(SPOILERS) Questions left unanswered at the end of the train

[Kleene Onigiri]

Another Question: Since Gin thinks Sherry died, will he cut his hair? :x

[AICHAN]

Another Question: Since Gin thinks Sherry died, will he cut his hair? :x

Like Akai did when Akemi was killed?
I would love to see that!!!

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Amuro's promise with Vermouth is still unresolved.

[rrizqiw]

Amuro's promise with Vermouth is still unresolved.

what promised?

[User 4869]

Amuro's promise with Vermouth is still unresolved.

what promised?

This one.
http://www.dctp.ws/V76-Reader/V76-5Read/A16.html

[Auron]

Bourbon first appeared working as an undercover "detective" in the restaurant for that woman who got blown up, is being a detective his "regular" job? was it just a giant coincidence that he met Kogorro and the others and became his apprentice ?

[makoto]

will the org try tokill the kill know that he screwed their plan and vermouth know

[Conan-chandesune]

Bourbon first appeared working as an undercover "detective" in the restaurant for that woman who got blown up, is being a detective his "regular" job? was it just a giant coincidence that he met Kogorro and the others and became his apprentice ?

He had probably planned to meet them and the murder was the coincidence!!

[sstimson]

I think it was Okyia as Akai. In chapter 823 you can see Sera's hat in her room, later Ran said she found it on the floor in a corridor.  Kid closed that door because he was making to grab his glider and jump for it since they were almost to a bridge.

I think that very unlikely. Two reasons. Okyia is guarding Haibara. Remember Haibara is to telling KID what to say. Do you think Conan would just let Haibara be unprotected while the BO is there and in action? Second how does he change back? KID is flying away and Yukiko is caught at the moment with Vermouth. There is no only to help change him back, and I am sure his job in all this to to keep Haibara safe. Do you really think he leave his post?
If not KID, then it must be one of KID's helpers, that was there to act as a distraction. So KID has the time to get away. and KID can easily put on his assistance the Akai appearance. Beside if itwas Akai, then why escape and not remove a BO then and there? ( Wait for the Bo to escape and then arrest him). The way Akai acted was too OC to be the real Akai.

[Kor]

I think that very unlikely. Two reasons. Okyia is guarding Haibara. Remember Haibara is to telling KID what to say. Do you think Conan would just let Haibara be unprotected while the BO is there and in action?

Both Amuro and Vermouth were preoccupied, so there was no one to protect Haibara from.

Second how does he change back? KID is flying away and Yukiko is caught at the moment with Vermouth. There is no only to help change him back

Put a wig - like a baws!
Put on glasses - like a baws!
etc.

If not KID, then it must be one of KID's helpers, that was there to act as a distraction. So KID has the time to get away. and KID can easily put on his assistance the Akai appearance.

As far as we know, Kid has only one helper (MK lore), and he was preoccupied and disguised as someone else, so that's not a possibility.

Beside if itwas Akai, then why escape and not remove a BO then and there? ( Wait for the Bo to escape and then arrest him). The way Akai acted was too OC to be the real Akai.

Because killing Bourbon right there would have served no purpose what-so-ever. First of all (as I've said before), it could put Kogoro's agency at risk. Second, shooting someone at the train would have just caused more trouble for everyone else. Third, Bourbon just saw how Sherry was blown to death. If he tells that to the B.O, that basically puts an end to the Sherry hunt forever (or at least until someone figures out the whole shrinking thing or realizes Kaito Kid was behind it). Killing Bourbon (and therefore eliminating the witness to Sherry's "death") would just have been pointless.

[sstimson]

I think that very unlikely. Two reasons. Okyia is guarding Haibara. Remember Haibara is to telling KID what to say. Do you think Conan would just let Haibara be unprotected while the BO is there and in action?

Both Amuro and Vermouth were preoccupied, so there was no one to protect Haibara from.

Second how does he change back? KID is flying away and Yukiko is caught at the moment with Vermouth. There is no only to help change him back

Put a wig - like a baws!
Put on glasses - like a baws!
etc.

If not KID, then it must be one of KID's helpers, that was there to act as a distraction. So KID has the time to get away. and KID can easily put on his assistance the Akai appearance.

As far as we know, Kid has only one helper (MK lore), and he was preoccupied and disguised as someone else, so that's not a possibility.

Beside if itwas Akai, then why escape and not remove a BO then and there? ( Wait for the Bo to escape and then arrest him). The way Akai acted was too OC to be the real Akai.

