Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 825-827 "Tennis Mee

[nanilola]

wow, a BO member officially out in the open, so excited for what's gonna happen

[Sato]

The police won't suspect Conan as prime one. Before he could Amuro won't having Conan being suspected. Took long look at picture:



The tennis racket was behind him and clearly was dropped when he released upon impact. Murder weapon is the vase, when his head bleeds. And the vase's size is half of Conan's, Conan can clear off suspect's list cos' the doctor can testify injured person don't have ability to hold without dizziness, the vase's weight can't be moved with child's weight.

Conan's exact height:



If the police come to site and examine the size and height, Conan is not on suspect's list based on the vase and height of the deceased. He will be claimed dead by fall of vase from the shelf.

[sonoci]

@Sato: Uh, actually I think that Conan would almost be "suspected" because of his dizziness. If you notice, the body is right by a shelf. Someone (likely Yamamura) could easily come to the conclusion that, because of dizziness, Conan walked into/bumped the shelf, causing the vase to fall.

Just because it's on the floor now, doesn't mean it always was :x

[ShinRan4ver]

@Sato: Uh, actually I think that Conan would almost be "suspected" because of his dizziness. If you notice, the body is right by a shelf. Someone (likely Yamamura) could easily come to the conclusion that, because of dizziness, Conan walked into/bumped the shelf, causing the vase to fall.

Just because it's on the floor now, doesn't mean it always was :x

If that happens, I think there is a 40/60 chance Conan strike back by tranquilizing Yamamura to solve the case, although in all previous Yamamura/Kogoro cases Kogoro was always the one getting the needle.

[fredinalnumber]

I'm pretty sure that Conan went to the victim's room by himself since he complained about the air conditioning being switched off when he woke up. That should rule out the possibility that the murder occurred before Conan went inside the victim's room.

I don't think Conan being in the room is part of the murder plan. Nobody knows if he would suddenly wake up and see something that could reveal the trick or even see the culprit. In the DC universe, the police usually trusts the statement of a 7-year-old kid, especially Conan, even though he just hit his head. Of course, he might have been drugged right before the murder but that's still somewhat risky and troublesome. I can't see any way that Conan's presence helps the trick since he was just lying motionless on the bed and can be easily replaced by another object if necessary (e.g. a pillow, a backpack, a suitcase, the bed itself) since he's small and not that heavy. If you pass strings etc through Conan's body he might feel it and wake up, or it may leave marks on his body or clothes. I believe it's too risky to incorporate Conan into the trick.

Therefore, I think that the murder is done from the outside of the room (instead of another possibility which is that the murder happened inside the room and then the culprit locked the room from the outside). The culprit is either unaware that Conan is inside (not unlikely since Ran didn't know about it) or was confident that Conan would sleep through the murder (and even if he suddenly woke up, the culprit is outside the room so Conan wouldn't see him/her anyway). Conan was awakened due to the sound of something falling (perhaps the vase?) and it was "freaking hot" when Conan woke up so the trick might involve the air-conditioner, but the fall would only occur long after the air conditioner is switched off. I can't figure out the trick yet, though.

However, assuming that the sound that woke Conan up was the vase falling, it's very curious that Conan didn't hear the victim screaming or something. The vase didn't even break, so the victim's groan or something should wake Conan up, right? I suspect that he was already dead before the sound that Conan heard was made.

And I believe that whoever the culprit is could not have expected Amuro's presence and his ability to unlock the door. What was their other option at that point? Jumping the veranda to take a look or get inside from the window, as suggested by Takanashi Noboru. Umejima Machi is known to be afraid of heights so she couldn't do it. Between Momozono Kotone and Noboru, Noboru would almost certainly be the one who would do it as a guy is more likely to be asked to jump the veranda and break into a guy's room. Of course they could ask Amuro but Amuro has never done it while Noboru has. I suspect that Noboru is the culprit.

We don't know yet if the windows are locked but assuming that they aren't, Noboru can get inside the room and eliminate any evidence if he needs to. The victim's body is made to be blocking the door so that Kotone and Machi would not be able to enter. Most likely he would just open the door a little bit to show the victim's body and ask them to call the police. Plus Noboru was scolding the victim about Uriu so there was definitely a motive. And he could have stolen the spare key from Kotone to ensure that he would be able to enter the room. But all these seem so obvious that I think I might be very wrong.

We don't know yet what exactly happened with Uriu but I'm positive that it's the motive of the murder, no matter who the culprit is. One more thing. Although this is a locked room murder, there's actually a spare key, which Kotone is supposed to keep but she claimed had been missing. So anyone could have used the spare key to lock the room from the outside, if it's necessary for the trick. In fact, I would be surprised if the culprit would use some highly elaborate measure to lock the door instead of simply using the suspiciously missing spare key.

Well, these are just my speculations but feel free to point out any mistakes or comment.

