hardly fanservice. this actually tamer than what gosho actually does. we have conan and ran take hot spring together. Ai and ayumi naked scene. several panty shot. swimsuit, etc. sure this is fanservice but is not really much

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So someone being naked is "hardly" fanservice?

...I don't want to even know what kind of fanservice you've seen :x

[rrizqiw]

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oh cmon guys. this is hardly fanservice. this actually tamer than what gosho actually does. we have conan and ran take hot spring together. Ai and ayumi naked scene. several panty shot. swimsuit, etc. sure this is fanservice but is not really much

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So someone being naked is "hardly" fanservice?

...I don't want to even know what kind of fanservice you've seen :x

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it is fanservice. but pretty tamed one.

[Borealis]

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I wonder if the org. from MK will appear in the next file

[Fennec]

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You know, I think the biggest thing against Conan in Amuro's investigation (just can't calll him Bourbon, it sounds more like it's for someone of Vodka's size) will be the newspaper article about Akemi's death with Conan and Ran standing over the body. He may know she used pseudonym Masami Hirota. If he finds that, his suspicions will be tripled, because that would make the second BO member that Conan and Kogoro came into contact with—especially Conan.

To be honest, I'm amazed the BO hasn't acted on that yet. Conan and Ran were seen standing over Akemi's body; chances are one of them heard her last words, and she may have spilled about the BO. Sure, she knew very little about the Organization and stuff, but she could have revealed her real name or the name of her sister, or something her sister told her about the drug, which could be disastrous if told to police. Seriously, it seems dangerously out of character to ignore that headline...

[El Huesudo II]

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You know, I think the biggest thing against Conan in Amuro's investigation (just can't calll him Bourbon, it sounds more like it's for someone of Vodka's size) will be the newspaper article about Akemi's death with Conan and Ran standing over the body. He may know she used pseudonym Masami Hirota. If he finds that, his suspicions will be tripled, because that would make the second BO member that Conan and Kogoro came into contact with—especially Conan.

To be honest, I'm amazed the BO hasn't acted on that yet. Conan and Ran were seen standing over Akemi's body; chances are one of them heard her last words, and she may have spilled about the BO. Sure, she knew very little about the Organization and stuff, but she could have revealed her real name or the name of her sister, or something her sister told her about the drug, which could be disastrous if told to police. Seriously, it seems dangerously out of character to ignore that headline...

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Gin did state that he still suspects Kogoro's related to the Shiho ordeal. Maybe the thing you're pointing out is the origin of his suspicion, who knows?

Gin, however, doesn't have what it takes to get to the bottom of that, because he can't even imagine Conan's the one who's against them (my guess is that he merely wanted Conan to get sniped along with Kogoro just because he'd be a witness to the detective's assassination). Bourbon is actually in a much better position to suspect Conan of being Shiho's rescuer, because he already suspects him of being more than he lets on; all he needs now is to link that to the newspaper article.

There's a big obstacle to that, though: Vermouth.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

You know, I think the biggest thing against Conan in Amuro's investigation (just can't calll him Bourbon, it sounds more like it's for someone of Vodka's size) will be the newspaper article about Akemi's death with Conan and Ran standing over the body. He may know she used pseudonym Masami Hirota. If he finds that, his suspicions will be tripled, because that would make the second BO member that Conan and Kogoro came into contact with—especially Conan.

To be honest, I'm amazed the BO hasn't acted on that yet. Conan and Ran were seen standing over Akemi's body; chances are one of them heard her last words, and she may have spilled about the BO. Sure, she knew very little about the Organization and stuff, but she could have revealed her real name or the name of her sister, or something her sister told her about the drug, which could be disastrous if told to police. Seriously, it seems dangerously out of character to ignore that headline...

I wouldn't be surprised if Bourbon already knows about the article. If Amuro and Akemi were ever a thing, or even friends, he definitely would have paid attention to it. It may have played into his decision to investigate the Mouris in the first place. Also, if he had fond feelings for Akemi, maybe they, along with Vermouth's promise, encouraged him to watch out for Conan. Conan and Ran look pretty devastated in that picture, the blood on Conan would make it clear he tried to save Akemi, and we know Akemi had mentioned to Shiho that she liked the detective boy earlier. If Amuro noticed/heard any of these three...

As for the BO not acting, this was pretty early in the manga when Gosho hadn't quite settled on how ruthless and careful the BO would be. Conan already interfered on the Shinkansen bombing, and nothing came of that. I guess neither the police nor the BO worried about how Conan heard a bomb was in the lady's luggage, even though it was obvious he was searching and harassing the passengers in only that one car. Conan also announced the existence of the Organization in front of a large crowd of people using Mouri's voice after Tequila died. The BO must not have been worried about the investigation or finding out what kind of condition Tequila's body was in. I think Gosho only decided on a more shadowy cautious BO when Haibara rolled around, and everything before that is a lot more "Magic Kaito Org"-ish.

The difference between the early and current BO pretty obvious when you think about how they follow up on various scenes or people in recent arcs: like the child who gave info to Vermouth about Kir, or the hospital.