Because killing Bourbon right there would have served no purpose what-so-ever. First of all (as I've said before), it could put Kogoro's agency at risk. Second, shooting someone at the train would have just caused more trouble for everyone else. Third, Bourbon just saw how Sherry was blown to death. If he tells that to the B.O, that basically puts an end to the Sherry hunt forever (or at least until someone figures out the whole shrinking thing or realizes Kaito Kid was behind it). Killing Bourbon (and therefore eliminating the witness to Sherry's "death") would just have been pointless.

Do you even read what I type (Yes I know (NO))

try this again

Not true (Both Amuro and Vermouth were preoccupied) Amuro is with KID ( and I think his assistance waiting to appear if necessary). Vermouth is with Yukiko. But do you think Conan (or anyone else) wlll gamble with Haibara by thinking Oh there only two BO on this train. There is no chance of any other BO hiding so there no reason to protect Haibara. Haibara, even though you are broadcasting and anyone with a RDE can find you, as there can be no other BO on this train, just Tell Kid when he is ready to leave and you can go back to the DB. There is no more Danger. ( And Yes I think that is all a lie, Conan would not do that, he would not take the chance of only two BO showing up. After all this is the BO prime target and They want her bad. Why would they only send two agents when they got a good chance to catch her?

You said, and if you go back to where Ran met Okiya, you would notice that it can not be a wig, as her kick would have knocked it off. (You FAIL ... Forever)

If KID has time to change appearances, then why not also one of his assistants as well, and again KID is very well prepared. While we are only shown one assistance, we know kid has more then one and there a good chance KID has more backup waiting if needed.

And here is where I know you did not read what I type. I NEVER typed KILL. I TYPED ARRESTED. A person disappearing during these kind of events would be normal. And another time I might show you what I learned about exceptions to normal rules. If necessary. The FBI will act on its own and arrest someone if they see the need.

And I disagree with your idea of putting Korogou at risk. The BO knows the FBI used Korogou once before as a trap. This case to me screams TRAP. The BO I think would not be surprised if a few of its agents were caught because this screams TRAP. thus no danger to Korogou. And If you think that is true (Sherry hunt is over because Bourbon says so), think again. As they are all going to be answering questions. Vermouth is going to see Haibara is still alive, and as I still think Vermouth tipped him off to Haibara showing up as well as Sherry, then he will also at that meeting will know the same. The FBI can catch a member of the BO and start asking them questions. BO is a threat to the FBI. Why would the FBI not take this chance to trap a BO member?

[Kor]

Now, now sstimson-chan, let's not be so angry. I did read your post, but you also managed to confuse me, I guess. (Your choice of words is.....well...)

You said, and if you go back to where Ran met Okiya, you would notice that it can not be a wig, as her kick would have knocked it off. (You FAIL ... Forever)

I find this statement extremely amusing. After all the crap and crazy theories you've said in the past, do you really think you should be talking about "failing"?
I wrote wig cause on the top of my head (HA, a pun!) it was also a point in Chekhov's theory (though looking at it again, there's also the bit of changing hair style and hair dying):

Akai looks similar enough to Okiya that a wig and glasses are the only props needed for his disguise. He could have also had his hair straightened and dyed as well.

I also said "wig" because in the latest file, Akai's hair appears to be black like usual. It might have been due to a smoke effect. Either way, I'm not the first one who says wig (so I guess those people fail forever as well, right?), and you are not the first one to counter that with Ran's kick.
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If KID has time to change appearances, then why not also one of his assistants as well, and again KID is very well prepared. While we are only shown one assistance, we know kid has more then one and there a good chance KID has more backup waiting if needed.

And here it seems like you didn't read my post (but don't worry, I'm not mad :3). From where do we know that Kid has more than one accomplices? Can you link to any DC file in which we can see more than one accomplice? Can you link to any MK file in which we can see if there's another person who helps Kid? (Akako doesn't count btw). Have you ever read the MK manga? cause we can clearly see that Kaito Kid is (mostly) a one man show (with the help of his accomplice from time to time).

And here is where I know you did not read what I type. I NEVER typed KILL. I TYPED ARRESTED. A person disappearing during these kind of events would be normal. And another time I might show you what I learned about exceptions to normal rules. If necessary. The FBI will act on its own and arrest someone if they see the need.