[sonoci]

@fredinalnumber: Hmm, interesting stuff. I still think my theory a few posts back is possible though, with Conan being involved. Not necessarily as an actual part of the trick for the murder, but possibly a trick for the alibi or to make it look like an accident.

The fact that he didn't hear anything is what makes me think something's up. If he were in another room when the murder happened and then was placed in the victim's room and awoken by the vase/whatever dropping, then that would be his testimony: "I didn't hear anything other than a dropping noise". To a police officer, this would rule out a struggle as a struggle would have woken Conan up. So Conan's role isn't to be physically involved, but to help throw off what really happened.

...At least, that's what I'm thinking. Otherwise...why would anyone commit murder in a room where a kid was? I find it hard to believe that they wouldn't notice him. The room doesn't look very big. And with the murder occuring before Conan got in the room...how would he get in with the body blocking the door? ...Unless the body was moved - which, in all truth, seems a lot less believable than moving Conan, who is much smaller.

There isn't much to go on yet, so right now speculation is mostly for fun.

[Sato]

@Sato: Uh, actually I think that Conan would almost be "suspected" because of his dizziness. If you notice, the body is right by a shelf. Someone (likely Yamamura) could easily come to the conclusion that, because of dizziness, Conan walked into/bumped the shelf, causing the vase to fall.

Just because it's on the floor now, doesn't mean it always was :x

If it happen it will attract everyone's attention, the vase won't be on the floor as the sound is loud enough. Conan couldn't possibly carried it up to shelf. And the vase isn't meant to put on shelf, it's murder case; and usually the vase is decorated beside the door. The corpse is in standing position, but slightly bend, if Conan's culprit the pose is crawling pose instead of straightening pose.

[sonoci]

@Sato: Uh, actually I think that Conan would almost be "suspected" because of his dizziness. If you notice, the body is right by a shelf. Someone (likely Yamamura) could easily come to the conclusion that, because of dizziness, Conan walked into/bumped the shelf, causing the vase to fall.

Just because it's on the floor now, doesn't mean it always was :x

If it happen it will attract everyone's attention, the vase won't be on the floor as the sound is loud enough. Conan couldn't possibly carried it up to shelf. And the vase isn't meant to put on shelf, it's murder case; and usually the vase is decorated beside the door. The corpse is in standing position, but slightly bend, if Conan's culprit the pose is crawling pose instead of straightening pose.

Uh. Not quite sure what you're saying now ._.?

Well, regardless, we're talking about what Yamamura/some police inspector might say/think about Conan, rather than actual theories. It's not all that important. :x

[Sato]

I was making theory, I have to wait for actual answer. *shrug*

[fredinalnumber]

@fredinalnumber: Hmm, interesting stuff. I still think my theory a few posts back is possible though, with Conan being involved. Not necessarily as an actual part of the trick for the murder, but possibly a trick for the alibi or to make it look like an accident.

The fact that he didn't hear anything is what makes me think something's up. If he were in another room when the murder happened and then was placed in the victim's room and awoken by the vase/whatever dropping, then that would be his testimony: "I didn't hear anything other than a dropping noise". To a police officer, this would rule out a struggle as a struggle would have woken Conan up. So Conan's role isn't to be physically involved, but to help throw off what really happened.

...At least, that's what I'm thinking. Otherwise...why would anyone commit murder in a room where a kid was? I find it hard to believe that they wouldn't notice him. The room doesn't look very big. And with the murder occuring before Conan got in the room...how would he get in with the body blocking the door? ...Unless the body was moved - which, in all truth, seems a lot less believable than moving Conan, who is much smaller.

There isn't much to go on yet, so right now speculation is mostly for fun.

Hmm... There is a possibility that Conan is part of the plan, as you said that Conan could rule out the possibility of a struggle. I'd also agree that it's highly unlikely that the culprit would murder someone in a room where a kid was, of course unless the murder was unplanned.

I don't find it likely that Conan is moved to another room as even if we assume that Conan wouldn't notice his body being carried out of a room to another, it's rather unlikely that he wouldn't notice waking up in a different room. It's not exactly a hotel where all rooms are identical.

One more thing I noticed about sounds. The door of the victim's room has been knocked multiple times not so long before Conan was awakened by the sound of the falling object. I wonder why he wasn't awakened by the knocks on the door, which I guess was pretty loud. Perhaps he was awakened by the falling sound only as he was getting restless due to the heat, and earlier he was sound asleep and did not hear anything?

Well, yeah, it's quite impossible to solve the case before the next file. And I do hope that we get some BO-related stuff here with Bourbon being there.

