NBA Playoffs 2012 Thread Round II

[M.Holmes]

Tony Parker isn't, but Chris Paul is actually a better 3 point shooter than Blake. Either way, like I said - agree to disagree.

[Beastly]

Dude, Steve Kerr and Robert Horry got multiple championships as a role player, when you're open you take it... Even Michael Jordan once drew a play to get John Paxson in the Finals. BTW Heat got man handled and Wade was angry at Coach Spo? WTF. It's not his fault that he's having a bad night.

[Beastly]

I don't like calling people potential HoFers when a player has so much more in his career to either solidify or deminish a HoF status.  To be honest, a lot of people thought T-Mac could have potentially became a HoF, even with Steve Francis.  A couple years back, same with Dwight Howard.  I'm sure alot of you guys will be ridicule me for that now, but anything can change.  If Dwight continues to be where he is and how he acts, no way he's going to be in the HoF.

The only current players in the NBA who I believe are 100% guaranteed to get into the HoF is Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, Lebron James, Kobe Bryant, and Tim Duncan.  Arguments can be made for Ray Allen, Kevin Garnett, Dirk Nowitzki, Manu Ginobili, and Grant Hill.

You might call me a homer on this, but the reason I put Manu on there is, despite all-star and championships, he's going to get acclaim for being the MVP on the ONLY TEAM in history, to beat the American Olympic team post-Dream Team era and win the gold.

If you think about it, that's crazy..the only other team to win Golds besides the US was the Soviet Union..and, well, they don't exist anymore. A team led by Ginobili and some Argentine nobodies at the time beat the best players in the NBA.

also, screw KG, biggest asshole in the NBA.  Period.

Dude the HOF in Basketball is different from baseball, foot ball and others.  It's so easy to get in. But your'e saying Steve Nash will get in but not KG? KG= Defensive Player of the Year(08) MVP(04) NBA Champion (08) if he wins Finals MVP this year I'll put him Top 20 all time.

Reggie Miller? Chris Mullin? Ralph Sampson? Jamaal Wilkes? Bill Sharman?

Manu is a sure fire HOF though. Everyone on that list will be HOF because that's how bad the criteria for Bball HOF.

Ray Allen best shooter of all time. The only guy that might not make the HOF on you're list is Grant Hill but he will probably be in.

Heck even if Jeremy Lin became a decent player(Let's say 3-5x all star) He'll be in because it's the Basketball HOF and not NBA HOF.

Yao Ming is a surefire HOF By the way and what did he achieved?

[ranger]

I didn't say KG wouldn't get in, they just weren't in my like "I would bet my life on the fact that he gets in no matter what", I acknowledge his ass lol, calm down before I go "Anything's possible!!! ahurrr" and start sobbing

[M.Holmes]

Even Michael Jordan once drew a play to get John Paxson in the Finals.

I think the play Mike Brown had in mind was a long pass to Kobe in the back corner off a screen, but Kobe got swarmed and MWP saw an easy pass.

BTW Heat got man handled and Wade was angry at Coach Spo? WTF. It's not his fault that he's having a bad night.

Some would say he overHEATed.


KG, Allen, and Pierce are all HOF shoe-ins at this point.

[Beastly]

Oh Lakers vs Thunder will have back to back
Same goes to Spurs vs Clipps

But Miami Heat got 2 days rest without travel.
Also had 4 days rest before Round 2.

[Jd-]

As I said earlier: No one on the team has any respect for Spoelstra. He's not proven anything to them, so why would they? They need a coach that knows how to control the game. Spoelstra hasn't even proven he can properly manage the clock and especially not that he can manage a lead in the 4th.

[Beastly]

As I said earlier: No one on the team has any respect for Spoelstra. He's not proven anything to them, so why would they? They need a coach that knows how to control the game. Spoelstra hasn't even proven he can properly manage the clock and especially not that he can manage a lead in the 4th.

So just because a coach haven't proven anything you have the right to disrespect him? Tom Thibodeu(or whatever spelling) haven't proven anything but Bulls hired him

He took them to first place 2 straight seasons. Also tied the record for most wins by a rookie coach last season.

[Jd-]

So just because a coach haven't proven anything you have the right to disrespect him? Tom Thibodeu(or whatever spelling) haven't proven anything but Bulls hired him

He took them to first place 2 straight seasons. Also tied the record for most wins by a rookie coach last season.

Disrespecting someone and not respecting them are two entirely different things. You don't have to respect anyone no matter their position--it has to be earned. Spoelstra has not given players a reason to respect him (yet?), ergo they are not going to respect him. That's just how it works.

[Beastly]

As much as I love Spo(He's a Filipino) Riles need to take over...

Any way I searched Spo on wiki and got this

In April 2008, Spoelstra was named successor to Pat Riley as head coach of the Miami Heat. In naming Spoelstra as head coach, Riley said: "This game is now about younger coaches who are technologically skilled, innovative, and bring fresh new ideas. That's what we feel we are getting with Erik Spoelstra. He's a man that was born to coach."[11] Riley also noted: "A lot of players want the discipline; they will play [hard] for Spoelstra, because they respect him."[12]

I think he's gonna be with Bobcats next season.