And I disagree with your idea of putting Korogou at risk. The BO knows the FBI used Korogou once before as a trap. This case to me screams TRAP. The BO I think would not be surprised if a few of its agents were caught because this screams TRAP. thus no danger to Korogou. And If you think that is true (Sherry hunt is over because Bourbon says so), think again. As they are all going to be answering questions. Vermouth is going to see Haibara is still alive, and as I still think Vermouth tipped him off to Haibara showing up as well as Sherry, then he will also at that meeting will know the same. The FBI can catch a member of the BO and start asking them questions. BO is a threat to the FBI. Why would the FBI not take this chance to trap a BO member?

In my defense, you first of all wrote "remove" (which as far as I'm concerned, implies "kill" more than "arrest"). Yes, you did write right afterwards "arrest" but after seeing the word "remove", I suppose I only skimmed what was in the "()". So if it shall satisfy you and make you happy, I'll agree that I didn't read every little thing that you wrote. Now it's your turn to agree that your theories about Bourbon (along with other stuff) were wrong. No one shall remain unaccountable for their mistakes!  :P
Anywho, is this a reply to what was written about your theory a few pages ago? Cause you still didn't really reference every argument that countered your theory. Either way, "this looks like a trap to me" isn't a good argument (and definitely isn't a proof). It also looked to you that Bourbon wasn't even a real person until the very last moment (and we know how that turned out), so forgive me for not seeing it in your way
I also don't really think you understood what I meant (forgive me if I'm wrong, though). If anyone in the B.O. knows that Bourbon went to be Kogoro's apprentice, the B.O. might come to investigate Kogoro again (this time it has nothing to do with the FBI since these were Bourbon's own actions).
Also about the Sherry hunt thing. That's just a game of "if" and "might", since until we get a confirmation about anything (or if we get), we don't really know what's going to happen. I'm just raising the possibility here. But if you read the case, you can easily see that it's in Vermouth's best interest to actually play with Conan's game and tell the B.O. along with Bourbon that Sherry is in fact dead. Vermouth doesn't want anyone to know that Haibara is Sherry cause then her secret might be found.

Just one tiny thing...

And another time I might show you what I learned about exceptions to normal rules.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUxsVVU2PyA

But seriously sstimson. I know you like to go against the flow (or....against what doesn't flow as well), but you don't even need to deduce here. Just eliminate the possibilities - the only person remaining on the train who could be Akai (and also happens to be Akai) is Okiya. You don't need to imagine nameless BO members, FBI agents or Kid accomplices. Work with what you have, and not with what you need to invent.

[HADAA]

Sstimson, are you seriously trying to argue that "because that Akai-looking man did not try to arrest any BO members, he must not be Okiya?", and "if that man is Okiya, he should have taken the chance to arrest Bourbon"? I'm sorry but that is the most puerile and hilarious argument I've ever heard.

Let's not forget the huge iron wedge Akai painstakingly tried to drive into the BO - Kir's involvement. By trying to arrest any BO member, he will automatically put Kir in danger. Now this Akai was smart enough to hide himself amid the smoke so that Bourbon would not clearly recognize him (Bourbon has seen Okiya's face before so he had to go back to his Akai's face). If you're still saying he is not Akai but Kid's accomplice, how could Kid who had no freaking idea about the FBI have been able to pull that off? And like I said, demanding him to arrest a BO member is plain silly, unless he really wants to get Kir killed.

Bottom line: The man = Akai = Okiya, and Gosho even showed you Okiya's eyes - same as Akai's. (and Sera's)
Conan trusts Okiya because he knew he's Akai all along.
Nothing else you can think of will change that.

[sstimson]

Okay I will tell you. But First lets show why this case screams to me TRAP

The Bo is looking for Sherry. Suddenly without the BO doing anything SHE appears with a certain train ring on her finger.

So the BO get on the train and she is there.

But There are a few questions. WHY did they let Haibara still go on the train even after the video was shot. After all such a video would almost for sure be seen by the BO and they would jump at the bait. The only I can think is the Good Guys were setting a TRAP for the BO. Otherwise there is just no good reason for Haibara to be on that train.

Now look at it from the BO side. The person they have been looking for reveals their future plans and the BO knows where to go and get her. But there are a few smart cookies in the BO, and they should question the suddenness of Sherry. Not only that but because of the ring they also know she will be on that train. Do you think some of the BO are going to see this is too easy and smell a TRAP? They must step in to the trap, but I sure they ( at least some ) know it is a trap.