[Conan 48:69]

I doubt that, this is the exact tennis court they went to during the Suspicious Curry(331-332) case-> Conan mentioned the last time they were there it was raining that's a solid hint to the Suspicious Curry case, and when the murder happened Yamamura showed up. So it would make sense for Yamamura to show up as well. In all of the Izu cases(Night Baron/Mystery In the Net etc) there was no rain, the only case with Tennis Court+Rain is Suspicious Spicy Curry(331-332).

Ep 331-332 is in Karuizawa, a city near Gunma Prefecture where Yamamura is in charge. Now is in Izu, a city in Shizuoka prefecture, so it will be elder Yokozimo coming this time.

[mihai]

I think the heat factor was used as well to slow the rigor mortis, among other tricks which most said it involved Conan being in the room with the victim(planned or not). Due to the heat, the victim was probably dead for awhile, but it's interesting how did the suspect wake Conan right after the vase fell down and not earlier or later.

[neil0604]

Hmmm.. Very interesting series. A murder made with Conan asleep? These are the questions I have been pondering about when i read it.

1. Why did Conan go specifically to Ishiguri's room, I mean, they just got into that house and the host would've offered her room instead of Ishiguri's out of courtesy right? I suppose the hosts room is also air-conditioned.

2. Ishiguri mentioned he was going to his room before they made lunch, I assume that when Conan went to the room, Ishiguri was also there and maybe offered his bed, but again, I was still wondering about question 1.

3. Why didn't Conan wake up when Ran and Sonoko knocked on the room. Is it because Conan wasn't there at that time?

4. WHAT THE HELL IS BOURBON'S PLAN AND WHY IS HE OUT IN THE OPEN?! Did Vermouth mentioned Conan's secret to him?

Can't wait for the next chapter! Damn!

[Steffi]

Hmmm.. Very interesting series. A murder made with Conan asleep? These are the questions I have been pondering about when i read it.

1. Why did Conan go specifically to Ishiguri's room, I mean, they just got into that house and the host would've offered her room instead of Ishiguri's out of courtesy right? I suppose the hosts room is also air-conditioned.

2. Ishiguri mentioned he was going to his room before they made lunch, I assume that when Conan went to the room, Ishiguri was also there and maybe offered his bed, but again, I was still wondering about question 1.

3. Why didn't Conan wake up when Ran and Sonoko knocked on the room. Is it because Conan wasn't there at that time?

4. WHAT THE HELL IS BOURBON'S PLAN AND WHY IS HE OUT IN THE OPEN?! Did Vermouth mentioned Conan's secret to him?

Can't wait for the next chapter! Damn!

Maybe Conan didn't tell them that he wanted to sleep. Ran didn't knew it. Maybe Conan was going to one of the rooms and Sonoko saw him. Ishiguri saw him too and offered his room.
Conans concussion semms to be reaaly bad... Amuro is there and he is going to sleep... a bit strange.
I don't think Amuro knows Conan's secret. He is smart he would suspect that Shiho is shrunken too. Then the whole mystery train plan would be unimportant.

[ShinRan4ver]

I doubt that, this is the exact tennis court they went to during the Suspicious Curry(331-332) case-> Conan mentioned the last time they were there it was raining that's a solid hint to the Suspicious Curry case, and when the murder happened Yamamura showed up. So it would make sense for Yamamura to show up as well. In all of the Izu cases(Night Baron/Mystery In the Net etc) there was no rain, the only case with Tennis Court+Rain is Suspicious Spicy Curry(331-332).

Ep 331-332 is in Karuizawa, a city near Gunma Prefecture where Yamamura is in charge. Now is in Izu, a city in Shizuoka prefecture, so it will be elder Yokozimo coming this time.

http://www.dctp.ws/V78-Reader/V78-8Read/A4.html
However Conan mentioned the LAST TIME they were there IT WAS RAINING and they are going there for the Tennis Court, When I hear Rain & Tennis Court it is logical to think Ep331-332 first, however after rewatching Ep 72 which was at the Izu Mansion there was some rain in the middle of the episode so maybe it would be a Yokomizo case.

If the second frame on the left of page 4 doesn't exist your argument based on the first frame on the left would be flawless, but the second frame does and contain these:
Kogoro: With Unlimited use of the nearby Tennis Courts as well
Kogoro: Bet the Place will be overflowing with lots of lively Tennis Babes! Can't Wait!
Conan: It was raining when we last went, wasn't it?

The last time Kogoro went to a Suzuki Mansion with Tennis Court is Ep331-332, it was raining heavily throughout the episode, and Sonoko used Tennis Babes as a bait for Kogoro to drive them there. The only Izu case featuring the Suzuki Mansion and Rain(Ep72) it was raining in the middle of the episode(not the begining) and Kogoro wasn't there, so judging from the second frame on the left alone the hints leads to Ep331-332->Yamamura.  However given the 1st frame on the left and Yamamura have appeared 3 times in a row in out of MPD area cases I wouldn't be suprised if this is a Yokomizo case.