[ranger]

Spoelstra might just be an average or below par coach, but you can't put the entire blame on him. Dwayne Wade is acting like a total bitch recently.  He should have been punished for that hard foul in game 2, but alas, the Heat are the wunderchild of Stern...

Tony Parker isn't, but Chris Paul is actually a better 3 point shooter than Blake. Either way, like I said - agree to disagree.

Come on man. Seriously.  You're going to say CP3 is a better 3 pnt shooter than Steve Blake?  Have you been watching the NBA for the past 6-7 years? CP3 IS NOT known for his 3-pnt shot.  If you look at career statistics, Steve Blake is a better long range shooter.  Can't believe you think a wide open 3 point shot from a 37.7% shooter from downtown is a bad shot, especially when Blake pretty much won 2 games in that Denver series with his clutch 3 point shooting.

Steve Blake's role, is to bring up the ball, and make the 3 point shot.  That's it.  He's a perimeter player with that sole purpose.  He is a specialist and a roleplayer.  How can you blame Steve Blake for not taking that shot? Please tell me, a better shot available at that time. And the funny thing is, I know for a fact that if he made that shot, you wouldn't be putting the blame on him.


There's only one person to blame for losing that game, and that's Kobe Bryant.  I don't see why you can't acknowledge that and still 'agree to disagree', what's going on in your thought process? You're argument is that "oh, well CP3 and Tony Parker who are good point guards wouldn't have taken that shot".  Dude, Tony Parker is a horrific 3 point shooter, trust me, I know more about the Spurs than anyone here.  Chris Paul isn't a consistent 3 point shooter and career-wise, averages less than 1 made 3point shot a game.  What a terrible comparison to make, steve blake, a 3-point roleplayer, to two all-star point guards.  LAL had a 5 point lead, and Kobe turned it over twice.  Kobe wins a ton of games, but he's definitely the reason why he lost.  

[M.Holmes]

Come on man. Seriously.  You're going to say CP3 is a better 3 pnt shooter than Steve Blake?  

Percentage wise, Paul is 37% this year and Blake is around 33% - those are facts. That particular night Blake was 1 for 4 prior to the shot, so he was only shooting at 25%. Those just aren't favorable odds with a crucial game on the line in my opinion and I'm saying he had other options - if he had done a pump fake on Westbrook and drove the wide-open lane for a shot that's 10 feet closer, his chances would have been much better for making the shot, not to mention the potential for a foul (even a pass in to Bynum would have had better odds). I'm aware he's a specialist but that doesn't mean he can't take other shots.

I don't even like Kobe, but you guys are crazy to put all of the blame on him alone. Even forgetting the final shot, Blake is still more to blame for the loss than Kobe.

Kobe: 9 for 25, 20 points, 4 assists, 4 steals, 2 turnovers

S. Blake: 1 for 5, 5 points, 0 assists, 0 steals, 3 turnovers

And the funny thing is, I know for a fact that if he made that shot, you wouldn't be putting the blame on him.

Of course no one would scrutinize Blake if he had made it, but that's a pointless avenue to go down. It'd be like me saying if Kobe hadn't have turned over the ball you wouldn't be putting the blame on him.

All in all it was an inexcusable loss of the Lakers as a team and the blame is shared among them.

[ranger]

Every single sports analyst in the world disagrees with you man.  Steve Blake may be 33% this year, but career wise he's 38%.  He has a good reputation for being a deadly 3 point shooter.  Why do you keep forcing yourself to forget the Denver series where he was critical?

Wide open shot for a 38% career 3 point shooter? I'm happy with that.

How is the entire Lakers team to blame? The Lakers outplayed OKC the entire ball game, up until 2 minutes left until the 4th quarter.  Kobe turned it over twice, causing OKC to come back.  Watch the video man.  Just watch.  Kobe Bryant is a huge factor why they lost.

http://youtu.be/ALb4FovJlAE?t=2m48s

Are you seriously comparing Kobe's stats to a roleplayer like Steve?

Anyways, if you can't fail to see why you're wrong, I'll drop it, but you're like the only person to think otherwise man.

Check out Chuck's, EJ's, and Kenny's opinions on game 2.

http://www.nba.com/insidethenba/

Watch the "Lightning Strikes" video,  under the 'Latest Show' tab.  No one should be displeased with Blake's shot.. just like Chuck said.

Regarding Blake's last shot -
EJ: " Did you have any problem with the final shot being taken by Steve Blake?"
Charles: "Not at all, he was wide open - oh no listen, if anyone's complaining about that, they are just stupid.  They weren't complaining about him making it last series."
EJ: "Yeah, he was 5 out of 6 in game 7."

[Beastly]

Choke Week...

Heat, ,Lakers and Celtics choke I'm sure Stern isn't happy.

[M.Holmes]

Stephen A. Smith didn't agree with the play either and I was comparing their stats to show turnovers vs steals.

Doesn't matter now though - both of my teams lost tonight!