Next A Canon case with more then one KID assistant. This is not from MK but from DC.

Note this Phase: My MEN (plural, more then one) And maybe be I thinking something is not there but for the trick to work and safely two men are needed, one to fly the copter and one to work the wires, while it might be possible for one to do both, it will make it dangerous for KID. It is like water skying. Beside the water skier there should be two, the boat pilot and a person to keep watch on the skier ( Check Chapter 456 Page 14,(Vol 44 , File 10)

Also If you mean the old Butler can he really do thing that would be required of him in the Teleportation trick? If not then you need a younger assistant. (Vol 61 File 4 page 15)

I hope you like reading long PDFs Usa and terrorist oversea

Go to page 1489 and read this about :extraterritorial jurisdiction. What that means is very important -

Extraterritorial jurisdiction (76) allows  a country  to  exercise jurisdiction  over  criminal  acts  outside  its  own  borders."(77)
Extraterritorial  jurisdiction over an alleged  offender of a nation's  laws  is often  granted under extradition (78) treaties
between two nations.(79)
Under international law,  an individual  country defines  its own extraterritorial  jurisdiction.(80)
The legitimacy of these acts then limits the extension of a nation's extraterritorial jurisdiction, with legitimacy determined by the
international community's acceptance of those acts over which a nation exercises extraterritorial jurisdiction.(81)
Countries often use the

Footnotes for the above page

  78.  See BLACK'S LAW       DICTIONARY     585  (6th  ed. 1990) (defining  "extradition"
as  "the  surrender  by  one  state  or  country  to  another of an individual  accused   or
convicted  of an  offense  outside   its own  territory  and  within the  territory  ofjuris-
diction  of the other, which,  being  competent     to  try  and  punish  him, demands  the
surrender");   see  also  General  Accounting    Office,  supra note    43,  at  54-55 (dis-
cussing the United  States'  use of extradition treaties  to  apprehend  terrorists  abroad
under Presidential  Decision Directive 39).
  79.  See Nadelmann, supra note       15,  at 832-36  (noting that the United  States ex-
ercises  its  extraterritorial jurisdiction over international  terrorists through  extradi-
tion treaties).

  80.  See   RESTATEMENT       (THIRD)   OF  THE   FOREIGN    RELATIONS     LAW    OF  THE
UNITED    STATES   sec.  404  (1987)   (allowing   states to  set extraterritorial criminal
sanctions   against  conduct  that  may  affect  the  states security,  integrity,  or  sover-
eignty).
  81.  See id. see. 404 reporters'  notes  (1987)   (noting that not all principles  estab-
lished under  extraterritorial jurisdiction  by nations are accepted  under international

In other words the USA an if they think some one is a terrorist in another country go and get them, arrest them and then bring them back for trial.

Hadaa you are also putting words in my typing. So please answer this question. Conan and company know Sherry has been exposed. They know the BO is coming to get Sherry. They Know because of that Train ring that the BO will know she plans to get on a certain train. They ( the good guys) know all this AND YET they still set up SHERRY as bait anyway. WHY? Why did she still go on the train? Why did not the good guys simple keep her off the train and send her where ever by other means? She has a cold so they could use that as an excuse to the DBs.
What is gained by putting Haibara, Yukiko and the other train passengers in danger by having her on that train if not to try and trap some of the BO?
The way it happened and if all those BO's get away will have been for nothing. All the danger will have had no purpose. Are you really going to tell me that Haibara had to be on that train? That there was no other way to do things? Remember No Sherry / Haibara mean no danger for anyone while on that train. If the purpose of her being on that train was not to catch BO , then what was worth that danger that they did do it for?

[HADAA]

You're diverting your point so I am not going to follow that. What I would like to debate about is "Why do you still think the Akai in Page 9 is not Okiya?" and nothing else. I do not care about whether their plan is to purposely put Haibara on the train to trap the BO or not, (According to Yukiko's original plan, they don't want to trap the BO anyway, they want to fool the BO into thinking Sherry is dead, so she had to be on the train but Yukiko would act as her corpse. But this is irrelevant so I color it white.) And I do not care about how you disagree with their plan. That doesn't change the fact that he is Okiya.

Please answer me: Why do you think Akai in Page 9 is not Okiya? How do you explain Okiya having Akai's eyes in Page 16? If you still think that Akai is "one of Kid's men," I'm saying that's impossible because Kid didn't know what happened at all (Page 14). I will not delve into any other questions other than this.